In anticipation of "Dad Band," Sacha Yanow’s contribution to Wynne Greenwood’s “Temporary Arrangements” series at the New Museum, Season Fellow Amanda Ryan interviewed Sacha to find out more about the artist's process of "finding her inner dad."
AR: How did you come up with the idea of “Dad Band?” How do you think the ideas you’re exploring might resonate with our PERSONA Season theme?
SY: When I was given this prompt for this one-night-only band or “Temporary Arrangement,” it suggested making a band based on “things you care about” or the idea of “coming together.” I don’t know why, but my dad and the music he loved when I was growing up—The Everly Brothers, The Beatles, The Platters, Francoise Hardy—kept coming up, and I was like, “what is that, why is that what’s coming to mind?” So then I started to think about that band as being a way of connecting to my dad, or so to speak, ‘banding’ with my dad. In terms of “PERSONA,” I’m exploring the persona of my dad and all that that means, and all that I inherited from him. What I’m finding through this process is that I’m actually writing a show about me. I’m still working out how to navigate this character; I’m not trying to impersonate my dad and I’m not trying to impersonate myself, it’s more about finding this intersection between the two of us and where that breaks apart. I think about it more as a ritual, trying to take on my dad without commenting on my dad, just really trying to embody him. On a more general level, I was thinking of this idea of the ‘internalized dad,’ larger structures of the patriarchy, white supremacy, white dads, the white patriarchy that we live in. I’m not really trying to approach that idea head on, I’m trying to be really specific about my dad and hoping that people might be able to identify some more universal ‘dad’ qualities embedded in the performance.
In relation to my work in general and this idea of “PERSONA,” I often choose to embody on stage the things about myself that I feel most conflicted, confused, ashamed about in order to learn more about them.
AR: In doing this piece, what sorts of resonances between your inner life and your dad’s have you discovered?
SY: Well, my dad has been a hard person for me to really get to know; perhaps because of these resonances, I am piecing together an inventory of what I do know. I’m exploring his presence and non-presence in my life, and thinking about the quality of that presence, not in terms of judging its caliber, but what it was and is both literally or physically, and emotionally. I’m trying to identify the psychological aspects that I see in my dad and relate to—isolation, fantasy, perfectionism, depression, anger. The biggest thing that I’ve discovered in writing this thing is that I also relate to positive things, like I think I have some of his humor. His humor is very earnest and a little goofy, but also thoughtful and clever.
I’m also noticing, through trying to embody his behaviors, this physicality, a way of moving, and gestures that we share. I’m also trying to understand him better by mimicking his behaviors, which involve a lot of routines and ritual, and asking, “what is this action, how does he spend his time, who is he?” I’ve also collected pieces of physical evidence, objects and images, to flesh out this picture of my dad. The concept is that he is the band, and he’ll be putting on this show for one-night-only and we get to know him through it. The structure is kind of like a band’s show, but there are also elements from mystery and detective novels mixed in, so that the audience and I are trying to piece together the story of getting to know “dad” together.
AR: What are some of the artifacts you’re using to put together this picture of your dad?
SY: Well, one of the strangest things is this video of my dad on a national game show in 1975 (and he is exactly the same age as I am right now). It’s called “To Tell the Truth,” and he’s one of three contestants where he pretends to be an expert, and the celebrity judges have to decide which one is the real expert. He wins! And it’s this funny thing where he’s impersonating being an expert but he seemed to me to assume this role of ‘expert’ in real life and also, more generally, he holds this symbolic position of authority and expertise as my father. And then of course there is the fact that white men are just assumed to be experts.
AR: What was he pretending to be an expert in and what was his actual profession?
He was pretending to be a stinging insect specialist. At the time, he was actually an ad man, like Mad Men-style. My dad was born and raised here in New York City and when he lived here he had a very different lifestyle—dinners and drinking and an active social circle—and then my parents moved up to rural Massachusetts and had me my sister. My mom searched out this game show video and gave it to my dad for his birthday one year, and it was just this glimpse into this completely foreign side of him from before my parents had kids that I never had a chance to know.
SY: How did you know him growing up, was his life like after your parents left the city?
Growing up, we would sometimes watch TV together or read his favorite Agatha Christie books together, those were a couple of ways I could engage with him. He spent a lot of time in his room watching the stock market and I never really knew what he did up there, it was kind of a mystery to me. I spent a lot of time in my room, too. So we were both there, in the same house, but there was a distance.
I also remember spending time with him in the car, listening to his favorite songs. I’m working these into the piece as him doing a kind of sing-along, like he might be listening to these songs in his room, and I might be listening to these songs in my room at the same time, thinking about him listening to these songs, and we’re all in the museum institutionalizing this phenomenon.
AR: What’s your relationship with your dad like now?
SY: Over the last five or six years our relationship has grown and it’s been really nice. We talk on the phone often and I see him every few months - I would say that we’re close and also don’t feel like I know that much about him sometimes. In the process of putting together this show I've sent him some e-mails where I’ll ask him questions about himself (to compare with what I think I know) and he’s been really happy to share with me...just stuff like his favorite kind of shoes, his favorite songs, his favorite stocks. And he just told me he's gonna come see the show!