JJK

[honestlyyoungtyphoon]

"Oh no won't somebody think about a 20+ woman getting into a relationship with a 24+ man. The horror! The p*edophila!"

How Sovieshu antis sound while spreading false information

[tiramisooooh]

:)

[inthst]

The reddit sub for Tre is really trying hard to spread Rashta was a minor propaganda despite people pointing out Rashta is an adult in official Korean Wikipedia. Also the story would have tagged underage if that was the case. I understand hating Sovieshu but y'all doing too much over a fictional character while using real life problem. Calling any fictional character a pedo you don't like is actually harmful for real life victims as it dilutes the meaning.

Edit: since some of you like to act slick, Rashta's age in Korean wiki is 20-22. SK legal age starts at 20, not 18. So if Rashta was 18, it'd still be tagged as underage.

[satoruined]

like father, like son

[ontgerunway]

Toji died in 2006 summer. (May-September in Japan)

Megumi was born 22nd December 2002

He was 3+, not even 4 when Toji died. So Toji's flashback of Megumi being so young makes sense and Megumi not remembering him also makes sense.

When Gojo went to meet Megumi, he was 5-6 years old. So he didn't immediately go back to Megumi after Toji's death. So Megumi's "I haven't seen him (Toji) for years makes sense as his father literally been dead for years.

As for why Gojo didn't immediately go back? I have a theory that Toji's second wife was alive at that time or around them. She's also probably the one who told them Toji ran away not knowing her husband actually died.

And Gojo only stepped in when she ran away herself and probably waited a few days to see whether she returned or confirmed her death (idk she's dead but I'm giving her the benefit of doubt).

So the criticism of Toji not seeing Megumi for years is bs as he himself took care of Megumi as a child and when he realized he couldn't be good father to Megumi he decided to marry Tsumiki's mom and I do think she's a decent mom as Toji is good at judging characters (i.e. he was right about Gojo). This is why I think she also died, or was murdered.

And the criticism of Gojo not going back to Megumi immediately is also bs. Megumi and Tsumiki were not left alone for years. Megumi and Tsumiki were going to school, his step mom must have admitted them there before getting erased out of existence. Why would Gojo interfere when one guardian is still there?

The kids could not get admission in school without a guardian and that's why I think his step mom was alive and around them that time.

After her disappearance, Megumi thought she ran away with Toji. And that makes me question if her disappearance had anything to do with Toji's death. Maybe she heard something about Toji after all these years and wanted to find out and get herself killed in the process, which is a good probability as Toji had lots of enemies due to his profession.

I'd say their marriage was fairly recent as Shio himself didn't know about it. He was very much involved when Megumi was a baby and thought Toji was still a single dad when he met him in 2006 and Megumi was still a toddler.

Anyways, I just wanted to put it out there to people who say Toji left Megumi alone for years or Gojo left Megumi alone for years.

Neither of them makes sense and total BS

[fictonrantsworld]

Honestly it's a valid point. It's too bad gege won't ever really tell us exactly what happened. Hell we don't even have mamaguros name.

[ontgerunway]

Gege has good strength in story telling but has problems in world building and leaving details behind.

And people always criticised his portraying female characters and how they play less major role. There's even a gag of Maki only got most fleshed out because she resembles Toji. And judging by what has happened to other female characters, I can't blame them. Wish he put more effort in female characters. I wanted to know more about Mamagumi, Yuki, Tengen.

The woman responsible for taming the man that's responsible for current jjk plot yet we don't know her name. What a tragedy.

[epickiya722]

You know what, thinking about this again, I will firmly say that people really just want to hate Maki and the way they view Maki when comparing her to Toji is very similar to how the Zenin clan full of jerks see her to Toji.

I will say it again, Maki isn't the female Toji.

Toji was just the preview of what she can really do.

And I find it disheartening that some people don't see her as her own character despite the fact she was already her own established character since JJK 0, way before Toji was even named.

The Zenin clan seeing her as Toji is where they messed up. Toji is the same man they abused and in turn, became one of the reasons why Maki was.

Fearful of the same man they abused and then turned around and repeated the process with Maki.

People were mad at this frame because Toji was shown too quick, but that's the thing. Maki may be similar to Toji in power and strength, but she is also still Maki. And unlike Toji, Maki did give the Zenin exactly what they deserve.

I'm glad they didn't let that shot of Toji linger because the audience needs to understand that Maki is still Maki. It was only at physical features, power and strength where their similarities lie.

(Besides, we get a whole scene of Toji later in the episode! This episode ain't about him!)

She destroyed the clan for taking away the one person she loved, Mai, her other half. She became feral. She wasn't going to and didn't put up with their bullshit unlike Toji who sold his own son to that wretched family. She wanted to prove them wrong about who she is and guess what? She did.

[ontgerunway]

The thing is Maki wouldn't have killed them if Mai was alive. She wanted to be the head of Zenin Clan, not kill them. Till they killed Mai. That's when her moto changed.

Like Toji, she wanted to create a safe space for Mai in that clan despite knowing it's trash for her. Toji did the same thing. I'd say she is female Toji and Toji is female Maki. Toji kept Zenin Clan alive because of his wife back then and later Megumi. Maki didn't attack because of Mai. They both have similar motivation.

If they killed managumi or Megumi, Toji would have given them the same treatment.

Both Maki and Toji left Zenin Clan but kept them alive because they had a loved one in their life. Maki's love was taken from her wheresas Toji's love (Megumi) was alive.

I understand your frustrations about frat bro jjk fans, despite being fans of Toji, they act like Naoyas. Failing to understand Toji, if they did, they wouldn't have talked down Maki. Cause they're basically male and female version of each other. No one is superior or inferior from each other.

But of course lobotomy kaisen fans make it unbearable.

[epickiya722]

I agree with certain fans acting like a bunch of Naoya's when it comes to Maki and Toji, and they're unbearable.

But I do disagree with them being basically female and male versions of each other when they have differences that "fans" don't acknowledge.

They're similar, but they're still their own characters. Not just "Female Toji" and "Male Maki". It's disheartening to only see them that way when there are those differences that make them Maki Zenin and Toji Fushiguro.

I don't know about Toji ever wanting to create space within the Zenin clan for Mamaguro and Megumi though. At some point he had left the clan and starting his Sorcerer Killer career.

It wasn't until he met Mamaguro that he stopped and changed, married her (even taking her last name) and had Megumi. Had it not been for Mamaguro, yeah, he would have killed the clan if he wanted to. Instead, he had cut ties with the Zenin clan, he had no intentions of going back ever.

Unlike Maki, he did not want to prove the clan wrong about anything.

When Mamaguro died, Toji went back to his old ways. Later down the line, he even sold Megumi to the clan thinking he would have had a better future because of his technique with them, even though he was aware of how the Zenin clan are. Hence, probably why he told Gojo about it. To give Megumi a chance to not be like them.

I'm sure had the Zenin clan did kill Mamaguro, Toji probably would have killed them. However, the Zenin clan didn't bother Toji, doubt they would have been able to find him with how he was moving.

They did not have similar motivations or goals.

Toji didn't want to prove the clan wrong about anything. He didn't have to because they were just that scared of him, despite abusing him in the past.

Maki, on the other hand, did want to prove them wrong. She did want to become head of the Zenin clan, not cut ties with them completely.

Maki herself told Megumi that she couldn't be the head given how she still wouldn't be good enough for them, despite her wanting Mai to have a better place in the clan. In an earlier arc, Maki even expressed to Mai that she would have hated herself had she stayed in the Zenin clan and that's why she left, but apologized to her (although their relationship still was left broken).

Unlike Toji, who didn't at all express his remorse for abandoning his son (even forgetting his own name and barely remembering his face), Maki will at least admit her faults to Mai about leaving her.

Who she did kill the clan for. Had Ogi and the clan not have had any intentions of killing them both and then putting them on the brink of death, Maki wouldn't have killed them.

Mai told her to "destroy everything", Maki got her sword and said "Mai, let's get started" after killing Ogi. She acknowledges Mai, there and what was to come.

Maki and Toji are gender swapped versions of each other in power, looks, were abused by the Zenin, had someone they loved dearly who became a reason of a change, and left the clan.

But that's where the similarities stop.

Toji didn't leave the clan and became the Sorcerer Killer to prove anyone wrong. He was an unstable man due to the Zenin clan's abuse. They didn't bother Toji after him leaving (at some point when he was older, they probably stopped bothering him because they knew how capable he was).

He was lazy in personality and only pass by through life doing whatever he wanted. He didn't have any motivation for anything. He wasn't even active in Megumi's life.

Maki left because she did want to prove them wrong and became a sorcerer. Despite the abuse, she still kept a level head and didn't act out. The Zenin clan constantly hindered her from being promoted in grade. They always bothered her. Even still, Maki didn't allow them to stop her from getting stronger.

The Zenin clan may have abused Toji, when he was a child, but they were still able to recognize and acknowledge how powerful and capable he was.

They did not give Maki that same grace and only acknowledge her the moment she started taking them down.

Had Mai not died, Maki, yeah, wouldn't have killed them. She did want to be head of the Zenin, mentioned here and in another post somewhere. But Mai was both her reason and strength.

[ontgerunway]

To each on their own I suppose. But saying Toji didn't feel remorse for abandoning Megumi is a choice. Dude literally killed himself to save his son. His last thought was always his son and his face.

He sold his son to Zenin thinking it'd better for him, the same way Maki left Mai behind thinking it'd be better for her.

He forgot Megumi's name because Toji literally can't remember male names, he admitted himself. His own depression played a part in that. It's also clinically proven that severely depressed people suffer from memory problem (Toji also forgot about RCT that ultimately brought his demise, he's not above forgetting important things that can even cost his life)

They bothered a teen Maki the same way they bothered teen Toji. They literally threw him in pit full of curse when he was a kid. Because they wanted him to die. As far as we know, Maki wasn't thrown into that pit before that episode. He left the clan because of their abuse just like Maki did.

Toji didn't want to prove the clan wrong– that was when he decided to leave it all behind, pride, revenge etc when he met his wife. Before that, he absolutely wanted to, that's exactly why became a sorcerer killer. But after meeting Mamagumui, he left that motivation.

Also calling a depressed demotivated person lazy is also a choice especially we know how depression can fuck up one's brain chemistry.

Zenin Clan knew Toji could kill them but never acknowledged it out loud. Hence Naoya's famous line about "the sin of insignificant is ignorance of true strength".

Toji's pure heavenly restricted body wasn't recognized nor reselected, of course they wouldn't respect or recognize a weaker version of it (before awakening). Fearing something doesn't mean they'd admit it or stop stop them from shit talking cause that's what cowards do.

But of course I'm feeling like much of this discussion happening because of the toxic fandom ruining our mood, leading us to hate or dislike characters because of the annoying fans, making us biased, putting down characters to lift up our faves. The powerscalers, jujutsu lobotomy fans aren't doing us any favor. Instead of enjoying the whole thing (including it's good, grey, villain characters) we're stuck in a loop defending or putting down characters, simultenously making ourselves unhappy in the process.

We disagree on many things and that's okay. But I for myself wouldn't put down other characters to uplift a character I like. Hell I don't think I dislike any jjk characters including characters like mahito.

I figured my toxic fans are the reason I initially disliked few characters (Geto for example). Then I realized it's his stand that are toxic, Geto himself is an interesting character despite being a villain).

Last few paragraphs seem like derailment from the main argument but most of the times I've seen people posting like this because they got pissed off by other fans posting about their characters they didn't like and choosing to dunk on the characters those fans like to get back at them.

If it doesn't apply to you, good for you. Though I think it's kinda impossible judging by the current fandom culture, it's not limited to jjk only unfortunately.

Anyways, tldr: let's just agree to disagree.

[ontgerunway]

When Maki told Mai to wake up, I legit started crying.

When I saw Toji's hollow look it made me fill with despair.

The zenin clans are truly scums on earth.

[suguruss1ut]

toji with long hair awakened something in me...

[gabbyp09]

Jujutsu Kaisen S3 EP4 Perfect Preparation

[inkjetpaladin]

The secret is having big titty

[marxistmandalorian]

Hereditary techniques of the Zen’in clan:

Ten Shadows

These hands

Heavenly Restriction

And you need one to fully utilize the other

[epickiya722]

You know what, thinking about this again, I will firmly say that people really just want to hate Maki and the way they view Maki when comparing her to Toji is very similar to how the Zenin clan full of jerks see her to Toji.

I will say it again, Maki isn't the female Toji.

Toji was just the preview of what she can really do.

And I find it disheartening that some people don't see her as her own character despite the fact she was already her own established character since JJK 0, way before Toji was even named.

The Zenin clan seeing her as Toji is where they messed up. Toji is the same man they abused and in turn, became one of the reasons why Maki was.

Fearful of the same man they abused and then turned around and repeated the process with Maki.

People were mad at this frame because Toji was shown too quick, but that's the thing. Maki may be similar to Toji in power and strength, but she is also still Maki. And unlike Toji, Maki did give the Zenin exactly what they deserve.

I'm glad they didn't let that shot of Toji linger because the audience needs to understand that Maki is still Maki. It was only at physical features, power and strength where their similarities lie.

(Besides, we get a whole scene of Toji later in the episode! This episode ain't about him!)

She destroyed the clan for taking away the one person she loved, Mai, her other half. She became feral. She wasn't going to and didn't put up with their bullshit unlike Toji who sold his own son to that wretched family. She wanted to prove them wrong about who she is and guess what? She did.

[ontgerunway]

The thing is Maki wouldn't have killed them if Mai was alive. She wanted to be the head of Zenin Clan, not kill them. Till they killed Mai. That's when her moto changed.

Like Toji, she wanted to create a safe space for Mai in that clan despite knowing it's trash for her. Toji did the same thing. I'd say she is female Toji and Toji is female Maki. Toji kept Zenin Clan alive because of his wife back then and later Megumi. Maki didn't attack because of Mai. They both have similar motivation.

If they killed managumi or Megumi, Toji would have given them the same treatment.

Both Maki and Toji left Zenin Clan but kept them alive because they had a loved one in their life. Maki's love was taken from her wheresas Toji's love (Megumi) was alive.

I understand your frustrations about frat bro jjk fans, despite being fans of Toji, they act like Naoyas. Failing to understand Toji, if they did, they wouldn't have talked down Maki. Cause they're basically male and female version of each other. No one is superior or inferior from each other.

But of course lobotomy kaisen fans make it unbearable.

[inthst]

Real.

[sol1562]

If you have to put down Toji to prop up Maki or put down Maki to prop up Toji, you're nothing but a loser and reason why jjk fans are called lobotomy kaisen fans.

SMH people are powerscaling trauma response now. I'm so done with this fandom.

Toji didn't kill Zenin Clan cause he didn't have a "Mai" in that clan. Him simply being alive put those fuckers in fear. Why would he kill them when it's explicitly said "the man who left it all behind" including his want for revenge?

Maki wouldn't have gone through it either, if Mai was alive. She went there to fetch weapons, not commit massacre. She only did it after Mai explicitly asked her to. Otherwise, she'd have followed Toji's path.

Both are valid in their reasons. If Zenin Clan tired putting a hand on Mamagumi, Toji would have given them a fate worse than death.

And if he took out Zenin Clan when he left, both Maki and Mai would be erased from existence as their parents would be dead before they could be born.

It's good that Zenins were taken by two things they hated. Heavenly restrictions and women.

Lobotomy kaisen need to stop putting them against each other. They're both equal and always will be. Anything Toji can do, Maki can do after awakening. Anything Maki can do after awakening, Toji can do too. Gege literally put that in writing about how they're equal in strength yet mofos still acting like this. Fuck all Toji and Maki haters. Fuck you all.

[naaoyaa]

[ontgerunway]

The one that truly understood Toji was Gojo, not Naoya.

I didn't even realize that Toji is in front, because Gojo is looking at him while Toji is looking at nothing.

This is Naoya acknowledging Gojo understanding Toji. Not him respecting or glazing Gojo alongside Toji. He's solely glazing Toji here.

Nobody was ignorant of Gojo's power. Everyone knew about it since his birth. But people was ignorant of Toji's strength hence making them insignificant unlike Gojo who realized it after he met him, just like Naoya.

I have a theory that Naoya met Gojo when he went there to make deals for Megumi and Gojo talked about Toji there and definitely said something about him that pissed off the Zenin members except Naoya cause in his mind Toji is strong and Gojo acknowledging it made him realize he was not alone in that thought and put him alongside Gojo in club of people who truly understood Toji.

But he was so close to the point yet missed it. He only saw Toji's strength but not the loneliness that was caused because of it. The damage it brought upon him. Gojo did and Gojo understood. That's why he wanted to change the younger generation. That's why many of his students are misfits and outcasts (Maki, Yuta etc). He wanted to give them a chance that Toji was denied as a child. Gojo is usually very mocking and cocky to those whom he beats up (even badmouthed Sukuna over and over again while he was dragging his ass across the buildings) but when Toji died, his face was serious, somber. No mocking, cruel words because he finally understood why Toji is the way he is. Probably why he agreed to take in Megumi upon Toji's subtle suggestions. When he awkward he too realized the loneliness and isolation that he failed to notice before as he had equals (Geto), but after awakening he was alone just like Toji. And didn't want anyone to bear that burden.

This is where Naoya failed.

Naoya thought Toji was a rare gem that he and someone like Gojo understood. It was his pride and achievement. In that regard he felt he was familiar with them, in league with them: league of real strength.

Naoya saw the light of Toji's strength but failed to see the darkness beneath (unlike Gojo). If he did, he'd not have treated Maki so cruelly. He'd have tried to change the world like Gojo did upon seeing Toji. But he derailed himself because of his superficial understanding. He became just like those "insignificant people" who he looked down upon.

Gojo Satoru understood Fushiguro Toji/Zenin Toji. He is the one who truly gets him. Not Naoya. Ironically Gojo is once again truly alone in that club of understanding Toji, just like he was alone in everything else.

How I wish Mamagumi was alive and Toji met him in much stable mind. I feel like Gojo wouldn't have been so burdened and lonely, despite being two end of the opposite poles they shared something common that nobody at that time did.

The sin of insignificant isn't just ignorance of strength but also failure to understand what that strength cost the wielder.

[ontgerunway]

"Toji kept the Zenin clan alive on a whim." Imagine a centuries-old clan, steeped in legends, prestige, and harsh laws, a pillar of the great clans in Japan, renowned for its power and influence. Yet, you discover that its very existence wasn't based on solidity, but merely a vestige of Toji's whim. Despite his intense hatred for them and their rejection of him, he possessed a power that allowed him, at any moment, with a fleeting decision or even a passing mood, to obliterate the clan entirely and erase its history. Their continued existence became a mere coincidence born of his indifference, and this alone reveals the immense prestige and influence this character wielded.