something I find interesting about the newest TADC episode that I personally haven't seen point out yet
we don't see Gangle's comedy mask at all. I think for the first time, though I'm not certain. she starts out the episode with the tragedy mask. we don't see the comedy mask break as in other episodes
i think it can be interpreted in various ways, but to me it points to character development. thanks to the convo she had with Zooble in episode 6, their growing relationship, etc, maybe she feels it's less necessary to "put on the happy mask", and just lets herself be like this. although her tragedy mask is also a mask-shaped, I personally interpret it as her face bc it doesn't break. and the comedy mask is the "masking" mask, if that makes sense. so this is her accepting that it's okay not to put on a mask in front of people.
Touch averse Alastor except he accepts the touch of his shadow tendrils and uses them often e.g. to undress and dress like Vox did with his cables. Also when he's not controlling them directly they still read his subconscious and act as little helpers.
but all those alastor’s fan who are mad because no-one went to save alastor do even watch the show?
we know that charlie can’t break the pact sinners made (or she would have already saved angel) and nifty and husk were right there when alastor made his pact with vox: they heard him made a pact and knew there wasn’t anything they could do (and also, they probably thought that alastor had something in mind)
and also in the finale, when charlie went to emily instead of alastor, why do people expected her to go to alastor? and not to the one who was actually hit by the angelic beam, while trying to save alastor nonetheless? and also, emily was more of a friend to charlie this entire season and helped her, while alastor was busy with his master plan (that was only about himself)
Something that I haven't seen getting talked about enough regarding Vox (because his crash out over Alastor overshadows it) is that he cannot handle having power. He wants to so so so so badly, but the moment he gets any, he starts losing his mind.
I mean, look at his cult room just before his death.
Like babe, why are you standing in a pool? Why did you hang up all these TVs? This is so clearly manic, it's kinda insane.
And then in hell, sure Alastor adds fuel to the flame, but the moment Vox starts getting more power, feels there is more to grasp, he is starting to lose his cool. That man is not meant for being powerful, he needs some good dom to puppy train him or something so he can get all the affirmation he so desperately needs from that.
Ugh, having to wait for the last episodes over two more days is torture when I'm so hyperfixated. Feels like I might just explode from all the anticipation.
Here's some basic predictions regarding Hazbin Hotel season 2 finale from me, based on what shots/lines from the main trailer we haven't seen yet and my personal hopes:
- Lilith makes a move
- Alastor gets his staff fixed/becomes powerful, and by the end he's back at the hotel
- Emily goes rogue and joins in with the hotel crew because Sara decides to listen to Lute and readies for war after Vox strikes heaven.
- Vox accidentally breaks the deal with Alastor and suffers some pretty bad consequences
- Lucifer gets captured as a battery (potentially use of angelic rope from Helluva Boss?) and he gets a scene of bickering with Alastor. Bonus points if Alastor uses this opportunity to make some kind of deal with him.
- Vox tries to (or at least plans to) ride shock.wav up to heaven
- Out of four songs left, 3 are in episode 7 and only one in 8, because episode 8 will be action packed
- Vees tower (of babel) falls.
- Angel Dust's fate is left up in the air by the end of the season.
Damn, whether it was true or not, Alastor telling Vox that he USED to respect him is a genius move. It instills Vox with the idea that Alastor COULD potentially respect him again. And he's been clearly trying so hard to make him in episodes 5-6. Stupid ass man.
Oh, and Alastor giving him just the tiniest amount of affirmation ("I guess it's something...") when Vox shows off his domination over the other Vees in ep 5. Literally chef's kiss.
Just a little analysis. Nothing too groundbreaking, but I've not seen it put in this comparative way before, so I wanted to contribute. It's been on my mind how both Vox and Alastor are manipulators and schemers but in different ways, and I finally got the way to phrase it.
Basically, I think the difference can be summed up as this: Vox is good at convincing people to follow him and want to listen to him (leader inclinations), while Alastor is good at manipulating people to get them to do what he wants without them being aware of it.
Of course, it's not like these skills are exclusive to them, but Ieach of them has different specialty. Alastor's aligment is background schemer, while Vox's alignment is in-face leader. I think it kinda fits their radio vs TV theming and their backstories. Alastor is the devil on your shoulder, whispering into your ear. Vox has the image, he's THE face.
Alastor HAD to be subtle and secretive. He manipulates how people see their circumstances. While I imagine Vox, whatever exactly he did, was in the face, the leader, and likely very publicly so. He manipulates how others perceive him and others. Like, he can scheme too, he's intelligent, but the way he can lead and inspire and such is what makes him dangerous.
It's interesting how we're also kinda seeing the cracks of that now the Vees are falling apart. While I'm not saying he doesn't care about others at all, it is definitely getting shown that Vox views himself as THE cult leader. Not one of the cult leaders. The others are important as far as they can help him get to his goals and are willing to support him and listen to him. He does not listen to them at all. As soon as he gets any pushback, he gets annoyed.
Even with the other Vees, Vox, in one way or another, has been using the skill of bringing people to his side without commiting to true partnership (internally). The weakness of his leader alignment is that as soon as his image is ruined/he does show cracks, the position of leader becomes very unstable. He needs to remain in control at all times. Basically, he is THE face, so if THE face gets ruined, he's cooked.
Basically, in reality I don't think he thinks Vox brings nothing to the table, but rather sees the way he wields and siezes power as inherently unstable and weak. Vox is not nothing without his support, but he does NEED it. Getting people on his side is his strongest suit and it can get him a shitton of power, but it is conditional. Alastor's ambition is absolute power. After being foolish and ending up as "Rosie's pet", he's not going to risk relying on anything else. Like babe is really into using deals because they ARE specifically binding. Not that he doesn't take risks, but he wants that assurance pretty badly.
For Alastor, it's very different. Obviously, he has the power advantage of his deal with Rosie, but also, he doesn't operate on words - he operates in deals. Even if you see him as the piece of shit he is, it's too late - he already has you in a deal,or he has already gotten what he needs out of you. He doesn't NEED willing support to get what he wants. He manipulates circumstances as much as he does people and takes advantage of the situation pretty well. Not that he's a god tier schemer, and his hubris is at least as bad as Vox's. And the way he operates does mirror his mentality regarding friends and assistance and needing support.
That all also relates to how Alastor has been driving the wedge with the Vees. One might think the other Vees would be annoyed with Alastor, seeing that he's clearly manipulating and spurring Vox on, especially because the manipulation is so obvious. But it's the fact that the manipulation is so obvious and that he does it so publicly that is making it works so well. Because the other Vees aren't going "oh, Vox is getting tricked to act against his self interests" but are instead going "seriously, you are falling for this bait? that reveals a lot about your character, ngl". THE FACE is getting cracked.
While he has not been shown to talk with Vel and Val directly, Alastor is also manipulating them. When he's taunted Vox, it has always been in their presence so far. He is putting up a show and glazing them in comparison to Vox. It's not only about making Vox feel like he's getting undermined and that he needs to be in control, but also about making Vel and Val feel like yes, they are doing all the work and Vox is just freeloading/taking the spotlight.
For example, when Val mentions that it's his and Vel's plan too, he is kinda playing into that. Like bro, you have not shown so far that you care all that much about the plan. And Vox has been orchestrating it all. You are contributing with your resources, but not with your brain. And if Vees betray Vox, stab him in the back, ditch him, etc because they think they're hot shit and because Vox doesn't respect them, that does lose them power, too. Alastor needs to build them up first, so they feel it's only logical for them to ditch Vox.
The thing is, that the Vees are the biggest threat when they're playing up each others strengths. We were shown that in ep 3 with Vox and Vel working super well making Charlie act the fool, filming it, manipulating the truth. Vel and Val do need Vox as much as he needs them, but Alastor's constant comments (even back in stayed gone in season 1) are feeding into their pride, too.
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