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i watched whiplash recently
Chapters: 5/5 Fandom: Pluribus (TV 2025) Rating: Teen And Up Audiences Warnings: Creator Chose Not To Use Archive Warnings Relationships: Carol Sturka/Zosia, Manousos Oviedo & Carol Sturka, Helen/Carol Sturka, The Others & Carol Sturka Characters: Carol Sturka, Zosia (Pluribus), Manousos Oviedo, Laxmi (Pluribus), Tom Cruise (conceptually), also Ravi & Rick Summary:
One thing about Tom Cruise is that he had had aliens in his brain long before there were aliens in his brain, Carol thinks, so probably this was all going really great for him.
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post-s1. world-saving for the world-weary or whatever. [complete]
Shane: having a whole ass bottomed out existential crisis after coming out to his parents and having thoughts of the future
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me when the winter soldierâs theme comes on in ca:tws
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Frankenstein (2025)
I'm going to start with everything I liked about this movie.
I respect the gumption to have changed so much about the novel. The idea that Frankenstein (of the novel) was an unreliable narrator when he claimed that his creature was the one who had killed Elizabeth is a potentially interesting one.
The concept that Frankenstein was an abusive father rather than one who immediately abandoned the creature also had the potential to be interesting. That was a sequence that really engaged me.
There was the occasional shot taken from within a dark interior with a very bright exterior, and I thought that pattern of playing with stark contrast & bringing attention to the 'framing' capabilities of architecture was interesting.
Victor's father disliking his wife and Victor for their darker colouring and favouring William for his light skin, blue eyes, and blond hair could have been interesting if it had gone anywhere.
Victor's ivory figurine and Elizabeth's coral necklace are also potentially very interesting if we think about the material history of these objects. Victor's father says "ivory doesn't bleed"âbut the elephant killed for its tusks certainly did. Elizabeth represents "life" to Victor (also could have been interesting had it been... problematised at all...), and coral was beloved of Victorians for its 'lifelike,' natural shapeâbut you can only admire that shape if you kill it. Which is a nice parallel to Elizabeth's fascination with entomology. (If only this aspect of her character had gone anywhere.)
Victor's endeavours being funded with arms sale money also could have been interesting.
Okay, fun time's over. Here are the rest of my thoughts:
This didn't feel like a movie that had a lot to say. There were no multiple valences to understand things on, no multiple threads to pull, nothing to unpick or to chew on, nothing complex or contradictory. This was a movie with one thing that it wanted to say, and it hammered on it again and again. I said "I get it" out loud multiple times.
I started out taking notes about the visual symbolism to use in this post, but honestly, it's so repetitive and so exaggerated that it doesn't feel like I've pulled anything out or noticed anythingâit feels very surface-level, and just tedious to recount. There's red blood on the white ice. Victor's father feeds his mother a bite of white food with red blood on it. Victor is dressed in a white shirt that gets covered with red blood. Victor looks at a white ivory figure of a pregnant woman. "Ivory does not bleed, Victorâflesh does." His mother's white tomb effigy becomes red in his nightmare. After his mother's death he dresses in red and black. His father's tomb effigy is black.
Victor's gloves are red because he has blood on his hands. Elizabeth comes over and they eat white pudding covered in something red. Victor's cadavers are all super white like ivory. The lab has a white female figure on the wall, calling back to his mother's funeral effigy. Elizabeth is always in green and teal and has green gloves because she represents life (we know this because the voiceover very helpfully tells us this explicitly, just in case we could somehow miss it). Except when she has touches of red because she's interested in what Victor is doing. She goes over to show him a trapped butterfly and talks about how it has white blood and she has bits of red on her dress but puts on her green outerwear as she's leaving. Victor makes sure to pull out and look at the pregnant ivory figurine and then look at the white-fleshed creature just in case we could somehow have missed where that was going. I already got it but thanks.
At the demonstration of his 'prototype' at university, Victor says "birth is not in our hands, is it?" The response from the audience is "No." Victor then says, "That's in God's hands"âright where I was expecting him to say that it was in women's hands. The blank space figured by women in this scene (even as Victor says that he can best God and pursue Nature to her hiding place) is very loud. Then he shows the grotesque prototype and says "hair-thin scarsâno coarse stitchery needed with my own technique." If we read this as Victor commenting on medicine / surgery, including army medicine, there could be something there. If we read "stitchery" as another nod towards women and how disrespected and invisible feminised work is, there could be something there.
But it's just overlaid with this tone of unpleasant smarminess. The smarminess of something that feels that it's very, very clever, while never really showing you anything very clever. Because of course this line is primarily (solely?) a commentary on the visual imagery of other adaptations of Frankenstein.
The prototype is extremely white by the way, and so is the white and red anatomy figurine that's in Herr Hollander's study that's almost identical to it. The camera frames it and then doesn't move for several seconds just in case you could miss it. Herr Hollander has mercury in the ivory handle of his cane.
Herr Hollander explains the symptoms of syphilis, presumably for the audience's benefit. But we don't really get a lot of the medical or cultural ideas surrounding syphilis in the Victorian era (or gonorrhea, at the time there was no difference), what was understood about it, anything that would connect it to Victor's father's earlier quizzing, where for some reason he asks him about humourism (already a very outdated concept at the time this is set, even though he's then presented as a rationalist?). This is a film very uninterested in Victorian medical discourses, and yet GDT chose to take a novel largely about medicine and set it in the Victorian era...? There are so many opportunities for the film to have something to say where it just doesn't.
The one message that it does seem to have is just a phenomenally misogynist one. Frankenstein is partly motivated by a desire to "play God," but also to efface or replace the role of women in reproduction. This is, like, baby's first Frankenstein take. It's not a bad take, and it could have gone somewhere. But instead the film is just like: Elizabeth represents Life and Womanhood and the Value of Motherhood, she has a speech about the Evils of War and how those Men were Somebody's Sons and a female Woman Mother birthed and nurtured them, but if the Men don't understand that they should run off and play with their little cigars (this is all stated directly in the dialogue helpfully, just in case we could have missed it). This is very contrary to Victor, who is a Man and Not Nurturing and taking money from War because of his obsession with Death. Victor doesn't know how to nurture or teach the baby-creature to speak or treat it like his child because he's a Man with a Dead Mother, but this comes easily to Woman Elizabeth.
Elizabeth seems to belong to the Steven Moffat 'feminism is when women have cool epic speeches and are cool and mysterious and sexy and, most importantly, largely metaphorical' school of writing women.
I'm having difficulty articulating what I mean here. It could have worked for Elizabeth to have seen something that the men in this situation didn't see, because she's a woman. It could have worked for Elizabeth to have a perspective related to her experience of gender that the men don't have. That's not what I feel is misogynistic here. But it didn't feel like a well-rounded character with a backstory and experiences (which experiences include facing misogyny) having thoughts and opinions and performing actions based on those experiences. It felt more simplistic than that, like all of her words and actions were arising naturally from the wellspring of her gender, rather than from her experience with being gendered.
This is where cutting out the "she had been basically engaged to Victor from birth" thing really hamstrings this film. By being engaged to Victor's brother, Elizabeth's "life-ness" is tied to the lighter, whiter, innocenter sibling (and this is never troubled!!). She's forbidden and mysterious and cool and Victor only meets her later in his life. She doesn't grow up knowing that she's expected to take a certain feminised role (i.e. "wife," "childbearer," "childrearer") to this man. Victor doesn't take her for granted in the same way. This is where her experiences with misogyny could have come from! This is what should make her empathise with the creature, not Natural Female Woman Mother Instinct! I'm not against changes being made, it's just that if the change makes you lose something, you should replace it with something that works at least as well. But instead Elizabeth is just River Song-ified.
Elizabeth's uncle tells Victor that, if he puts him in the "perfect new body," Victor can have "anything you wantâeven Elizabeth!" So Elizabeth, and Elizabeth's body, the legal right to have sex with Elizabeth no matter what, Elizabeth's presumed childbearing ability, are being used as a bargaining chip. That's great! Do more with that!! Has Elizabeth been privy to this attitude in her uncle before? What does she think of it? Give me something here!
The creature when he's 'brought to life' hangs on the cross like Jesus for quite a while (just in case you could miss it) and then Victor shows him the sun but just says that single word, "sun," such that it could also be "son." They both stand in the light for a moment. So now I'm thinking, Victor is playing God, so the creature is his son, Jesus... Jesus is 'the light of the world'... So Victor is Prometheus (like in the novel's subtitle), bringing light to the world... and then later Victor tries to kill, i.e. sacrifice, the creature, like Jesus was sacrificed? I can feel there's something that's supposed to be working here and I just feel like it's not, it's kind of an abortive parallel. Victor doesn't try to sacrifice his creature in order to benefit the world, he does so because he gave up trying to benefit the world with this technology. Is that it? It's an inversion? Like Dark Jesus? It just feels like a weird little pocket of the movie that wasn't continued anywhere else. But maybe I'm not up on my Christian iconography.
When William tells Victor "You're the monster" he should have been looking directly at the camera.
The plot made no fucking sense. Nobody's motivations made any sense. The first thing we see of Frankenstein's creature is a big murder spree where he kills a bunch of innocent sailors, because he wants Victor. But then we learn... that he didn't kill William. And he didn't kill Elizabeth. This is the first time he's killed anybody. So why is he suddenly so inclined to murder like eight guys in this total bloodbath? And then, over the course of one conversation (for us, it's the whole movie, but for them, it's maybe 20 minutes of time, in contrast with the months and months that he's been repeatedly tracking Victor down), he's suddenly not murder-y anymore?
I'm not denying that characters motivations can change, but there's just nothing that should have made the creature zig-zag back and forth like this. I think the real reason is that GDT wanted the movie to start out scary and then have a wholesome ending. The fact that this makes the creature incomprehensible was not a consideration. Idk.
Similarly, Victor throws corpses around like it's nothing, he's really disregardful of them in a scene that was very intriguing, even though it kind of read like if Tim Burton's Sweeney Todd had been unrelentingly serious. Then he doesn't run away immediately disgusted by the creature (which makes sense, it would have been very odd to see him so deep in gore and throwing around chunks of flesh and kicking them, and then being like oh ugh ew a flesh creature, and running away). But later Victor gets angry because he doesn't think the creature is capable of speech or 'higher' intelligence. So he tries to kill him. And then the creature finds him and is capable of speech. So now we expect Victor to be happy and like, The Dream is Back On, let me contact the medical schools, let's go on tour, right? No, he's changed his mind.
Again, that's okay, characters can change their mindsâbut we just get nothing of the "why." It's one line of dialogue. Victor is like "it took me so long to regain my sanity again." Making the creature and playing God and trying to defeat death was "insanity," and now Victor doesn't want anything to do with the creature because, um, uh, he snapped out of it. He's back to a previous state of "sanity" now (not sure how 'previous' that state must have been, because this was presented at the beginning of the film as a very, very longstanding interest of his, beginning with Prototypical Dead Mother, but whatever, I guess he's over it now). And we're meant to be convinced of that enormous change in motivation within the space of 3 seconds. So flimsy. Sucks.
They woobified the creature. He didn't kill William, he didn't kill Elizabeth (treating her as an extension of or tool to use on Victor rather than her own person), he demanded a companion but didn't demand a female companion, didn't demand that a woman be made to, presumably, be compelled to have sex with him, didn't inherit a bunch of misogynist ideas from Paradise Lost, didn't insist on the value of his own life. He just wanted to die and end his suffering. A story about how being one kind of outsider doesn't necessarily give you empathy with another kind of outsider, a story about the cruelty people are capable of when they're treated with cruelty, a story about how the value of a life you're not included in can seem abstract and unimportant, a story about how harmful ideas are perpetuated and enactedâbecomes a story about how the creature is just super misunderstood. People keep thinking he killed people, even though he didn't!
That's fine, it's fine to change things, but if you take something away from the film, you should make sure that what you get in return is at least as compelling. And the issue of "interpretation" and "misinterpretation" never went anywhere, because this film was so averse to making anything ambiguous. More on this later.
I don't even automatically hate having the creature and Victor forgive each other. There's a universe where that works. There's a film out there in the aether somewhere that makes that compelling, interesting, troubling, earned, anything. Unfortunately it is not this film.
And then Victor is like "live! you have to live! don't be afraid to live!" Um, yeah, he's been repeatedly trying to do that! But every time he tries somebody goes "Augh, what is that thing? Shoot it!" and then they do!! That's what we've spent the last hour establishing!! Hello??
Despite these glaring plot and character issues, the largest issue I had with the movie was one of tone. And one of technique. It was so self-serious. It was so realist. At no point were we led to believe that anything that was shown on screen didn't "really" happen. Everything shown was 1:1 reality, as if a camera had been in the room when the events of the film occurredârather than a technique where what the camera shows you is more like somebody's interpretation of a scene, for instance. The film did not want to become surreal, it did not want to become non-linear, it did not want to become ambiguous.
But then on the other hand it was so, so saturated. The imagery was so insistent and repetitive, and the colours so imbued with textual and thematic meaning. The title cardsâ"Frankenstein's Story," "The Creature's Story"âbrought attention to the function of the film as narrative, the camera as something that is not only showing but making the story, the framing device of Frankenstein's speech, his telling of the story to an audience who must interpret it (diagetically, in the form of the ship captain, and extradiagetically, in the form of the viewer), being what leads us into the visual representation of the story. But then the visual representation of the story we see does not call attention to itself as representation or interpretation, does not fall into the ambiguous or surreal, is so realist! As if a camera was in the room! And it's just a really poor choice. The technical toolbox of this film is very limited. As if nobody involved was clever enough to know how to use film to tell a story, or as if they were afraid to make anything confusing to the audience. Because God forbid the audience miss anything.
#when we finished watching it I pointed out that the interaction between Victor and his brother #the you're the monster scene #Is in the creatures narrative #So we're to believe that the creature knows this happened somehow? Super hearing? Cope? (via @drumlincountry)
Oh my god... I didn't even notice that...
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I donât think Tashiâs look of disgust when Art kisses her knee is actually about him. Itâs at herself. Their dynamic is so entirely shaped by power, by the fact that Art is lesser than her. Sheâs better at tennis, better at keeping her control, better at getting Patrick to fall into her bed. Itâs the uncaring idol and the tortured devotee. Hell, itâs outright stated; she asks âwhat am I, Jesus?â and he says âyesâ like itâs obvious. Even the way they sit in that scene shows how Tashi is a religion to him, kissing and bowed over her lap like in prayer. Which is why, to a woman who buys into that dynamic, who also thinks of herself as God to Artâs worshipper, itâs so disgusting that she truly does love him. Tashi adores him. Not even close to as much as she adores tennis, but she does. Right after that scene she goes and asks Patrick to throw the match - because if Art loses, she leaves him. And she doesnât want to have to leave him. It goes against what she knows. God is not supposed to make sacrifices for mere mortals. Achilles is not meant to swoon at the soft weakness of his heel. But here she is, seeing the chip in her armour and thinking it lovely anyway. Hence the look.
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Just an absolute fucking orb of a creature
what are your favourite fantasy books? I miss reading that genre tbh it was what I read mostly during my childhood and teens and I feel like I should come back to it
thank you for asking! let me talk about my faves in no particular order or grouping.
piranesi by susanna clarke. lovely subtle prose, labyrinths as a motif, a haunting reading experience.
the abhorsen / old kingdom trilogy by garth nix. a huge personal favourite. women necromancers using bells as weapons, death as a river with 9 gates, gods trapped in pet cat bodies, much to enjoy, a touch of horror, surprising humour. i think they're brilliant
rose daughter by robin mckinley. still the best beauty and the beast retelling i've read.. the prose is dense in its paragraphs, like an overgrown garden itself. reading it is an immersive and soothing experience for me and my copy of it is a tattered friend at this point
the orphan's tales: in the night garden + in the cities of coin and spice (duology) by catherynne m. valente. no words to describe how good this is. layered fairytales within fairytales... a girl in a garden with tattooed stories on her face narrates what she knows to a prince who steals away to listen to her... these are some of the most beautiful books i've read ever
wildwood dancing by juliet marillier. read many years ago, memory fails me, but i remember highly enjoying it. alsoâ a bonus! the cover art is the most beautiful cover art i have seen for a book... kinuko y craft is one of my favourite artists
deerskin by robin mckinley. trigger warnings for incest and rape, but i think it is overall a deeply satisfying book that brings some sort of a sense of strength to its readers... i really love the protagonist and how she survives terrible circumstances and eventually grows into her own... a lovely novel
a dirge for prester john: the habitation of the blessed + the folded world (duology) by catherynne m. valente. about the fabled city of pentexore and a priest who finds it and tries to make the fantastical creatures bend to his own religion... some of valente's best work that nobody knows about, the hidden gems of her writing
the silmarillion by jrr tolkien. a classic. the creation myths at the beginning are my favourite part, but all of it is splendid
the bartimaeus sequence by jonathan stroud. from the perspective of bartimaeus the witty djinn and nathaniel, the spoiled teenage magician he serves... such fun! very good books. it's a shame they've faded into obscurity, they were bigger and easy to find in bookstores when i was younger
the queen's thief series by megan whalen turner... ahhh these books have been cherished favourites. between 2020-2021 i blogged about them daily heh they're very dear to me. about a boy thief named eugenides turned king, a queen named attolia with more to her than meets the eye, and a whole other cast of characters very endearing
the magicians of caprona by diana wynne jones. it's a lot like romeo and juliet! rival magical families in a sleepy little italian town, and two bookish tweens from each family befriending each other. Hijinks Ensue <3
knife by r.j. anderson plus the following books... about fairies who live in an oak tree in a garden and how the hunter fairy of them who braves birds and cats to bring berries and meat back to the tree falls in love with a human boy.... truly such a good book, gripping and intelligently written
kelly link's short storiesâ especially the constable of abal! which haunts me
at the back of the north wind + phantastes by george macdonald
his dark materials by philip pullman. oh, where to start! i love these books and they are so.... no matter what, you'll have a lot to say and think about them
the priory of the orange tree by samantha shannon. i loved the worldbuilding!
where the mountain meets the moon by grace lin <3 a lovely book inspired by chinese folklore, very pretty illustrations
the fantastical short stories of jorge luis borges... i love his poetry and nonfiction too
lonely castle in the mirror by mizuki tsujimura. a novel about young people who hide away from the world finding a magical castle... more to it, but it's ultimately about coming into oneself and finding the strength to be among others
the manga 'witch hat atelier' by kamome shirahama
the manga 'the girl from the other side' by nagabe
this list got long but . ah well <3
To Wong Foo Thanks for Everything, Julie Newmar (1995)
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This was such a formative movie
This shit was revolutionary for the mid-90s. Among other things it helped me understand that transgender and cross-dressing were completely separate things.
To this day, I am in awe of the fact that Patrick Swayze not only campaigned hard to get the audition, not only auditioned in dress and makeup, but spent most of the day leading up to the audition walking around LA in dress and makeup.
This was a man who could sing, dance, act, ride a horse, fight, and walk in heels, he had nothing to prove to anyone, and he is MISSED.
Okay, Iâm not done feeling about this.
If youâre younger, you may not know Patrick Swayze; he was Taken From Us in 2009. But Patrick Swayze was an icon of masculinity. Men were willing to watch romantic movies because Patrick Swayze was in them.
Patrick Swayze was fucking beefcake.
And this man didnât just agree to do a movie where the only time heâs not actually in drag is the first three minutes, which involve stepping out of the shower, doing make up, and getting Dressed. He has ONE LINE that is delivered in a manâs voice, and itâs not during those three minutes.
And if you watch those three minutes, you see a stark difference between his portrayal of Miss Vida BohĂ©me and Wesley Snipes as Noxeema Jackson. (I am not criticizing Snipesâ performance. They were different roles.) Noxeema was a comedy character. Chi-Chi was a comedy character. But Miss Vida BohĂ©me was a dramatic role, played by a dramatic powerhouse.
When Vida sits down in front of the mirror, she sees a man. And she doesnât like it.
Then she puts her hair up, and her face lights up.
âReady or not,â she says. âHere comes Mama.â
And while Noxeema is having fun with her transformation (at one point breaking into a giggling fit after putting on pantyhose), Vida is simply taking pleasure in bringing out her true self. And when sheâs done, she sees this:
And you can FEEL her pride.
All of this from an actor who, up to this point, walked on to the screen and dripped testosterone.
the fact that some of you history-ignorant children in the notes are trying to shit on groundbreaking historical queer cinema because it doesnât meet 2021 standards is infuriating. sit down, shut the fuck up, and listen to the elders in the room for fucking once
This. If you have never lived in a world where queerness was universally pathologized and criminalized to the point that even IMAGINING a world where it wasnât constituted a radical and potentially dangerous act, you donât have any business judging those of us who have for how we survived it and how we found (or still find) comfort in the few imperfect representations we got.
You donât have to like it. You probably arenât capable of âgettingâ it. And to be honest, I donât want you to! I am glad that young queer people will never know exactly what it was like âback then.â But what you also will not do is refuse to learn your own history and then shit on everything that came before you, because like it or not what came before you is the reason you will never have to get what it was like back then.
On Wesley Snipesâs role Noxeema and John Leguizamo as Chi-Chi Rodriguez.
âI grew up in the â70s and even within the street culture, there was a lot of flamboyancy,â Snipes told TODAY of his perception of drag before filming. âPimps wore the same furs as theprostitutes wore.
âSome of the great musicians of the world, like Parliament-Funkadelic, were very androgynous. So it wasnât really new for me to see men dressed as women or men dressed as drag queens.â
Snipes attended the famed LaGuardia High School of Performing Arts and then State University of New York at Purchase. He wasnât a dance major, but most of his friends were. âThat exposed me to the world of glam, vogue, drag, transgender and gay people, LGBTQ⊠but it wasnât in fashion those days. But it existed and I was around it.â
Not only did âPriscilla, Queen of the Desertâ pave the way for âTo Wong Foo,â so did films like the 1968 documentary âThe Queenâ and âParis Is Burning,â the 1990 doc that chronicled ball culture of New York and the various Black and queer communities involved in it.
Even though he was known for his action roles, Snipesâ portrayal of Noxeema wasnât the first time he played a drag queen. In 1986, he made his Broadway debut in the play âExecution of Justice,â playing Sister Boom Boom, a real-life AIDS activist and drag nun who acted as the showâs voice of conscience. Snipes pointed out, âSister Boom Boom did not have Noxeemaâs makeup kit.â
On whether he got any pushback for stepping into Noxeemaâs pumps, he said, âNot so much professionally but the streets werenât feeling it, and there were certain community circles. The martial arts community⊠they were not feeling it at all.â
âIn fact, when the movie came out and they would come down the street, I would see them in Brooklyn sometimes, they started listing all my movies. I noticed they would always skip that one. I would correct them, âNow you donât got the full count!ââ
Lesser-known than his co-stars at the time, Lequizamo didnât really anticipate becoming a transgender icon, but he did know that they were working on something special when they started filming.
âDrag didnât really exist in movies,â Lequizamo, who was nominated for a Golden Globe for his portrayal, told TODAY. âThere were straight men pretending to be women to get out of trouble or into trouble but this was not that. I was trying to make Chi-Chi a real life trans character and Patty and Wesley were trying to be real drag queens.â Never fully articulated in the film, Chi-Chi Rodriguez has always been perceived as transgender, something that ending up making an indelible mark on LGBTQ people in the late â90s as trans representation in media was limited.
âChi-Chi was a trans icon, but she also showed us that gay men and trans women can both perform and work in drag side by side, and that those relationships are symbiotic,â Cayne explained.
âIt was a powerful thing. I get lots of fan mail from LGBTQ teens telling me how my character helped them come out to their parents,â Leguizamo said. âThey didnât feel like they were seen, so that was a beautiful gift from the movie.â
Lequizamo also articulates that if âTo Wong Fooâ were cast today, a trans actor should be cast in his role. (And that just may happen, since Beane is developing a musical for Broadway.) âAnybody can play anything, but the playing field is not fair that way,â he said. âNot everybody is allowed to play everything. So until we get to that place, it is important for trans actors to get a chance to act which they donât. In the project Iâm doing, Iâm making sure that the person playing trans is a trans person so we can make it legit, make it real. That just needs to be done right now.â
Source: How Hollywood heartthrobs and Steven Spielberg helped make a drag queen cult classic
a monumental film in the library of queer history.
it was formative for modern society, too.
there are a lot of action fans out there who learned from their idols that respect doesnât cost a damn thing to give. i know plenty of people who arenât queer saw trans women and drag queens presented as people to them for the first time in wong fu. suddenly, strange and foreign queer identities that had only been presented to them as jokes if theyâd even heard of them, seemed a little more relatable, and very human.
weâre all just people.
snipes, swayze, and leguizamo were willing to play people a lot of their fans didnât respect yet or didnât even know how to respect and demand they figure it the fuck out.