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"Seeing and hearing what is not materially present and interpretations of those experiences that ascribe reality to the non-material became hallmark symptoms of psychosis. Such experiences were also hallmark characteristics of MRE (mystical religious experience), but the science of the day overlooked qualitative difference between these symptoms and characteristics. Some members of the scientific community at that time questioned the association of MRE with pathology and moved to address the issue by revising psychoanalytic theory. But there were also those who maintained that the association of religion with pathology was correct. And so the debate continued and continues in the twenty-first century."

DeHoff, Susan L.. Psychosis or Mystical Religious Experience?: A New Paradigm Grounded in Psychology and Reformed Theology (p. 19).

#psychosis #mysticism #mystical religious experience #reformed

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where's the Muslim or Jewish version of this?

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Sung Hwa Kim, The Stars That Have Lost Their Names, The Eternal Present, 2023

fiercelywonderful

I am Asian but was raised Catholic, but my ethnic culture is impossible to separate from Buddhism, plus the Bible translation I grew up with obviously had Buddhist influences. I wonder how much of me is subconsciously influenced by Buddhism. I think that’s such a beautiful thing.

It's odd, isn't it? Where do you think your Bible translation was influenced by buddhism?

fiercelywonderful

In the old days of Asia most educated people were monks, similar to how in Europe most educated people were historically part of a religious order. So one can see how their cultural mindset would affect their translation. I don’t have a copy so I can’t point to where exactly, but I remember reading the gospels as a child and noting how the translation sounded “zen” and emphasized peace in a way the English version does not.

I see, thanks for explaining. Translation is fascinating.

fiercelywonderful

You’re welcome. I hope that this insight on translations and cultural differences helps you understand that the Bible cannot be taken at face value and sociocultural context is important to understand the authors’ and translators’ intentions. I peeked at your blog and was saddened by how you speak about other people’s characters because they don’t agree on your biblical interpretations on LGBTQ people. I’m not interested in arguing over this as I see how you’re unpleasant to other people you argue with. But I will say you are better off serving Jesus by criticizing the rich and serving the poor rather than being incendiary over people’s gender identities. Peace be with you.

No, but it does inform me of your opinion which is useful and what I was interested in. It’s good to hear people’s arguments for theological diversity and to know where the text can be manipulated by people trying to update the Gospel to be more palatable to modern taste. Not interested in your logic around not having to actually do what the Bible says in the slightest. If I said something incorrect about someone’s character, please point it out or hold your peace.

fiercelywonderful

Calling all LGBTQ people psychotic liars, for one. It’s neither true nor kind and not what Jesus would do. Our interpretations of the Bible do change, not to be more palatable to modern society, but to bring it in harmony with our understanding of things like science and ethics. It’s more important to follow the spirit of the law than the letter of the law. Modernity isn’t inherently evil. It’s why we no longer believe divorce is a death sentence, masturbating is mass murder of unborn children, menstruating women are “impure”, or that the earth was created exactly how Genesis described. It’s also why Christians should not tolerate slavery anymore even though it was accepted in the Bible and used during America’s earlier years to justify the practice.

Being psychotic is the best case scenario for people spreading these ideas and labeling them “psychotic” medicalizes a problem that is actually almost certainly a choice (it’s not a detachment from reality but a flagrant and self-serving twisting of scripture that flies in the face of all church history). I did it too when I thought I could replace God’s standard with my own as a teenager. I thought I had the enlightened ideas and knew better than Him. I thought slavery in America was just like slavery in Israel. I thought God was evil and I knew better than Him what was good because why wouldn’t two men marrying be just like a man and woman marrying? I was completely wrong but I wasn’t psychotic. I was just totally an enemy of the Lord convinced I knew better.

No, the Bible doesn’t have to be brought into harmony with anything. You prioritize being palatable to modern sentiments. That’s your choice. I don’t agree with it here. God is good. He doesn’t change. What He found abominable then He finds abominable now. What He outlined as marriage in Genesis 2 is still the law of marriage now. It’s not bigotry to believe that.

fiercelywonderful

It’s funny and sad you claim to have grown as a teenager when your posts still read as edgy and presumptuous. Swapping out opposite beliefs means change, but it doesn’t mean growth. Mindlessly repeating clobber verses is poor literacy and ignorance of the sociocultural context. Mentions of homosexuality in the bible are never about two consenting adults in love. Rather it referred to things like sex trafficking and pagan sex rituals. And do you still think women on their periods shouldn’t enter holy places as the Bible commands or is our modern understanding of menstruation just another evil palatable modern sentiment to make us fall farther from God? Any serious religious scholar will say not everything in the bible is meant to be followed literally.

happy to be ignorant of whatever context allows inversion of plain meaning. no, מִשְׁכְּבֵ֣י אִשָּׁ֑ה does not refer to pagan sex rituals or sex trafficking. I think if you sent an unclean person into the tabernacle because you felt God's laws were incorrect/unjust, you would find out very quickly where the actual problem was located like Korah and Cosbi did. God doesn't change. No serious religious scholar existed before 1900 who agreed with you. It's entirely a modern invention to pretend there is a gay version of marriage that is just as holy and valid as the sacrament God created in Genesis 2.

fiercelywonderful

I am Asian but was raised Catholic, but my ethnic culture is impossible to separate from Buddhism, plus the Bible translation I grew up with obviously had Buddhist influences. I wonder how much of me is subconsciously influenced by Buddhism. I think that’s such a beautiful thing.

It's odd, isn't it? Where do you think your Bible translation was influenced by buddhism?

fiercelywonderful

In the old days of Asia most educated people were monks, similar to how in Europe most educated people were historically part of a religious order. So one can see how their cultural mindset would affect their translation. I don’t have a copy so I can’t point to where exactly, but I remember reading the gospels as a child and noting how the translation sounded “zen” and emphasized peace in a way the English version does not.

I see, thanks for explaining. Translation is fascinating.

fiercelywonderful

You’re welcome. I hope that this insight on translations and cultural differences helps you understand that the Bible cannot be taken at face value and sociocultural context is important to understand the authors’ and translators’ intentions. I peeked at your blog and was saddened by how you speak about other people’s characters because they don’t agree on your biblical interpretations on LGBTQ people. I’m not interested in arguing over this as I see how you’re unpleasant to other people you argue with. But I will say you are better off serving Jesus by criticizing the rich and serving the poor rather than being incendiary over people’s gender identities. Peace be with you.

No, but it does inform me of your opinion which is useful and what I was interested in. It’s good to hear people’s arguments for theological diversity and to know where the text can be manipulated by people trying to update the Gospel to be more palatable to modern taste. Not interested in your logic around not having to actually do what the Bible says in the slightest. If I said something incorrect about someone’s character, please point it out or hold your peace.

fiercelywonderful

Calling all LGBTQ people psychotic liars, for one. It’s neither true nor kind and not what Jesus would do. Our interpretations of the Bible do change, not to be more palatable to modern society, but to bring it in harmony with our understanding of things like science and ethics. It’s more important to follow the spirit of the law than the letter of the law. Modernity isn’t inherently evil. It’s why we no longer believe divorce is a death sentence, masturbating is mass murder of unborn children, menstruating women are “impure”, or that the earth was created exactly how Genesis described. It’s also why Christians should not tolerate slavery anymore even though it was accepted in the Bible and used during America’s earlier years to justify the practice.

Being psychotic is the best case scenario for people spreading these ideas and labeling them “psychotic” medicalizes a problem that is actually almost certainly a choice (it’s not a detachment from reality but a flagrant and self-serving twisting of scripture that flies in the face of all church history). I did it too when I thought I could replace God’s standard with my own as a teenager. I thought I had the enlightened ideas and knew better than Him. I thought slavery in America was just like slavery in Israel. I thought God was evil and I knew better than Him what was good because why wouldn’t two men marrying be just like a man and woman marrying? I was completely wrong but I wasn’t psychotic. I was just totally an enemy of the Lord convinced I knew better.

No, the Bible doesn’t have to be brought into harmony with anything. You prioritize being palatable to modern sentiments. That’s your choice. I don’t agree with it here. God is good. He doesn’t change. What He found abominable then He finds abominable now. What He outlined as marriage in Genesis 2 is still the law of marriage now. It’s not bigotry to believe that.

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fiercelywonderful

I am Asian but was raised Catholic, but my ethnic culture is impossible to separate from Buddhism, plus the Bible translation I grew up with obviously had Buddhist influences. I wonder how much of me is subconsciously influenced by Buddhism. I think that’s such a beautiful thing.

It's odd, isn't it? Where do you think your Bible translation was influenced by buddhism?

fiercelywonderful

In the old days of Asia most educated people were monks, similar to how in Europe most educated people were historically part of a religious order. So one can see how their cultural mindset would affect their translation. I don’t have a copy so I can’t point to where exactly, but I remember reading the gospels as a child and noting how the translation sounded “zen” and emphasized peace in a way the English version does not.

I see, thanks for explaining. Translation is fascinating.

fiercelywonderful

You’re welcome. I hope that this insight on translations and cultural differences helps you understand that the Bible cannot be taken at face value and sociocultural context is important to understand the authors’ and translators’ intentions. I peeked at your blog and was saddened by how you speak about other people’s characters because they don’t agree on your biblical interpretations on LGBTQ people. I’m not interested in arguing over this as I see how you’re unpleasant to other people you argue with. But I will say you are better off serving Jesus by criticizing the rich and serving the poor rather than being incendiary over people’s gender identities. Peace be with you.

No, but it does inform me of your opinion which is useful and what I was interested in. It’s good to hear people’s arguments for theological diversity and to know where the text can be manipulated by people trying to update the Gospel to be more palatable to modern taste. Not interested in your logic around not having to actually do what the Bible says in the slightest. If I said something incorrect about someone’s character, please point it out or hold your peace.

fiercelywonderful

I am Asian but was raised Catholic, but my ethnic culture is impossible to separate from Buddhism, plus the Bible translation I grew up with obviously had Buddhist influences. I wonder how much of me is subconsciously influenced by Buddhism. I think that’s such a beautiful thing.

It's odd, isn't it? Where do you think your Bible translation was influenced by buddhism?

fiercelywonderful

In the old days of Asia most educated people were monks, similar to how in Europe most educated people were historically part of a religious order. So one can see how their cultural mindset would affect their translation. I don’t have a copy so I can’t point to where exactly, but I remember reading the gospels as a child and noting how the translation sounded “zen” and emphasized peace in a way the English version does not.

I see, thanks for explaining. Translation is fascinating.

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fiercelywonderful

I am Asian but was raised Catholic, but my ethnic culture is impossible to separate from Buddhism, plus the Bible translation I grew up with obviously had Buddhist influences. I wonder how much of me is subconsciously influenced by Buddhism. I think that’s such a beautiful thing.

It's odd, isn't it? Where do you think your Bible translation was influenced by buddhism?

Am I wrong for being gay? Is god angry with me?

god himself loves his gender. romantically, crushingly, newly. you're good

Why are you telling people things contrary to scripture? If this person is genuine, then you're sending them down the road to perdition.

1. No scripture is being contradicted (literally, you're following the clobber verses, which are mistranslations and should not be followed unless you're following the correct translations)

2. God is all loving, so he would not be angry with the anon

3. Again, no scripture is being contradicted

4. Keep up the bigotry and hate (which btw is a sin) towards the LGBTQ+ and even other Christians like Roman Catholics (as well as literally any other group in general), you'll be the one on the road to perdition (literally, you undermined the literal mother of God, how could you not be on the road to perdition after that)

5. Your behavior on this site in general is similar to that of a pharisee

You can call them clobber verses all you'd like, they're still Biblical verses. You can translate them a million different ways, anyone who studies Greek and Hebrew can see what it meant in the original sense. I don't really see the point in arguing with someone who thinks there is no wrath of God. If there isn't, what was the point of Christ's sacrifice? Why would I care about being considered wrong here when you can't even get the basics of the faith correct?

They're not the correct versions of those verses though. Also clearly you can't see what they really mean because you let your bigotry overpower your compassion. Also not you talking about wrath when you yourself were being wrathful (which is a SIN) towards the LGBTQ. Also God is only wrathful towards evil. Also I do know the basics of the faith, but you don't :)

I think it's pretty obvious that's not true. It is interesting watching people appeal to expertise over and over again only to wind up at the "arsen" doesn't mean male and "koitai" doesn't mean bed over and over.

Most of these experts are stubborn and refuse to admit they're wrong. Also, words like arsenokotai actually don't mean homosexuality if you actually look at the contexts on how that word was used in other verses, clearly something you haven't done and will never do

It just happens to align with the Levitical language in the Septuagint randomly and has no deeper meaning. Very believable.

None of the stuff you're saying is believable because you're using the wrong sources. And you further invalidated yourself (at least towards Catholics) by undermining the Virgin Mary

What better sources are there? Please link them.

Am I wrong for being gay? Is god angry with me?

god himself loves his gender. romantically, crushingly, newly. you're good

Why are you telling people things contrary to scripture? If this person is genuine, then you're sending them down the road to perdition.

1. No scripture is being contradicted (literally, you're following the clobber verses, which are mistranslations and should not be followed unless you're following the correct translations)

2. God is all loving, so he would not be angry with the anon

3. Again, no scripture is being contradicted

4. Keep up the bigotry and hate (which btw is a sin) towards the LGBTQ+ and even other Christians like Roman Catholics (as well as literally any other group in general), you'll be the one on the road to perdition (literally, you undermined the literal mother of God, how could you not be on the road to perdition after that)

5. Your behavior on this site in general is similar to that of a pharisee

You can call them clobber verses all you'd like, they're still Biblical verses. You can translate them a million different ways, anyone who studies Greek and Hebrew can see what it meant in the original sense. I don't really see the point in arguing with someone who thinks there is no wrath of God. If there isn't, what was the point of Christ's sacrifice? Why would I care about being considered wrong here when you can't even get the basics of the faith correct?

They're not the correct versions of those verses though. Also clearly you can't see what they really mean because you let your bigotry overpower your compassion. Also not you talking about wrath when you yourself were being wrathful (which is a SIN) towards the LGBTQ. Also God is only wrathful towards evil. Also I do know the basics of the faith, but you don't :)

I think it's pretty obvious that's not true. It is interesting watching people appeal to expertise over and over again only to wind up at the "arsen" doesn't mean male and "koitai" doesn't mean bed over and over.

Most of these experts are stubborn and refuse to admit they're wrong. Also, words like arsenokotai actually don't mean homosexuality if you actually look at the contexts on how that word was used in other verses, clearly something you haven't done and will never do

It just happens to align with the Levitical language in the Septuagint randomly and has no deeper meaning. Very believable.

Am I wrong for being gay? Is god angry with me?

god himself loves his gender. romantically, crushingly, newly. you're good

Why are you telling people things contrary to scripture? If this person is genuine, then you're sending them down the road to perdition.

1. No scripture is being contradicted (literally, you're following the clobber verses, which are mistranslations and should not be followed unless you're following the correct translations)

2. God is all loving, so he would not be angry with the anon

3. Again, no scripture is being contradicted

4. Keep up the bigotry and hate (which btw is a sin) towards the LGBTQ+ and even other Christians like Roman Catholics (as well as literally any other group in general), you'll be the one on the road to perdition (literally, you undermined the literal mother of God, how could you not be on the road to perdition after that)

5. Your behavior on this site in general is similar to that of a pharisee

You can call them clobber verses all you'd like, they're still Biblical verses. You can translate them a million different ways, anyone who studies Greek and Hebrew can see what it meant in the original sense. I don't really see the point in arguing with someone who thinks there is no wrath of God. If there isn't, what was the point of Christ's sacrifice? Why would I care about being considered wrong here when you can't even get the basics of the faith correct?

They're not the correct versions of those verses though. Also clearly you can't see what they really mean because you let your bigotry overpower your compassion. Also not you talking about wrath when you yourself were being wrathful (which is a SIN) towards the LGBTQ. Also God is only wrathful towards evil. Also I do know the basics of the faith, but you don't :)

I think it's pretty obvious that's not true. It is interesting watching people appeal to expertise over and over again only to wind up at the "arsen" doesn't mean male and "koitai" doesn't mean bed over and over.

Am I wrong for being gay? Is god angry with me?

god himself loves his gender. romantically, crushingly, newly. you're good

Why are you telling people things contrary to scripture? If this person is genuine, then you're sending them down the road to perdition.

1. No scripture is being contradicted (literally, you're following the clobber verses, which are mistranslations and should not be followed unless you're following the correct translations)

2. God is all loving, so he would not be angry with the anon

3. Again, no scripture is being contradicted

4. Keep up the bigotry and hate (which btw is a sin) towards the LGBTQ+ and even other Christians like Roman Catholics (as well as literally any other group in general), you'll be the one on the road to perdition (literally, you undermined the literal mother of God, how could you not be on the road to perdition after that)

5. Your behavior on this site in general is similar to that of a pharisee

You can call them clobber verses all you'd like, they're still Biblical verses. You can translate them a million different ways, anyone who studies Greek and Hebrew can see what it meant in the original sense. I don't really see the point in arguing with someone who thinks there is no wrath of God. If there isn't, what was the point of Christ's sacrifice? Why would I care about being considered wrong here when you can't even get the basics of the faith correct?

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I believe everyone can be saved btw. Yes, that includes murderers, rapists, and pedophiles. I have been a victim of some of these things. I have also seen the work and mercy of God work miracles and reform people who committed them. Praying for the people who did those things to me helped me forgive them. God calls us to forgive all. Leave judgement to Him. Pray for the most heinous of people. I know it's hard, I know, I know.

I find it so odd that the only real position people in Christian spaces online take is this one that overlooks verses like John 20:23 (If you forgive anyone’s sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven.”) and the man who committed adultery who was put out of the church and handed over to satan. Why is it people performing Christianity in public feel so much more comfortable defending child rapists as forgivable than they do actually considering that some people will not be saved? Scripture says many people will not be saved. "God has promised forgiveness wherever there is repentance; He has not promised repentance wherever there is sin."

imagine thinking humans are satan

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