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Alien Stage Character Analysis- MIZI (after having read the new comic)
A Very Subjective Interpretation / Impression
I came across a new comic related to this series, and it seems like people are interpreting it in all kinds of ways. As a psych major and enthusiast, I found it really interesting!
I actually had to read it twice to start comprehending exactly what feelings this particular character may convey: here's my personal thoughts and interpretations on Mizi after having read this piece.
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In short, what we thought of this character is not something that should be interpreted as a mere "facade" or "a lie" (it's simple enough to see, but I still think that should be brought up as starters.)
Rather, this is actually stemming from Mizi's self-depreciation that she couldn't be as sincere and helpful as she ever wanted to be. It's her desire for sincerity that's causing her these inner struggles and self-mockery.
Mizi seems to have had the feeling of:
āIām struggling too.ā
she tried really, really hard to be that girl who everyone could love. and I think she wanted to be that way not just because she wanted to use others, she thought that was what she could give.
This doesnāt mean Mizi wasnāt pureāitās actually the opposite. That kind of emotion does genuinely exist in her.
She can truly think things like āThat kid who slapped me isnāt actually a bad person,ā or āBeing with Sua makes me so, so happy.ā She really means those things. But there are multiple layers about her.
Itās not that sheās being fakeāmany of her emotions are genuinely felt.
But theyāre not coming from a place of being āsimplyā or ānaivelyā pure.
Let me explain it like this:
Outer Layer (Expression / Facial Features / Outward Behavior):
Appears bright, pure, openly expressive, and acts as if she doesnāt understand the full context.
First Inner Layer (Surface-Level Instinctive Psychology):
Actually struggling. Stressed. Feels pressured to maintain that outer appearance.
Thatās why when Sua says, āYou have it easy, huh?ā(The original KR text for this is "ķøķģ§?" which means "you're in a comfortable situation, right." The English version translates this as "It must be nice."), Mizi instinctively slaps her in response. Because it isn't that way.
It was an immediate reflex, stemming from deep emotional painālike āSua, even you donāt understand me at all. I thought you would, if nobody else would.ā Thatās why right after hitting Sua, sheās shocked and cries while apologizing.
and then she begins to think she's "cunning"-
Because, underneath that is the second, deeper emotional layer: self-hate and guilt.
Thoughts like:
āIām not actually as innocent, pure, and all-loving as people think I am.ā
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āDid I just survive all this time by manipulating others?ā
These thoughts are intruding in her and getting reinforced the more people die, and she keeps surviving in the rounds.
Sheās becoming harsher in her judgment of herself. The guilt and self-loathing are growing intenseāespecially because she couldnāt save Till.
In the comic, when she says to Till:
āI love Sua the most. Is it that hard for you to stop liking me?ā,
thatās because Mizi truly cares for Till.
Sheās saying:
āI canāt love you back the way you want. I canāt give you what you hope for. So why do you still like me? Wouldnāt it be better if you didnāt?ā
This is her opening up. It means she trusts Till enough to show that side of herself and be more truthful about what she can or cannot do.
Itās like saying:
āIām not who you think I am. If you keep liking me, youāll only be disappointed. Are you really okay with that?ā
By choosing to have that honest conversation instead of pretending, she didnāt want to hurt Till.
What shows here is that she really does consider Till a friend.
Even if her feelings toward Sua and Till differ, Till is still precious to her.
Sheās saying this because she knows she canāt give Till what he wants.
But when Till responds with something like,
āI just think youāre pretty. Thatās why I like youā¦ā
āhe probably meant it in a broader sense: not just her physical appearance, but the beauty he sees in her kindness, her heart.
A dissonance/disconnection between the two happens.
Mizi, who was earlier slapped by a boy who liked her for being āpretty,ā but got offended by her "pretending to be oblivious and clueless," hears this and interprets it the wrong way:
She thinks:
āSo even Till likes me because Iām āprettyāā¦ Thatās the only reason.ā
She canāt believe that sheās lovable for who she is, so the thought that probably hits her here is:
āAhā¦ I really am someone who can only survive this way.ā
Because everyone expects that from her, and because sheās already become that person in their eyes.
If she were to suddenly show her honest self, it would break all of that. Sheād lose her connection to the world.
Whatās happening with Mizi is that she doesnāt believe that the genuinely pure and beautiful side of her (the one that shows up in her usual expressions and actions) actually exists within her.
Because she feels so much guilt and self-hate.
And that is what she believes is her true self, ā THE TRUE FACEā as portrayed in the title of this comic.
Thatās why Mizi now sees all her past actions as:
āI was pretending to be pure to survive. I used that fake purity to manipulate everyone.ā
But the truth isāitās not the whole picture.
At the deepest level (3rd internal layer, her core),
Mizi really does want to love others, be bright, be honest.
Other people saw that in herāeven more than she did herself and appreciated it, and thatās why they loved her.
The way she acted toward Sua, Ivan, Till, Hyunaāthose were all genuine.
She always wanted to help them. She earnestly hoped theyād all survive and live happily together with her.
But when things didnāt go that way, the guilt overwhelmed her.
And now she believes everyone was fooled by the persona she āmade up.ā
That she was evil and cunning.
So now she blames herself.
But how others treated Mizi all along was a reflection of how Mizi treated them.
EveryoneāIvan, Sua, Till, Hyunaāreally cared for her.
Thatās because she did always love them sincerely, and that love came through.
Even if Mizi now thinks,
āI had such awful thoughts. I was calculating and untrueā¦ā,
the other characters would probably look at her now and say:
āOh Miziā¦ You went through so much. Itās okay. We don't blame you.ā
Her tendency to blame herself, feel guilty, and try to meet othersā expectations isnāt selfish.
It comes from how deeply she cares about others.
She's really that girl who wants to say, āThat kid who hit me wasnāt actually that badā¦ā
That comes from her heart. Thatās Miziās true kindness.
She really is a good person, with a beautiful heart.
If Mizi had lived an ordinary life, her outward appearance and core inner self wouldāve been fully aligned.
But in this series, the situation is so extreme that extra emotional layers got added on top of all that
That doesnāt mean she lacks kindness or her usual cheery brightness.
You know those super cheerful moments in the previous videos or comicsā
the ones where Mizi looks carefree and innocent?
That is her true nature.
Itās just that, even while she looks that way, sheās also holding a lot of thoughts and feelings inside. It can happen at the same time.
Whether consciously or unconsciously, sheās carried those burdens.
And if she had lived in a world where she didnāt have to carry them, those layers might never have formed.
Thatās how I interpret it.
Oh, and that one picture where Mizi is smiling over the bodies of the other characters you can find in VIVINO'S youtube channelā
Thatās displaying her inner self-hatred and despair.
If everyone else had survived, she wouldāve been so much happier.
But she survived alone in that horrible situation.
So now she thinks:
āIām the only one who survived? Wow, look at you. Good job. You got what you wanted by using everyone else, didnāt you?ā
Sheās turning that blame inward.
Sheās labeling herself as cruel.
It might be a kind of psychological defense or rationalization, but ultimately itās because sheās suffering.
Of course she isā¦
If someone came back alive and told her:
āYou didnāt survive because you were cunning. You survived because we loved you, just as much as you loved us.ā
Then I think Mizi could start to heal.
But that hasnāt happenedāso she canāt.
I really wonder whatāll happen to her...;
Mizi is someone who wants to be kind and deeply understanding.
Her ideals are highā
she wants to love everyone, be good to everyone, to not feel hatred, give whatever she can. Her desires do lie in those kindness.
But because she canāt reach those ideals, she thinks sheās a bad person and blames herself. That's what's being portrayed in that particular comic. She's someone who's struggling to be kind and is currently devaluing herself from the mismatch between her ideals and her reality. She deserves to be happy, like everyone else in this series does. And forgive herself regarding what's happened at that, because what's happened is so far from her fault.
DELTARUNE: A Masochistic Reading of Noelle Holiday and Trends of Masochistic Invalidation
(MASSIVE SPOILERS for all of Deltarune!)
To preface beforehandā¦ everything Iām about to discuss is purely from my own reading, observations, research, and knowledge from friends within alternative communities (S&M and kink) while having very little personal experience with those communities myself.
If this makes everything Iām about to discuss feel fraudulent, you are valid for assuming so.
Frankly, Iāve been musing over whether I should even be the person writing this analysis. But as a fan of the Deltarune community and especially this character, I felt as if this topic has been disappointingly under-discussed, and I wanted to put any of my pennies into this bucket in hopes of finding those voices.
If anyone with real knowledge and lives within these communities happens to read this and finds any of my observations off-base, please inform me in this postās replies or tumblr asks. I yearn for more analysis on this topic and this character from your voices instead.
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Last week... uh, wait 2 weeks ago (shit), I asked this kinda out of nowhere:
āIs Noelle Holiday a masochist?ā
My answer? Yes!
ā¦ but I want to rephrase the question slightly. Noelle is a minor, so linking her to masochism, even when specifically talking about S&M relationship dynamics and not the physical act of S&M is pretty touchy.Ā
Instead, let me rephrase it this way:
āWhat observations can we gather from Noelleās arc under a masochistic reading?ā
I donāt think I have to elaborate that Noelle, at the very least, has masochistic tendencies. All of her wiki pages say it, fan communities make constant jokes about it, and thanks to the voters last week, I know a decent majority also agree.
thanks everybody!
So why the heck am I talking about this like some big deal if this is mostly agreed upon?
Iāve combed across tons of Noelle analysis from psychological profiles, her metatextual relevance to Deltarune, the shipping wars, etc. Iāve scoured quite a bit ever since Ch 2ā¦ yes, for that long.
And to speak franklyā¦ I think a lot of fans arenāt willing to take Noelleās masochism seriously.
Not just in the āoh isnāt it funny that she wants to be stepped onā kinda way (though those memes are still very funny), but sometimes in a āNoelleās masochism is a character-flawā sort of way.Ā
And I have some concerns that Iāll get into later...
(btw, Iām only linking comments that are genuinely in good faith in this post, Iād rather not draw attention to the malicious ones.)
Hereās my piece: I donāt think Noelle is down bad just for the fun of making thirst jokes, I strongly believe that Noelle was explicitly written to be a repressed adolescent exploring her masochistic tendencies.Ā
Originally, when I finished Chapter 2, I had many thoughts on the Weird Route that I couldnāt quite put into a sensitive reading because I had no concept of masochism as both a real kink and especially not for artistic analysis.
But since those 4 years, Iāve gotten a bit more familiar with queer communities Iāve only started to see more and more things I hadnāt before.
Letās check out two major introspective moments from Chapter 2 again:
Ferris Wheel dialogue:
Noelle and Kris below the City:
The reasons for where masochism comes from are varied, and I want to be very careful with making any oversimplificationsā¦ but manā¦
Noelleās background and the specific way she words her introspective thoughts sound remarkably familiar.
Letās go over Noelleās traits one by one and connect them to common sentiments shared about the appeal of S&M dynamics (not the sexual activity but the more relationships between them) and the psychology of its participants:
"At first, I cried, but nowā¦ itās likeā¦ watching themā¦ makes me feelā¦ comforted?"
"Itās scary, but I can just turn it off, right? Now itās mostlyā¦ people, that are scary. Haha."
Noelle seeks out extreme stimuli like being scared from horror movies, pranks, and deep diving disturbing video game secrets.
Noelle expresses that the reason she loves these situations is because she knows that they arenāt real and that by the end of them, sheāll be ok.
S&M and kink participants create āscenesā in which people act out extreme, specific scenarios not simply to blindly experience pain or intensity, but to willingly engage in a fictitious version of their desires that in real cases would be dangerous to be in.
"I know we never found anything interesting back thereā¦ I mostly rememberā¦ crying because I was scared."
"But for some reason I feelā¦ nostalgic thinking about it... I guess I didnāt mind being scared if it meantā¦ someone would comfort me."
Noelle also associates fear with a source of nostalgic comfort. This stems from long-gone days where she would frequently be scared, then comforted by someone she loves at the end of these experiences.
There are many cases of masochists seeking out scenes that are reminiscent of the punishment they had received in the past.
Some even being re-enactments of deeply traumatic experiences, only this time, THEY CHOOSE to relive it with someone compassionate and will stop when they say so. (this is where safe words come from)
"(Sigh. Kris is the only one who knows how weird I am. It's not fair y'know?! Everyone knows how weird YOU are!)
Noelle lives with a lot of self-loathing and powerlessness in an emotionally neglectful household where she needs to hide her feelings and interests from her mother constantly.
Many masochists grew up in religious or puritanical households that forced them to bottle up their feelings.
Some of these feelings transform into a sadism that is turned inward as a way to punish themselves for failing the expectations their environment placed on them.
"Youāre theā¦ good kind of scary. You arenāt afraid toā¦ break the rules, yāknow?"
"ā¦ I wish I could do crazy stuff like you."
Noelle spends an exhaustive amount of time helping other people, despite the emotional baggage she already holds.
In moments of introspection, Noelle tends to beat herself up internally about being incapable of rebelling and seeking adventure on her own.
While researching this topic, I came across a lot of beautifully written comments from people who expressed that masochism was a way to achieve freedom from themselves.
By having someone else occupy their thoughts, they were free from their own intrusive thoughts, from controlling their own bodily sensations, and to have to stop worrying about themselves for a fleeting moment.Ā
While there are situations where Noelle will often confuse her boundaries and let people walk over her, sheās still at her happiest and most fulfilled when assisting people who genuinely appreciate her.
One of the biggest emotional appeals of masochists creating scenes for others, is a pride in serving as a conduit for other people to explore reactions that they werenāt allowed to share with anyone else beforehand.
And I havenāt even mentioned Susie yet!
Noelle fantasizes āscenesā with Susie, even to a degree that when she witnesses Susieās bullying as an outsider, even to her childhood friend, she wishes she could be the one taking the humiliation instead.
Noelle is into people like Susie for a very specific quality.
A person she considers āthe good kind of scaryā. Someone who is fiercely independent, who uses intimidation as an act, but comes out as emotional and kind-hearted when simply talked to.
And hell, for the Kriselle or the Krusielle crowd, Noelle seems to find these same qualities in Kris as well.
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Their entire childhood relationship was based on similar foundations.
Kris used to scare Noelle through play-tearing out their heart, jumpscaring her from under her sheets, and covering themselves in blood like a zombie. A majority of these pranks were done innocently, and if any were to go too far, Kris would apologize or protect her from real danger.
Even if Noelle doesnāt have romantic feelings for Kris, they undeniably played a big role in forming experiences that Noelle now associates with companionship and desire.
Real practices of S&M or sadomasochism arenāt about inflicting/experiencing pain just for the sake of it.
The point is to create a consensual relationship with the awareness that they ultimately have control over whatever is done to them.
All parties in an S&M dynamic MUST trust each other to only go as far as they need to.
Itās consent from all parties that makes the relationship legitimate.
This is the most important fact to keep in mind moving forward. Remember this.
If youāve read up to this point, I imagine (hopefully) this all sounds plenty reasonableā¦ exceptā¦
At the cost of undermining everything I typed up beforehandā¦
Again, itās tricky to just label Noelle as a masochist and call it a day because sheās a teenager.Ā
Teenagers are famously incapable of understanding themselves, second-guessing their identities and orientations constantly. Itās still a developmental phase. Noelle is especially more emotionally stunted because her home life thrives on her masking through a jolly smile.
Sheās barely had the chance to figure out or commit to her interests, so thereās no way to tell if sheāll still like these things or even still like Susie if they ever get into a serious relationship.
Soā¦ I just owned myself, right? Essay over?
Wellā¦ I have more evidence, but unfortunately, weāre going to have to get into the weird route. Where, unfortunately, these traits are far more obvious.
While this next part might be a tough read, I implore you to sit through as I think some of the MOST important messages of this reading are attained in this route.
(Content Warning: Topics of real-life abuse and toxic power dynamics.)
To me, the most disturbing aspect of the Weird Route isnāt the mass murder, it being the path to an alternative, darker ending, or even Noelle becoming a second player vessel or whatever.
Instead, it's the raw portrayal of an abusive romantic relationship.
When combined with the reading Iāve been using for Noelle so farā¦
In an extremely twisted way, the Weird Route acts as a sadomasochistic awakening for Noelle. And by selecting very specific options, the Player conditions her existing tendencies to make her unable to distinguish between consent and abuse.
Letās look over the details:
While Noelle ABSOLUTELY DOES NOT ENJOY THE PLAYERāS ABUSE OF HER, she seems to increasingly become more and more willing to inflict harm on Darkners with the justification that doing so will make her more independent.
All with a frozen smile on her face that only breaks when encountering Berdly.
While sadism and masochism are different in definition, a lot of masochism is defined to be sadism inflicted onto oneself.
One reason for masochism I cited earlier is that some people desire pain and punishment because they feel like they deserve it.
In this case, I feel as if Noelle is redirecting the sadism inflicted onto herself onto the Cyber City mobs once the Player has convinced her that this is all just a game.
Throughout Ch 2ās Weird Route, Noelle is subject to so much stress that she enters a trance-like state where she surrenders her mind, her memories, and even her physical sensations to our commands. In spite of everything, she interprets her predicament as freeing.
āTo some, masochism was a way to achieve freedom from themselves. By having someone else control them, they were free from intrusive thoughts, from controlling their own bodily sensations, and to have to stop worrying about themselves for a fleeting moment.ā
While freezing enemies on the way, you need to take Noelle to Spamtonās door, which she excitedly calls creepyā¦ but also nostalgic. Itās very likely she is remembering the times she, Kris, Asriel, and Dess used to explore scary places together.
Again, some masochists seek out scenes that depict traumatic memories as a way of re-living them with a higher degree of control over those events.
Noelle says that on each of these adventures, she would usually just cry and run away, but on the Weird Route, SHE is the one literally breaking the rules of the world and deciding the course of events.
Post Snowgrave, Kris returns to her to apologize. Then promises that none of it will happen again and to stay away. Instead, Noelle obsesses over Kris all day, even seeing her crush on Susie, as secondary. When they finally get to talk again, they both start at the end of a long couch, but as the conversation progresses, Noelle tenderly scoots all the way over to lean on Krisā¦ despite them being the physical entity that she had just experienced a day of pain, trauma, and abuse from.Ā
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Okā¦ let me cut off from the disturbing shit for just a secondā¦
ā¦And tangent onto something else I find very kinda disturbing.
Letās talk about the weird ways anti-Suselle discussion incidentally or even purposely delegitimizes Noelleās crush BECAUSE of her masochistic fantasies.
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Iām not waging a shipping war here! Itās fine if Suselle isnāt your cup of tea, and strictly writing-related reasons are all valid. But I gotta go over some of the weirder sentiments Iāve run into during the agonizing post-Ch 2 era.
āHow can Noelle still be into Susie knowing all the red flags? She even saw Kris get bullied badly and did nothing!ā
āNoelle barely knows Susie, what if she got into serious trouble by ending up with a rotten person?ā
āNoelle is unhealthily obsessed with Susie, itās almost dehumanizing how so much of her attraction is based off of humiliation fantasies.ā
āDoes Noelle even like Susie or just the idea of her?ā
Hereās the thingā¦ I actually donāt disagree with these comments in a broad sense.
Itās true that Noelle is already a very defenseless, self-sabotaging person who is seeking out a dangerous girl. A bully whom most of her classmates are terrified of being approached by.
Itās also true that Noelle knows so little about the real Susie that a lot of her expectations are definitely idealized.Ā
Susieās bully persona was always a facade to keep other people away. And now that sheās become comfortable, no longer needing to use itā¦ itās reasonable to wonder if Noelle might have the wrong idea about Susie.
However, I feel like some of these sentiments, even if Iām certain 90% of are just out of goodwill and protectiveness for Noelleās sake. The Deltarune community is dominated with queer support and I donāt mean to imply the community or these comments are bigoted.
However, I think a lack of sensitivity in addressing masochistic personality traits comes dangerously close to invalidating Noelleās autonomy in a similar way to how femmes who participate in kink and identify with submission are often policed online.
Because of the misguided notions that masochists just LOVE pain and abuse for the sake of it, people are immediately discomforted whenever they hear of people engaging in S&M dynamics. Leading to shit like this:
āThis is why bullies and abusers feel comfortable in their spaces.ā
āVictims are enabling these situations to occur moreā
āThese helpless girls are going to end trapped in an abusive relationship or even deadā
āBad actors love that you let them take advantage of youā
āMasochism is a mental illness, you need serious therapyā
Trust me, I relate heavily to being worried for other people and not wanting anyone to get seriously hurtā¦ but these comments exist as a microcosm of people who are unwilling to see kinks and S&M as a valid experience.
The more comfortable people get invalidating masochism as an illness, the easier it is to distance yourself from them through jokes and shame.
And the real sad thing is: Itās easy to ignore victim blaming done by incoherent misogynistsā¦ but itās polarizing to address victim blaming performed by overprotective online policing.
Oftentimes, hate speech and concern can seem indistinguishable.
ā¦Iāve been struggling to write this part of the analysis for quite a while because one of the most upsetting realizations I made was that the Weird Route could be interpreted as fuel for victim blaming directed towards masochists and submissive femmes.Ā
After all, why should people like Noelle be trusted with her freedom when we have palpable proof that she will fail to assert herself when real danger shows up?
The fine line Iāve been trying to balance is that Noelle IS mentally unwell. Noelleās masochistic tendencies ARE rooted from trauma.
And in a way, Queen and Rudy DO have a point that Noelle is deeply vulnerable to outside forces and needs watchful protection.
But Iāll repeat again, S&M is NOT a willing acceptance of violence and abuse. Legitimate S&M dynamics are found on consent!
The Weird Route is a cautionary tale on relationships that form when consent isnāt part of the equation.
Noelle becomes trapped into this abusive relationship NOT because of her masochistic tendencies, but because she has NEVER been able to explore a romantic relationship or her tendencies and hasnāt properly established her boundaries.
The moment Kris (the Player) returns to their commanding voice and physically endangers her, her longing for Kris is GONE.
Iām certain that Toby knew and predicted potential bad faith readings that couldāve been applied to Noelleās behavior on this route. Which is why Noelleās background is so absurdly detailed and specific.
Letās go over the REAL necessary context that led to this:
Noelle lives in an unchanging, puritanical household trapped eternally in Christmas. Enforced by a very collectivist, matriarchal family dynamic that, as the next woman of the family, she must live up to.Ā
Itās almost to a comical degree with Carol preserving artifacts of the traumatic Dremurr/Holiday split scattered all over the house to remind her every day of what theyāve lost.
Carol is not just a strict mother but also the Mayor of Hometown.
Sheās extremely neglectful of Noelle and is told to be āhard on herā whenever sheās around.
Despite being a valedictorian, a pillar of her community, giving gifts to her, and staying put, Carol never seems to show any open appreciation for her.Ā To her, the success and safety of her daughter is more important than a loving relationship.
Perhaps to avoid ever having to relive what happened with Dess...
Noelle just seems scared of her. She wonāt argue back or complain even when she is locked out of her house for hours. And throughout all her life, sheās had to hide her interests and relationships from her.
Rudy is at most a mediator of these domestic issues, but doesnāt fix them.
He even neglects serious matters by hiding behind smiles and jokes. And a lot of her inability to admit her emotions could be inspired by her father.
Noelle is also living with some PTSD or even guilt over her sisterās disappearance. Kris, Dess, and Asriel have vanished from her lives one way or another, and with Rudy bedridden, sheās running out of people to love.
Is it any surprise that Noelle, once The Player promises her some liberation, wearing the skin of a person she yearns to connect with again, and who also happens to know the ins and outs of Noelleās psychology, easily folds to them?
The Weird Route is the consequence of restrictive parenting, emotional neglect, and most of all, invalidation.Ā
This is why talking about this is so important. And itās why Iāve spent this ungodly amount of time researching this just to talk about a pixelated deer girl.
I didn't write this. But it is facts.
Even if Iām just completely bananas on Noelleās tendencies being a serious plot point, and even if itās kind of ridiculous to diagnose fictional characters that we literally cannot question or talk properly toā¦
Fandoms read personality traits onto characters based both on their writing AND vibes. I mean look at the trans Noelle debate that popped up a few years back.
Brainrot Artistic analysis isnāt about scientifically dissecting the exact psychoanalysis bucket we can put a fictional character into, but the RELATABILITY of the struggles of fictional characters, where we can base entire readings off of.
If we can find valuable connections and lessons in fictional characters, even if we just hallucinated those intentions, those conversations can help us connect to ourselves and other people.
If even someone who only has a broad understanding of masochism can somehow see Noelle as a masochist, even if Toby never intended this (even though I think he did), it is still a valid reading.
And if Iām allowed to be slightly more inflammatory, popular characters like Noelle from a massively popular game, consequentially often have their less relatable qualities erased from discussion and headcanons. Iāve seen it time and time again with degrees of insensitivity.
Itās been done with Noelle, and youāve definitely seen it with Kris.
46 citations! You didn't want to leave them a chance, huh?!! Did you feel anger? Hate? They were bleeding, begging for you to get out of their body. But you misgendered them! Again and again!
People should be allowed to explore their sexuality and seek relationships that they can grow from. Thatās how a person finds their threshold for consent in the first place.
And just because Noelle has a weird, fetishistic love for someone, doesnāt mean itās not real or worth delving into or questioning herself.
But hereās what I hope Iām trying to get across here is that, and hopefully for the FINAL time:
ITāS ALL ABOUT CONSENT!!! Consent is the difference between valid romantic experiences vs straight-up abuse.
Thatās how marginalized people and people who have felt invalid their entire life FIND their communities. Through LOTS AND LOTS AND LOTS of trial and error!
Maybe the relationship will shatter. Maybe these desires will be preyed on by an abuser. And for Noelleās case, maybe by seeking this danger, sheāll experience another traumatic experience and shatter her already broken conscience further.
But hereās the thing.Ā
How often does Noelle ever show confidence about what she feels? How often does she act on anything for her own sake?Ā
If Noelleās desires can be exploited, doesnāt the blame fall on the exploiter and not the person who had the right to seek them out?
And lo and behold, Susieās actually pretty chill after all!Ā
And by Chapter 4, I think youād be delusional to still assume Susie doesnāt reciprocate some feelings back.
She gets so distracted by finding out if Suselle is canon that Kris can go down a large hallway, undergo an entire art therapy session, and eat that sweet sweet moss without her noticing.
Knowing how little Noelle ever allows herself to express her own interests, I think itās actually healthier to just let her find out herself and see what truly makes her happy.
And letās be perfectly honest - teenage relationships almost never hold up anyways. Suselle, Kriselle, ā¦ā¦.Berdelle? It doesn't matter.
Regardless of who she ends up with at the end of Deltarune, itās not guaranteed to be positive or even lastā¦ but the learning experience absolutely will.Ā
AKA: Donāt be a Carol.
PS. Holy [$?%!] this took way too goddamn long.
Everything Iāve said here is honestly very surface-level and more a result of my distant fascination for all sorts of people across marginalized spaces.Ā
I donāt know these people well enough to truly connect to them, but the best Iād like to offer is to explain why they are so interesting. At the very least, this character gave me a great excuse to delve into this topic further.
But for now, I need to give irl serious topics like this a break, Iāll be back to more fun posts until then.
watched a gamedev how to get started video once and they said that developing your game's gameplay comes first over over-optimizing existing features.. but it's literally the only entertaining thing ab gamedev for me..
i followed a tutorial on how to make a SIMPLE lighting system, and i put my own spin to it by making the light animated by making a an array var for storing it's frames (bcz for some reason pointlight2d nodes in godot don't support animatedtextures), used cooldown nodes instead of float variables for the animated light FPS, and made it customizable by adding resources.. ok..
can youtube stop recommending me deltarune 5 videos that have spoilers in them i donāt want to watch a video where susie and noelle are hanging out together while finding out that something horrifying is happening to susie and ralsei with the cowboy man between them
āKriselleā but there is a picture of susie between them
based off the heteronormativity vibe you get from snowgrave where Noelle is forced into the role of a wife of a man and Kris is forced into a role of masculinity
i got inspo from this picture
i have GOT to stop procrastinating cross posting especially when i am planning to switch platforms bruh. It took me 2 weeks before actually proceeding to post this here. anyways goodnight guys
