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Do you think Scott knew that Deucalion would get Theo to kill what's left of his pack? How much of what Deucalion did was part of their plan and how much was Deucalion's own doing? Do you think Scott is just turning a blind eye on the fact that his double cross took two lives?
Hi,
Do I understand you correctly, that you are trying to indicate that Scott is somehow to blame for Theo’s murders? That he purposefully risked Tracy’s and Josh’s lives?
Sorry, but I cannot agree at all.
Deucalion is surely not a reborn werewolf Mother Theresa, he is manipulative, ruthless and a murderer who is -despite helping Scott and Derek once or twice- in my eyes not even remotely redeemed for what he did. I also think that he does not care much about people in general and specifically not about Theo’s pack -and why would he? He might have played them, but they still kidnapped and tried to drug him- and he is definitely not like Scot who would still try to save people even if they wronged him. He is far, far from being a nice person, but he respects Scott and thinks he owes him and I think that counts for something in his world.
Saying this, I also have to stress that in my eyes neither him nor Scott are responsible for Tracy’s and Josh’s deaths. That’s solely on Theo.
It was pretty clear from the beginning that Theo never really cared for those kids, that he merely saw and used them as weapons and canon fodder in his pursuit for the beast’s power. He was perfectly willing to sacrifice them sooner or later for his goal -and Theo has done the same with his sister and many others before- and that’s exactly what he did. He killed Josh for power. He killed Tracy for power - both without hesitating or blinking- and I am not going to rid him of the responsibility for his horrible actions by woobifying him and excusing him as Deucalion’s poor little manipulated victim. Theo was a manipulative power hungry backstabbing murderer who ruthlessly used and destroyed people for his goals long before Deucalion came along.
So no, it was not Scott’s doublecross that cost Josh and Tracy their lives and Scott’s plan did not include purposefully risking their lives either. There was not even a need for that for Scott’s plan to work. Sorry, but it is kind of mind-blowing concept to me that someone could actually believe that there is somebody other than Theo-especially Scott- to blame here.
Theo did decide all on his own to go after Deucalion to get information on how to steal the beast’s power, Theo decided all on his own to kill Josh and Tracy so their power would help them kill the beast and all Scott did was using his connection to Deucalion as a strategic advantage to get a spy into the enemy’s camp who would get him some intel on Theo’s plan, the talons for Malia and maybe drop some misinformation. That’s what a good strategist and tactician does. They also use the means available to them and weigh the risks and for Scott those were tolerable because his plan never included putting Tracy or Josh at risk. What Tracy and Josh put at risk was the fact that they were with Theo.
Deucalion might be an asshole but he was Scott’s asshole, he was the only one who could do the job and Scott is not naive. He is totally willing and prepared to overcome personal dislike and work with not so nice people -and isn’t that what fandom wants him to do, to be more morally ambiguous and to get his hands dirty?- for the greater good. He has done it before and already worked with Derek, Deucalion and Peter to save lives. And that’s exactly what he did here too. He might not approve of Deucalion’s methods or him as a person but neither Deucalion nor Scott are responsible for Josh’s and Tracy’s demise and working with Deucalion surely beat risking someone like Theo getting his hands on the power of the beast, which -as we learned last episode- would have been entirely possible if Deucalion had not convinced Theo that the talons would not work on the beast.
Who’s going to save you?
Liam Dunbar speaking on the behalf of the whole fandom (via shelleyschennig)
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Did you find something? A solution?
Yeah. It was you. It was you, Lydia
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Honestly, the more people hate on Theo fans for wanting him to stay in S6 the more petty I become & hope he stays just to piss y'all off. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Well I think there are some things to consider.
The first thing is that if he stays, he absolutely CAN NOT stay as a redeemed character. He murdered the main character and terrorized a whole lot more. If this show even so much as attempts to redeem him, then I will personally go to Viacom headquarters and start a hostage situation until they fix it.
The next thing is that if he does stay on the show, and continues to be evil, then that means we all have to deal with yet another evil white dude being allowed to live and thrive and it will get soooooooo boring and annoying and just make people angry.
So like… even if he is still around for seasons 6, what the hell would he even be doing? He can’t be in Scott’s pack. He can’t be associated with Scott at all tbh outside of just that guy that Scott hates. He can’t be the main big bad because he isn’t powerful enough. He can’t just go to school like a normal person and get his own storyline happening separate and parallel to Scott’s because he’s not that important of a character. There is literally nothing to do with him. He has to die.
I mean, I get the sentiment IN THEORY because I too am a being motivated by pettiness and spite, but the thing is….Theo is a villain. It’s not like people having negative feelings towards one of the main cast. People hating Theo and wanting him gone - there are lots of valid reasons for people to feel that way because of all the awful canon shit he’s done including betray and murder the main character, use and terrorize multiple other characters, kill other characters (like Josh - twice), manipulate characters like Liam into doing things like trying to kill Scott after poisoning Scott, putting Lydia in a fucking catatonic state via invading her memories…
So yeah, I dunno. It’s one thing to be a fan of a character and want them to stick around, even a problematic character. I get that. It’s fine to be a fan of the bad guys. But like…you have to remember…they’re the bad guys? Kinda feel like there’s not much grounds for being petty and dismissive of other people wanting Theo gone….when the reasons they want Theo gone aren’t ‘oh he gets in the way of my ship’ or ‘he steals focus from my faves’ or any of the other irrational, personal reasons people hate various characters….but rather…because he is a villain who has done disgusting, villainous things to pretty much every character on the show and people don’t want to sit through another season of that.
Idk, like…if you find him compelling and want him around more, sure, its whatever. But as long as you don’t act like it’s no different from people being petty as a reaction to attitudes towards Stiles or Malia or Kira or Scott or Liam. Cuz it is. It’s an entirely different thing. Being a fan of a canon villain character means…you are a fan of a canon villain character. People are going to want that character gone, and they’re not going to be wrong to want that - because we are talking about a villainous character who has murdered and used and violated peoples’ fave characters, as in the actual heroes and main characters of the show. And shockingly, people don’t always want to see that happen over and over again. *Shrugs*
I just remembered that in the last episode before the season finale, Scott told Theo not to trust Deucalion and Theo basically laughed at him.
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i agree about scott but cody isn't white so neither is theo cody is biracial bc he's also native american
omg, You are totally right. I forgot about that.Theo’s ethnicity is not stated in canon but Cody is definitely native American on his mother’s side so I am going to correct that immediately.
So please, fandom, for once, do not do the thing where you on the one hand blame Scott for not killing the bad guys and then turn around and blame him for not immediately jumping into the hell hole after the attractive woobified villain who killed him and betrayed and hurt him and his pack many, many times and who would literally not hesitate plunging a knife in Scott’s back while he is still busy pulling him out of that hole.
Can you tell us if you think the character Theo on Teen Wolf will be a good Alpha?
Alternative version of the scene where Deucalion reveals to Theo that he has been played all along where instead of lifting his glasses he whips out his Scott McCall fan club membership badge.
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I guess you can call it character development that Chris Argent finally starts pointing his gun at people who deserve it - like his own father- instead at Scott.