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Still collecting the full alphabet of the “live, laugh, love” variants if anyone has some good examples.
Bonus if they can fit the “We can’t ___, _____, ____ our way out of this.”
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Humanity has finally reached the stars and found out why no one had contacted us. The universe is in a sad state. As such, Doctors without Borders, Red Cross, and many othe charities go intergalactic.
The thing the recruiters don’t tell you about space battles is that you die slowly.
Ships don’t blow up cleanly in flashes and sparks. Oh, if you’re in the engine room, you’ll probably die instantly, but away from that? In the computer core, or the communications hub? You just lose power. And have to sit, air going stale and room slowly cooling, while you wait to find out if the battle is won or lost.
If it’s lost, nobody comes for you.
It had been about half a day (that’s a Raithar day, probably a bit shorter than yours) and Kvala and I were pretty sure we had lost. Kvala was injured, Traav and I were dehydrated and exhausted, and Louv was dead, hit by shrapnel when the conduits blew.
Most fleets give you something, of course. For Raithari, it’s essence of windgrass. I looked at the vial.
“It’s too soon,” Traav said.
Kvala gestured negation, shakily. She had been burned when conduits blew, and her feathers were charred, and her leftmost eye was bubbly and blind now. Even if we were rescued, she probably wouldn’t survive. “You know we’re losing the war.”
They couldn’t deny that. “It doesn’t mean we lost the battle.”
“Doesn’t it? The Chreee have better technology. Better resources. And they have their warrior code. They don’t care if they die.”
“We can’t give up!” Traav protested. They were young, a young and reckless thar who had listened to a recruiting officer and still believed scraps of what they had been told. “Any heartbeat now—”
There was a clunk. Something had docked with our fragment of the ship.
“You see?!” Traav crowed triumphantly.
Kvala exchanged glances with me. The Chreee never bothered to hunt down survivors. What was the point, after all?
The Aushkune did.
There weren’t supposed to be Aushkune here. They were supposed to hide in nebulas.
But if there were—
If there were, we were too late. The windgrass couldn’t possibly destroy our nervous systems in time to stop the corpse-reviving implants, and once you were implanted, it was over—or it would never be over, depending on how you looked at it and whether Aushkune drones were aware of anything—
Footsteps.
Bipedal. The Aushkune were supposed to be bipedal.
And then the blast door opened, and a figure stood in it. My first thought was, robot? That’s almost worse than Aushkune . . . But no, it was a being in some sort of suit.
Who wore suits?
“Friendly contact,” the suit’s sound system blared, as the being moved over to Kvala. “Urgent treatment. Evacuation.”
“Who are you?” Kvala struggled upright.
Despite the primitive suit, the blocky being was using up-to-date medical scanners. “Low frequency right angle shape,” it explained—or maybe didn’t explain. Two more figures came into the room and put Kvala firmly onto a stretcher.
“You’re with the Chreee, aren’t you?” Kvala was not at all happy to be on a stretcher.
“Not Chreee,” the sound system said. “You Man. Soil Starship Nichols.” The being hesitated. “Rescue Chreee as well. On ship. Will separate.”
“You what?” I said faintly. Who would do that?
“Oath,” the being explained.
“What kind of oath? To what deity?”
The shoulders of the being moved up and down. “Several different. Also none. For me, none. Just—oath.”
I exchanged glances with Traav, who looked as unsettled as I was. I had never, ever heard of groups cooperating when they couldn’t even swear to or by the same power.
The being scanned me. “Have water,” it said. “Recommend.”
Raithari have fast metabolisms. I could—would—die of thirst quickly, and painfully.
“Where will you take us,” Traav asked, “after you give us water?”
“Raithari to Raithar. Chreee to Chreeeholm.”
“Chreeeholm would kill them for failing,” Traav remarked.
The being hesitated, and then said, “War news sometimes bad. Sometimes lie.”
We had learned long ago not to believe the recruiting officers, but what did that have to do with anything?
“And you—what?” I asked. “Just fly around looking for battles and rescuing victims?”
The being seemed to consider this. “Best invention of soil,” it said finally.
Most of what it was saying didn’t make any sense. Did it worship soil? But it had said that it had sworn to no deity . . .
Madness.
On the other hand—war was a deliberate, rational act by deliberate, rational people, and I wanted no more of it. So why not embrace madness and see what happened?
“Soil Starship—Rrikkol?” I asked, stumbling over the word.
“Yes. Soil Starship Nichols.”
I followed the being in the suit.
Took me well over a minute to realize "low frequency right angle shape" was Red Cross.
I love how this shows the weirdness both of language and of culture. Excellent writing!
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This is what took me a moment.
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And actually that’s something I really struggle with in terms of leftist vocabulary, it’s really flattened all kinds of bigotry into an undifferentiated mass.
Like, a racist jewish pundit really is different from a self-described Nazi who constantly posts on Stormfront and even as I try to explain that I realize I don’t have the vocabulary to say what I mean.
There are people out there, breaking into the Capitol, wearing clothes celebrating Auschwitz and the mass murder of Jewish people and undesirables.
This is a different phenomenon from holding unconscious bias, voting Republican, or being Ben Shapiro.
I believe this difference is extremely important even if you believe all the things I just listed are bad.
And by calling all of those kinds of people Nazis you limit the ability to talk cogently about each of them, whether it be their similarities or differences.
I’m not trying to minimize anything but more and more I do think that it’s frustrating to have no easy short-hand way to distinguish between the person who says, “I’m not a racist, but…” and the person who says, “I am definitely a racist, I’m proud to be one, and I’m going to try to make the government more racist if at all possible.”
One reason we sometimes choose not to distinguish between the person who says “I’m not a racist, but…” and the person who says “I am definitely a racist”, is that the former is lying or misinformed, and both are going to try to make the government more racist if at all possible. We can use the short-hand “racist” for both, because it is true for both. The abundance of distinct political tendencies that use either argumentative strategy (or even both) leaves us unable to specify further. Is taking the “I’m not a racist” part seriously why you believed that racist Jewish pundit Scott “Scott Alexander” Alexander Siskind was not racist, and possibly still believe that despite the leaked e-mails where he said he was racist but hiding it? Just to be clear, I do not think he is a nazi.
I also don’t quite understand why it is so important to your arguments whether someone is Jewish or not. Like, say there is a person who agitates for race, nation, and state to become one, scapegoats an unpopular minority, advocates for authoritarian rule and a police state, makes what some of their followers seem to regard as calls to terrorist action, and engages in Jingoism. Does it really matter if the unpopular minority is not Jewish people, the conception of race and nation includes Jewish people, or if the person themselves is Jewish? Does that break the analogy somehow? And that’s even assuming that Jewish identity and anti-semitism are mutually exclusive, which is simply not true. For example, I think it’s undeniable that the Soros conspiracy theories are anti-semitic. Do they somehow magically cease to be anti-semitic simply because the son of the PM of Israel shares them? I’m not saying it’s reasonable to call Ben Shapiro a nazi, he’s very much your classical reactionary type. Someone like Milo Yiannopolous, on the other hand, is obviously a nazi.
What I don’t understand about your argument is that we already have concepts to distinguish various kinds of right-wingers. When we don’t use them, it is because they are not immediately relevant, or because we don’t have enough information to classify the person or act. Some people are also just not politically educated enough to use terms accurately, a problem you can’t solve by demanding the creation of new terms for them not to learn. But by all means, if you want to try to establish a formal political taxonomy, go right ahead. First off, is the taxonomy going to be morphological or phylogenetic?
Actually, how and why someone is racist matters a lot, for two reasons.
1. Severity of policy supported, and
2. Degree of evidence necessary to exit the state “racism”
For “it’s probably half-true, or at least very difficult to disprove,” you get… not much difference in willingness to experimentally fund interventions, not much difference in willingness to be convinced by successful interventions.
But you were supposed to be searching for working interventions anyway. Even if everyone is completely not racist or is “anti racist,” you still have to actually run experiments on what works, and these will even overlap experiments based on poverty/etc.
For someone with a potentially high natural racial attachment, it’s possible nothing will convince them. Though I doubt many such individuals exist.
For contemporary left-wing alternative racism, it’s driven by angst over differences in outcomes, and so is unlikely to go away without convergence of outcomes. Without effective interventions, this means it can persist indefinitely.
Sometimes it can also be driven by high racial attachment, but in a world where the outcomes were far more equal, I suspect the highly racially attached might be ejected from the coalition.
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For “it’s probably half-true, or at least very difficult to disprove,” this doesn’t suggest not finding interventions for the half that is false.
Mostly it suggests not banking everything on the premise that it is completely false - which you shouldn’t be doing anyway when it’s tough to find interventions that work, since you could wind up wasting materials and manpower that could have done a successful intervention instead.
Since levels of Hereditarianism can provably reach those of the US in 2006 when Idiocracy was released without the country turning anything like Nazi Germany, there doesn’t appear to be a pressing danger, and there are no closed loops like in Communist or Nazi ideology where it becomes impossible to prove someone’s innocence.
In light of all that, how is this not just left-wing people complaining about spiritual contamination? Why is this important?
How is this not just useless moralizing from a broad faction that has consistently failed to produce interventions that work, not only on the basis of group but for wealth as well? Why should we lend much credence at all to the opinions of a group who, metaphorically, insist they know automotive engineering (and that the other guys definitely don’t know automotive engineering) but can’t seem to produce cars?
>One reason we sometimes choose not to distinguish between the person who says “I’m not a racist, but…” and the person who says “I am definitely a racist”, is that the former is lying or misinformed, and both are going to try to make the government more racist if at all possible.
You. You’re part of the problem. Sometimes people actually aren’t racist but they know folks like you will kafkatrap them.
Denying your racism is not a sign of racism.
>I also don’t quite understand why it is so important to your arguments whether someone is Jewish or not. Like, say there is a person who agitates for race, nation, and state to become one, scapegoats an unpopular minority, advocates for authoritarian rule and a police state, makes what some of their followers seem to regard as calls to terrorist action, and engages in Jingoism. Does it really matter if the unpopular minority is not Jewish people, the conception of race and nation includes Jewish people, or if the person themselves is Jewish?
For one thing, if the person is Jewish, it makes it much less likely that person is a white supremacist. Especially when the people who the accusation is aimed at believe in idpol.
Also, I know what you were implying, but that description also applies to a lot of leftists. Including far-leftists. You’re also implying that accusations of bigotry are commonly based on that detailed criteria. Which they aren’t.
You’re Texas Sharpshooting.
I’m also pretty sure you aren’t describing Ben Shapiro.
I think precision is very important, especially when there are folks literally endorsing terrorism against fascists.
No, wait, fascists and white supremacists.
No, wait, fascists and white supremacists and white nationalists.
No, wait, fascists and white supremacists and nationalists, period.
No, wait, fascists and white supremacists and nationalists, period, and anyone they deem “close enough”.
No, wait, fascists and white supremacists and nationalists, period, and anyone they deem “close enough” and anyone who criticizes antifa.
Do you know how many times I an other anti-authoritarians have been called “Nazis” or Nazi-adjacent for doing precisely that? When we’re criticizing antifa for being counterproductive and hurting innocent people?
EDIT: In fact, I checked my archives, and you, personally, have done precisely that. You called me a “cryptofascist” for criticizing SocJus. And you defended antifa’s “eh, good enough” criteria. (Backup. )
thosearentcrimes alao called Milo Yanniapolis a fucking Nazi.
Like, I’m pretty sure the dude being gay and liking black cock means he’s not a Nazi.
He’s also explicitly against idpol, explicitly including white supremacy.
Explicitly.
Isn’t he also Jewish? Or is that someone else I’m thinking of?
An openly gay Jewish immigrant who likes black men, married one, and is against white supremacy.
I have yet to see a single detractor even try to reconcile any of those, IIRC. Even if he’s a white supremacist, somehow, the odds other 88ers would accept him is approaching zero.
Hitler wasn’t blonde, blue eyed, or German. Stalin was an-ex-seminarian bank robbing Georgian, not a proletarian Russian. Radical groups can’t afford to be picky about their members or representatives, especially ones who can make the movement a big PR splash.
Radical groups make sub-optimal decisions all the time, by definition.
And all the “evidence” Milo is a Nazi is circumstantial, at best.
If I see a bunch of people doing Heil Hitlers at a gay dude singing on stage in a bar, I’d assume they were trying to intimidate him. Milo’s detractors said it was solidarity, and his lack of reaction proves he supported them.
Not that he was ignoring the trolls. Or as he claims, didn’t see them at all.
I’ve seen people claim Milo “worked with Nazis”. Which turned out to be a very dishonest way of phrasing “interviewed Nazis, in his role as a journalist”.
I once saw someone who said Milo was bad because he took a picture with someone who was supposedly far-right. As if Milo is going to do a FBI background check on every fan who walks up and asks for a picture.
And if far-right groups are willing to ignore their own prejudices when convenient, wouldn’t it be a good idea to use that as a wedge issue? To weaken said prejudices? Why try to attack Milo for it, instead of his supposed alt-right supporters and their beliefs?
Oh, right. Because that would weaken the narrative that the far-right are a deadly, immediate threat to all minorities.
Denying your racism is not a sign of racism.
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