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I am physically unable to say anything mean about Aaron, ever.
I support Aaron's rights and his wrongs, nothing he can do will ever make me hate him, sorry!
For me, Aaron doesn't owe Robert anything - their relationship, his apologies, his forgiveness.
Why should Aaron believe what Robert is saying? He's harbouring anger and pain from being completely abandoned (rightly or wrongly) and now Robert has gone back on his promise to stay away from him and his relationship.
He will apologise about John when it comes out, because he will feel guilty because that's who he is, but he doesn't owe Robert an apology for not running back to him or trusting his word because he has no reason to believe him right now.
How else did people think Aaron was going to react? It's clear that he was/is so traumatised by how Robert left him (aka acted like he didn't exist and cut him from his life completely) that it is obvious that his behaviour is an act of self-preservation. Years of built up anger and pain isn't going to leave just because Robert is back and has decided he wants Aaron again - Aaron would be stupid to just let him back in. Him acting 'unbothered' is a form of protection (and we know it's all gonna be bullshit anyway).
Aaron is allowed to feel how he feels - in his head, Robert left him, destroyed him, and is now back acting like they can go back to normal when in reality 6 years have passed and they are both different. It was never going to be easy or simple.
I don't get why people keep saying Louis doesn't love Armand. It doesn't work if he doesn't!
episode four isnât even officially out in most of the world and the number of vile racist takes iâve seen about louis and armandâs park scene is already crazy.
this episode has armand explain to louis that both his current name and the name he had before that, âamadeo,â were forced upon him: âamadeoâ by a man who bought him from a brothel and then âdonatedâ him for his sexual services to his friends, âarmandâ by the coven that burned down the only home he had at that point and forced him into their ranks.
he ends his story asking louis âwho am i, louis? am i my history that has happened to me? am i my job i do not want?â
in the scene in the park, louis first offers him a way out of the âjob [he] does not wantâ and, then, calls him by his birth name, âarun,â the only thing armand has from before his âhistory that has happened to [him],â the only name that wasnât forced upon him by an european master, a name from his homeland. and surely we all can see how louis, a black man from the united states, might see the value in reconnecting with oneâs roots after being ripped from them and sold into slavery, right? and why he might want to offer armand freedom from a role that was forced upon him? right?
can there be a less charitable interpretation of the scene? sure. is louis being manipulative? i mean, itâs what jacob said in the episode insider, letâs run with it! but to jump straight from louis using armandâs birth name in this scene to saying that he called him by his âslave name,â that he was âacting like a pimp again,â or that âthe plantation owner jumped outâ (all real quotes) is, in my opinion, fucking insane.
smarter people than me have already said this, over and over, but we keep coming back to the same tired, disingenous argument. book!lewis was a plantation owner. and book!armand was already a sex slave. sex trafficking and rape were structural to the slave plantation system, and yet there were never widespread arguments about what it meant for lewis and armandâs relationship that lewis was a slaver. so, to act like thereâs some entirely new imbalance or conflict in the show, where louis was a pimp, which wasnât present in the books, is at best very fucking weird, and at worst a willfully racist whitewashing of the history of the transatlantic slave trade.
Possible Racism & Colorism in the IWTV Fandom
Iâve been noticing a lot of things lately in the IWTV fandom that come off as racist or colorist to me. However, Iâm white, so to fans who are people of color, please feel free to comment on this post and share your thoughts on this. I'd really like to know what you think.
The insistence that Louis and Claudia must both be lying about Lestat being abusive to them. Two black characters have said they were abused by a white character, and some fans are determined to make them either be flat out lying or for it all to be some scheme of Armandâs (another person of color). I understand that people are disappointed in the showâs portrayal of Lestat and that the writers made him so horribly abusive, but to say that both Louis and Claudia must be lying about it seems to have some strong racist undertones to me.Â
The vilification of Armand to make Lestat and Loustat look better. Armand is being accused of things the audience doesn't actually have proof of, and these accusations and theories are treated by many fans as facts, because if everything is Armandâs fault and heâs brainwashed Louis, then Lestat â the white character â wasnât actually as bad and itâs all just a trick of Armandâs. This feels especially racist because Armand is the only South Asian main character on the show, and quite possibly one of the only (if not the only) Southeast Asian vampire I personally can recall having ever seen in any media. And I've watched/read a lot of vampire stories, guys. Also, Armand is one of the darkest-skinned characters on the show (Claudia even comments that Armand has darker skin than Louis), so there could be colorism involved here as well. A lot of this seems to stem from people preferring Loustat to Loumand, and while some people may simply prefer one ship to another because of the way they perceive the dynamic and chemistry between the two, others may be behaving this way because they want Louis to be with their "white fav" i.e. Lestat rather than with a man of color i.e. Armand. Many may not even fully realize the underlying bias they have but that doesn't mean it's not there.
The criticism of Delainey Haylesâs casting as Claudia. Certain comments people have made come off as colorism because Delainey has darker skin than Bailey Bass. There was one in particular about how Delainey didnât look âinnocent enoughâ to be Claudia in comparison to Bailey, which seems to stem from people thinking darker-skinned black women are less innocent than lighter-skinned black women. Delainey has been doing a fantastic job as Claudia and doesn't deserve this treatment.
The lack of commentary on Nicki using a racist slur to refer to Armand â g*psy. Yes, that slur was probably a pretty common way many people referred to Romani people back then, so the writers were being historically accurate, but itâs still a slur and people have spent more time talking about how they think Armand was âwriting Lesmand fanficâ than examining the fact that Nicki was racist toward him and the kind of effect that might have had on Armand. Nicki could have said, âdo you know this person, Lestat?â Instead, he said, âdo you know this g*psy?â which is dehumanizing and shows a clear bias against Romani people & South Asian people who may have been perceived as Romani in places like France during that time period (we donât actually know much about Armandâs exact ethnic background on the show yet so he may or may not actually be Romani). To top it off, the people who claim Armand is lying about his past with Lestat sometimes have implied that he may have been lying about Nicki as well, and therefore may have lied about Nicki being racist toward him. Another example of fans claiming people of color are lying about maltreatment they've faced from white characters. Why aren't more people talking about this?
The coddling and "woobification" of Louis by certain fans. So many fans are determined to give Louis no power in his relationships or agency in his own story despite Jacob Anderson saying that Louis has a lot of power in his relationships. Everything has to be someone elseâs fault. Armand has to be controlling him. Louis has to have been brainwashed to not remember what really happened. He has to be a victim in all his relationships. This is honestly a bizarre way to treat his character. Many fans are not letting Louis be complex, powerful, nuanced, or flawed, and oftentimes they don't even seem to see him for who he really is. I donât know for sure if this one is truly racist per se, but itâs definitely bothersome and I'd really like to know what other people, particularly people of color, think about this treatment of his character by certain fans.Â
Everyone, feel free to reblog and add any other instances of fandom racism & colorism youâve seen. We need to talk about this kind of stuff.
Scary how so many people in the tag think because they have read the books and "understand the characters better" that they can rule everyone else's opinions as wrong and theirs as the truth.
Reading is fundamental.. there is a whole series of books and reading through them you do understand the characters better and why they act the way they do. It is neither opinion or interpretation when it's laid out in black and white. Anne Rice spent a lifetime writing about these characters and what her expectations for and of them were. So read the books..or listen to them through audiobooks. Problem solved đâşď¸
Except that's not what I meant and you know it!
Scary how so many people in the tag think because they have read the books and "understand the characters better" that they can rule everyone else's opinions as wrong and theirs as the truth.
Think the way people talk about Armand on here is quite disturbing, actually.
as an old school hollyoaks fan (aka 2012, aka âchemistry in the kitchenâ), new hollyoaks fans need to realise that they will kill anyone off. for no reason whatsoever, a character WILL be dying. gay, straight, who cares they are going to be DEAD.Â
to me it's really absurd that rafa is like 'wow he was a shitty friend to iris and he has to come to terms with that' my dude you've been a shitty partner and fiance for hiding this? and tk doens't even get to be angry about it?
i don't know what to tell you! you are absolutely welcome to your opinion, you're not going to catch me arguing that people don't have the right to feel however they feel about soap opera twists on the wee woo show. i just...i get it. from a character perspective i totally get it. i get why carlos lied, i get why he kept lying, i get why his focus is more on being a shitty friend (not maintaining the relationship with iris which could have hurt her) than being a shitty partner (keeping this secret which in his head was only hurting him). i get it!
that being said tk would have been well within his rights to be pissed, but he chooses to be forgiving instead because he loves carlos and he understands what a deeply generous and loving and sweet and also insecure and anxious and occasionally dishonest person he's marrying, and he chooses to love ALL of him not just the nice shiny parts
and i just love that!! i love stories about messy imperfect people choosing to love and forgive and grow with one another more than pretty much any other kind!!!!!
just finished greywaren and i feel weird now idk what to do
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