Thoughts and Musings

[twinklestarss]

“How is Jester enjoying her life at sea with Fjord and becoming an art teacher? How are she and the Traveler doing?”

4-Sided Dive Episode 9: That’s Just Right

[r785]

Just feel this is needed with recent FJ resurfacing that Jester couldn't possibly be happy long-term, or that her and Fjord want different things. #Fjorester

[revvethasmythh]

bonus Ashley reaction:

[r785]

I miss the Mighty Nein.

[thebeaubar]

Man the CR fandom has really let head canons become facts to them. Let’s talk about Caleb, Beau, Jester and Fjord. First Caleb was not the first one to realize Jester was hiding her true feelings and emotions that was Beau he was just the first one to publicly announce it to us the fans and the nein. In the art book the notes on Jester detail her hints of hiding her sadness in her first ten episodes, Caleb didn’t reveal this until episode 30 and even then him revealing it isn’t a good thing that wasn’t something for him to reveal.

2nd the Traveler/Rumblecusp situations, first off Caleb never defended Jester, she was perfectly fine. In fact Caleb has issues with the Traveler he just never brought them up because it’s what Caleb does with Jester he’s afraid to tell her the truth about anything. Where as Fjord and Beau are not, even though they both care about her very much they will call her out when needed Caleb will not. Example Beau calling her out for contacting her father secretly without her permission Beau told her it was wrong and confronted her where Caleb let her get away with the letter to Astrid (also not blaming just jester, Nott was also to blame if not more so). Fjord also letting Jester know about his problem with the traveler and being truthful with her.

I point all this out because it seems Liam also agrees thus why he thought Beau and Fjord were better candidates for her then he was. Caleb would do sweet things for jester and could even communicate with her in a nice loving way, the problem is that is also all he could do. He could never really be honest with her one because as Liam said he cares about things more then he does Jester, Liam even stated this on talks that Jester would never be #1 to him. I think the Caleb and Jester friendship is sweet but I despise that some people change the narrative of what’s happened and what the cast has said. No Jester was never in love with Caleb or Beau, no Caleb didn’t treat Jester better then the Beau snd Fjord and no Caleb didn’t know Jester better then either of them. Fjord and Jester was always going to happen and Jester in Beau were always extremely close friends and Caleb and Jester are just friends that’s the truth.

[captainofthetidesbreath]

Honestly, learning that the Critical Role wiki has essentially one admin, and one who gives the impression of being pretty aggressive about immediately locking pages when people make edits they don't personally like, explains why a bunch of pages on the wiki are tonally bizarre and framing things in an absolutely strange manner that isn't reflective of the show or characters at all.

Just sometimes completely detached and sometimes feeling in absolute denial about what's actually happening in the show or with characters.

[captainofthetidesbreath]

Omfg that explains things “Jest*r and Cal*b’s relationship has perhaps evolved the most since the beginning of the campaign” on the wiki. Not meant as shade at all to that ship, that just is incredibly subjective phrasing and a ton of it is written that way

re: the wiki essentially having only one (aggressive) admin

Just so you know, if you attempt to edit that wording to be less subjective, or even take out things like "Jester always asks him questions, teases him, and tries to cheer him up" on the grounds of that she does that for literally everyone, or try to tone down "he understands her most out of the Nein" on the grounds that it's extremely subjective and needs a reference to Jester or Laura literally saying this, it'll probably result in the page getting immediately locked out of IP editing for 24 hours and you'll probably get temporarily blocked from editing. Personal experience.

Like, majority of that section is fine, and I agree Caleb and Jester have a complicated and rich relationship, but it has some sentences that are extremely, like, clearly incredibly subjective and framing extreme interpretive statements as factual to the point it's misrepresenting their relationship and making it seem more than it (textually) is from Jester's side of the relationship. Like, sort of really annoying how the wiki is taking things that are Jester's general personality and inserting it into the section to frame it as it isn't—something that's actually been stated often, that Jester's super friendly personality makes people perceive her intent in a certain way, is an ongoing complication in her friendships and how people relate to her.

Generally, I also just have a problem with wikis making these extreme interpretative statements, then referencing it to "here's a scene that's a conversation" as if it proves anything when it doesn't. "Jester and Caleb had three heart-to-hearts" doesn't prove that he understands her best or that she goes out of everyone to express things she doesn't want people to know. It proves that sometimes they talk—as everyone does! (And I would feel the same way if people made these statements of "they understand them better than anyone else" about Fjord and Jester, or Veth and Caleb, or Beau and Yasha. Provide a reference from the cast or character directly saying it, please. Stop inserting your personal opinions.)

And it seems nobody is allowed to remove it because I've tried. Multiple people have tried.

[dinah-lance]

im being super annoying lately about every single fandom i’m in and i’ll go back to only having feelings quietly in the tags sometime in the future im sure but like if you that the development from think jester questioning her feelings for fjord one (1) time months ago because he was acting different during the pirate arc and she wasn’t sure whether that person he was acting like was his real self or if the guy she met/liked was his real self (doubts that were proved to be wrong like an episode later when he showed that he didn’t give a fuck about freeing ukotoa or avantika or becoming like avantika and he just wanted answers about his past and his powers) to laura confirming jester has only liked fjord all along and jester/fjord being in a relationship now, is somehow retconning instead of, you know, just normal doubts and questions for a person who never had a real friend in her entire life before, let alone someone she was romantically interested in, to have, then i don’t know, don’t reblog my fjorester edits?  block me? touch some grass? i don’t know but like keep it away from me

[r785]

the cr fandom is like a big bunch of dumb kids that jump on a joke train and humilates people that aren't directly or visibly part of the fandom and never second guesses itself. i love this show and the cast and the story they tell and i understand that their jokes ren't meant to hurt anyone but honestly critters are often so insensitve and ignorant as long as it doesn't insult anyone lgbtq+ (and i'm saying that as part of teh lgbtq+ community) and etc.

I agree. I understand it, i feel they don't mean any harm. But that doesn't make it ok or mean people aren't genuinely hurt or affected by these "jokes"

[r785]

All those making fun of Fjords hairloss and treating it as a big joke. I seriously hope you never have to witness someone go through chemo, or suffer from severe alopecia. Both can be extremely traumatic.

The cast made effort to say that Fjord still looked good, Travis and Matt both mentioned people they knew that looked good and pulled off the look.

But the don't forget to love each other fandom makes it seem that anyone who suffers hairloss is ugly and should be mocked and ridiculed.

Fjord was mocked and ridiculed for his appearance his whole childhood. Filing teeth etc. He's dealt with self acceptance the whole campaign. The fandom can just either forget or simply not care for the sake of a laugh.

[r785]

Its crazy how each week theres just so much more Caleb art than any other character in the gallery. This week theres 3 or 4 pieces of Fjord and 13 for Caleb and also Essek.

Maybe it's just a coincidence that Liam picks the gallery.

I've seen far too much great art of other characters that never shows up in the gallery or reel, so it can't be about the quality of submissions.

[r785]

The Critical Role fandom, where a bunch of NPCs can be held in higher regard than a main character of 133 episodes.

"They have to do whatever it takes to stop the city" some how leads to.. OMG Fjord is so evil, he may as well have just unlocked Uk'otoa... The Wildmother should disavow him... Jester won't see him the same way anymore... Fjord needs to be more of a leader and someone has to make the hard decisions... I don't like Fjords decisions..

If you didn't care about what Caleb did to the guards in the Sanatorium then you shouldn't have a problem with what happened to the rangers.

The rangers were simply a bunch of red shirts.

[thebeaubar]

Jester is the most disrespected character in C2 and it’s not even close. People view her as nothing but shipping bait, cared very little about her arc or her well being. People were straight hoping she’d be permanently killed in the middle of travelercon so other characters could RP the angst. Not to mention the weird torture shit people were hoping for when she got caught by Trent and people just straight up ignoring her sexuality and her interest in men, straight and bisexual women do exist.

It’s an absolute disgrace how some treat Jester and I say this as someone who’s doesn’t really have a horse in this race yes Fjorester is cute but it’s not my favorite ship or the one I was even rooting for. I do though 100% respect Jester’s decision to get with Fjord and am happy Laura gets to re-romance her husband and play out the beginning of their relationship again.

Ship what you want but don’t take away her agency which I see a ton of happening. Examples like “Yasha will talk to Jester because she knows the whole story” or “Marion will get involved and tell her first loves don’t always work out”. Posting and saying shit like that you’re essentially saying you don’t give a fuck about Jester and how she feels and you want people to desperately change her mind. It’s hilarious how most claim you love and care for Jester but disrespect her on the daily and only see her as a love interest.

The only time I ever see most of you fuckers talk about her is in a romantic sense. Her friendship with Veth, Beau, and Yasha has pretty much been wiped from existence. I’d take more of you at her word if you put in nearly as much work into meta about Jester as you do the person she was shipped with but that never happens. I’m happy Fjorester’s canon and I’m happy Jester’s happy she’s my 2nd favorite character and I’m loving how much she’s grown as a character.

[lookingformydruid]

If only people cared about Jester's canonical feelings the way they do for every other character

[r785]

#so tired

[r785]

Where are the calls for TW this week? Were there no triggers last night? (there was.) Or is it just further proof that people don't actually care about such things and were just caught up in the faux outrage of the week before?

[cranesofibycus]

At least the people collecting the content warnings rn are *trying* to do something about the gap CR is leaving. It's easy for big name fans on here to rag on that effort without providing any alternatives. Like I'd rather have incomplete trigger warnings than none?

I have no idea why you’re coming into my inbox with this, since all I did was make one singular post about this issue. And that post was about the general way we talk about content warnings and didn’t even mention the fan-run cr content warnings project. 

But anyway. If there’s no professional surgeon around to fix my chronic knee pain, then I’d rather keep taking the pain meds before I let my neighbor cut me open on their kitchen counter.

[r785]

Just thinking how panicked/stressed/concerned Jester is going to be if Fjord takes longer than expected to get out of the HFB.

[r785]

Laura and Travis on Talks this week. Going to be so good.