i want to kill you because all my forefathers were murderers. Can you blame me? It's just evolution.
Unjustified murder is unsustainable for the survival of our species, which is partly why we evolved to recognize it as immoral.
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i want to kill you because all my forefathers were murderers. Can you blame me? It's just evolution.
Unjustified murder is unsustainable for the survival of our species, which is partly why we evolved to recognize it as immoral.
Things Pope Leo believes in:
The inferiority of women and that they should not have positions of power.
That everyone outside his religion deserves to suffer forever.
That pedophilia and colonialism is fine as long as anyone in his organization does it.
That fascism is fine as long as his cult gets a bit more power somewhere.
That LGBTQ+ people are fine as long as they stop being LGBTQ+.
That he can just throw the word "disordered" around and act like he's not being a bigot.
All you idiots are going single-issue voter for this bigot in a funny hat and his pedophilia and bigotry factory because he mildly criticized AI and hired a PR manager. We don't need his bullshit.
Many theists believe something like: "Without god, there is no standard for morality."
This is a psychotic thing to say. Without god, we use our senses to observe the physical world we inhabit. We measure the results of our actions to determine which actions are most beneficial. We can easily see that tolerating unjust killings, theft, etc is unsustainable for society. The standard is the physical reality we share.
Meanwhile, those who believe god is a moral authority somehow overlook his many abuses. God is not grounded in observable reality, he can be whatever a believer wants him to be. If god says "it is good," they believe it is good, even though "good" has no definition and seems to include slave rape and genocide. God is no standard for morality or anything else.
Backwards, magical thinking is deadly. There are no limits to what can be done in the name of a god who does not exist. Accountability becomes impossible when the justification is "a wizard did it".
It is frightening when people suggest that the only thing preventing them from "doing whatever they want" is the vengeful wrath of a "loving" god, and that "whatever they want" seems to include theft and murder. If supernatural threats are the only things keeping you from being a bad person, you are already a bad person. You can become a better person by being more honest: There is no god or devil. YOU are responsible for your actions.
Concepts NOT found in the bible that many people confidently believe:
god is omniscient
god is omnipotent
god is omnipresent
god is the source of morality
god gave humans free will
Are there verses that could maybe sort of hint at these if you squint a little? Yes. Are there verses that must be taken figuratively because they are utterly nonsensical? Also yes, meaning we can never be sure when the bible is "supposed" to be literal or figurative. It is, necessarily, a matter of interpretation, and there is no standard against which we can verify anything it says, or anything anyone pretends it says.
If god is omnipotent, he is not loving, as there is no need for suffering at all in that case. If god is omnipresent, the fall of man could not have happened; how does an omnipresent being leave the garden exactly long enough for humans to spring his abusive trap? He created the serpent, yes? Knowing it would convince Adam and Eve, god created the serpent anyway? Knowing mankind would regularly choose suffering, god created them anyway and demanded eternal servitude under threat of eternal punishment?
The bible exists to normalize abuse. It is a human work of fiction designed to manipulate people into being happy slaves.
controversial opinion but if your holy book includes your omnibenevolent god commanding his followers to indiscriminately commit genocide upon entire nations and execute other people simply for following a religion different than theirs then you're lucky i take your complaints about "religious intolerance" seriously
It's clear to me that Catholics actually do have an answer to the Problem of Evil, it's just that it's... absolutely fucking terrible . Like, "Are you sure this is the argument you want to go with?" levels of bad. "Did you accidentally do a satire?" levels of bad.
And it is: Their god does/lets bad things happen so you'll be more dependent on him.
Yup. That's it. No kidding, no hyperbole. Their god does bad things so people will want to come to him for comfort. You know, the guy who did those bad things. The guy who has zero accountability. The guy the religion says is good, regardless of what he does, because he's "good incarnate" or some other bullshit. And then, of course, the guy who just ignores you when you ask for anything, because asking for things means you're "ungrateful".
Imagine being a kid and one day your room is swarming with starving female ticks and mosquitos. You go to your dad and ask why this happened, and your dad tells you to go to bed and if you don't, he'll hit you with a chair leg. So you go to bed and only pass out because of all the bugs drinking your blood. As you wake up, barely alive, you see your dad, and he tells you "I will always be with you", then hooks up your brain to a machine that will keep you alive forever and fire off all your neurons with the maximum amount of pain. This is because you failed to shine his shoes last week.
It's so... surreal how fucked up it is. I mean, their god is a rapist, so I don't know why I would expect anything better.
Christianity is not a belief system. Systems have relationships between their parts. Christianity is 4000 random arbitrary beliefs that all contradict each other. It says your god will protect you from, but also to watch your back for the equally imaginary devil at all times or you will fall. It says your god loves you unconditionally, with conditions, like giving up your entire life. It says your god will provide everything for you, but to not expect much.
To be Christian is to compartmentalize and obfuscate.
I think there is a lot of peace to be obtained by not trying to control everything. It's just that Christianity tries to brand this as "trusting God," which is a bad thing because it breeds dependence on an organization that would kill you if they could get away with it.
So my version is "Not giving a shit about things that don't matter." Most things are not there for me, and some topics don't need my input. Perfection is also an impossibility, not a goal; Christianity's obsession with it is a cause of a lot of problems and a solution to none. That's on purpose, though. They seek to cause problems and sell you a "solution" that only benefits them. It's called a "scam". Look it up.
Do not indulge in superstition. Do not tolerate it. People die for it every day.
If you are not opposing superstition, if you are not correcting falsehoods, you are complicit in their deaths.
Defend the truth that all lives depend on. No magic, no gods.
I wonder how many of the theists on here aren't as strong in their belief as they claim- how many would renounce their beliefs before committing the religious violence and abuse seen worldwide, that happened to you and your friends.
Regardless, you should believe the right things for the right reasons, not the wrong ones. Even if the conclusions that someone comes to without evidence resemble moral beliefs, they're still conclusions that they came to without evidence.
But many of the people on here misinterpret their texts to mean something more moral, more hopeful, more inclusive than is actually in the words on the page. They read into it what they want to see and they want to see better values.
They're human under it all, and that has to count for something, right? If you want them to change at all and make a positive difference, if you want your posts to have any meaning or convincing power to anyone outside the atheist community; you have to treat them with understanding.
I understand that they are cowards who pretend fake things are real because it makes them so happy, they deny the damage they are clearly doing. We cannot tolerate the intolerable. Too many people are not taking this seriously enough when the stakes are literally life and death for all.
idc if i’m an annoying vegan like they are literally murdering animals by the billions when we have the technology to feed ourselves without cruelty
I know that many people are inclined to look for the worst in whatever I say, for a variety of reasons. In this post, I will try to be both precise and thorough. If anything is unclear, I invite you to ask for clarification. I believe this is fundamentally important to every thinking being.
Every action we take is a result of our brains sending signals to our muscles. Some of those signals are automatic, we cannot stop them even if we try. Other signals are conscious choices, but this does not imply the existence of free will. The physical world around us impacts our senses, sending signals along nerve pathways to reach the brain. The brain parses these signals and, sometimes, responds by sending signals to our muscles to trigger an action.
We did not choose to be born, or the circumstances of our births. Yes, I can choose to stand up from my chair, seemingly unprompted. But that is only a natural reaction to sitting for too long, or for wanting to "prove" a point, or any other reason. The decision I make does not come from nowhere, it is the natural result of my entire life up to that moment. My brain has processed enough signals to conclude that standing up is or is not a good idea, depending on my understanding of past events as well as current circumstances.
My brain has a vested interest in keeping me alive: the survival instinct. It compels me to act even when I do not consciously understand why, especially when I am in danger or under stress. But even my calmest conscious decisions are products of my experiences. Where else could they come from?
This is why beliefs are so important. They form the foundation of our decision-making processes. Yes, we can decide in the moment to deviate from our usual patterns, but even that deviation is part of a pattern. If the deviation proves more successful than our usual result, we may reconsider our foundational beliefs. We may change our minds. Is this "free will", or the natural response from a mind that wishes to be as capable as it can be for the sake of our long-term wellbeing?
Many people insist upon the existence of free will to preserve a feeling of control. We crave control because it can keep us alive, it can give us power. But we do not have control. At best, we have influence. The world is bigger than us. We cannot fit it in our heads, and we cannot will it to be the way we want without taking action. Our brains necessarily reduce the complicated world into more easily identifiable terms that fit more neatly into our decision making trees to produce actionable results.
To a degree, we must be willing to die for our beliefs. f we are wrong about something, we may take an action expecting one result, but we may get the opposite. We may make choices we think will improve our lives while actually harming ourselves. If we are too confident in our choices, we may even reject evidence that could otherwise change our minds. If we think the same way every time, it may become second nature, harder and harder to reconsider each time we repeat the thought, whether it is right or wrong.
This is why we must be very careful to avoid accepting falsehoods into our minds. We must review what we believe we know and why we believe it. We must be open to changing our minds if the evidence is sufficient enough. Many people can be wrong for many years. They may reinforce each other's false beliefs, and false beliefs may protect other false beliefs, such as in cases when people falsely believe that false beliefs are not dangerous.
When we look outside of ourselves to see other living, feeling beings sharing the world with us, seeking truth becomes not just about our own survival, but a moral obligation. Cooperation benefits us all.
This is why I am so adamantly against superstition. A hypothesis can be tested; if it consistently passes the test, we might consider it a fact. A superstition is held even when evidence does not support it. "Supernatural" refers to something that cannot be proven; if it could, if it actually exsited, it would be natural. Everything is natural.
This brings us to "god," a word humans invented to describe an entity or idea that has never been physically sensed. By every available measure, it does not exist, yet people ascribe whatever qualities they like to it, and because they like those qualities so much, they commit to pretending. Often, it is as simple as "I wish I was special," "I wish a powerful being loved me," or "I want to believe I have some insight into the parts of the universe no person can know."
This is problematic by itself, adding needless risk in the form of overconfidence in something that does not exist. But more often than not, god is further described to be a petty, violent, hateful thing, yet "love" is stamped on top of it. "God is good," even when he slaughters children or commands rape and genocide. People start with the conclusion and try to work backwards to justify it, but there is no justification.
The truth is both simpler and more complicated. Simpler because we do not have to justify the nonsensical actions of a god that literally cannot be sensed. More complicated because we lose the easy answer of "a wizard did it" and must face the unending complexities of the rich universe we chance to inhabit. We lose the threat of divine punishment, but also the safety net of divine comfort. Are we on our own? No, we have each other, which is sometimes good and sometimes bad. We do not know what else is out there in the universe, but there is nothing to suggest it is god.
So when I say things like "every abrahamic faith is a death cult," it is partly because ANY falsehood is potentially deadly. Worshiping a lie, forming a cult around a lie, is harmful to humanity as a whole. But the abrahamic faiths in particular, from the tanakh to the christian bible to the catholic canon to the quran and more, describe a god who, despite being immensely powerful, chooses to create suffering, and blames his own creations for it so that he has an excuse to punish us for being who we are, who he made us to be.
Yahweh regularly uses violence and death to solve his problems and commands his followers to do the same. Normalizing these backwards beliefs normalizes violence and abuse, literally glorifies suffering and submission to arbitrary authority. Tolerating falsehoods is tolerating death, and as a living person I am compelled to object.
I hope you can understand why I am so angry. It is not just my life that was ruined. Many are dead for these lies, but those deaths are attributed to other factors. Lies protect lies, and more people die every day for nothing more than the most fundamental human greed: the willful rejection of evidence. The willful invention of that which has never been sensed.
Love is honest, even when the truth is not what we want it to be. Please think carefully. Our actions ripple out into this interconnected universe in ways we will never be able to fully measure. Our beliefs are of utmost importance. Thank you for reading. Please ask if you have any questions.
Different anon: 1. The Nazis didn't support atheism, that's a myth 2. The Nazis did cooperate with both the Lutherian and the Catholic church, including a law which guaranteed that state schools would include Religion lessons (this law is in effect up to this day; Lutherians get Lutherian lessons, Catholics get Catholic lessons and everyone else just gets into secular ethics classes) 3. The Vatican was one of the biggest helpers of Nazis fleeing Europe to South America 4. Most Nazis were Christians; weirdos like Himmler weren't the norm 5. Even Himmler was more like a weird mixture of gnosticism and esoteric paganism, not an atheist 6. Hinduism and Buddhism were also popular among the more academic intelligentsia, but seen more through a lense how these beliefsystems could be combined with Christianity 7. Pagan-Spirituality, even if seconded to Christian beliefs, were part of the propaganda of the Third Reich. ANd before someone comes up "wow that sounds incoherent!" then yes, you're right, Nazi-Germany was a country of millions and even the NSDAP itself was filled with a ton of people; and any fascist ideology is inherently incoherent and opportunistic, don't expect their belief systems to make sense. BUT, saying they promoted Atheism is a blatant lie.
Thank you for that correction. I suspect the other anon's reaction was more simplistic; they are conflating Judaism with Jewishness, and pretending that my criticisms of Judaism (which are very similar to those I have for christianity and islam) are tantamount to persecuting all Jewish people. I find it baffling that they seem to think all Jewish people have the same beliefs. It discredits the agency of every individual. For humanity to grow, we must unite. We cannot unite around a lie; everyone chooses their favorite flavor of lie, leading to endless division. We can only unite by seeking truth together. By every available measure, we live in a godless world. Often, humans perceive something in the world and invent a word to describe it. With god, the word was invented, but nothing was actually perceived. It is a superstition, and superstitions expose us to needless risks.
It deeply concerns me when anybody pretends Yahweh is a loving character. He is abusive from Genesis onward. Backwards thinking normalizes hate by calling it "love."
What we want to be true should be irrelevant. Our moral obligation is to observe the world as honestly as possible and let evidence guide our beliefs. If we do not defend the truth that defines our lives, we forfeit them and more. I fear that not enough people are catching on quickly enough. More lives are lost every day. I wish I could connect the dots more clearly for those in denial.
You seem like the kind of person who would like nazis because they supported atheism and killed jews.
You seem like a racist idiot. Not all Jewish people support the death cult that is Judaism. I oppose superstition in all forms. Every Abrahamic faith is a death cult. Stop trying to use race to deflect, coward. Just because many people have been wrong for a long time, that does not make it right. Look to the future. Correct the mistakes of the past. Stop defending baseless bullshit, it is killing us.
Too many people can neither read nor think, and it is everyone's problem.
If you're so traumatised by religion, why are you still so obsessed with religion? Maybe you should take some space and stop retraumatising yourself.
Your lack of empathy makes you less than worthless. Imagine a person who is not as selfish as you. I do not want what happened to me to happen to others. But it is, and worse, because you value bullshit more than real life.
You are despicable.
Day 133: You spend your entire life now, you get rewards after you die.
204. What is the relationship between the Resurrection of Christ and our resurrection?
"Just as Christ is truly risen from the dead and now lives forever, so he himself will raise everyone on the last day with an incorruptible body: "Those who have done good will rise to the resurrection of life and those who have done evil to the resurrection of condemnation" (John 5:29)."
Jesus lives forever, but, no, you can't see him.
I still don't really get this whole resurrected body bit. I mean, it's probably like "God Woman who ate a fruit made body bad but now God made body good" some sort of symbolism, but that doesn't really feel like the whole answer to me. Do they just have no imagination and can't really imagine a soul without a body? Do they think it makes their religion sound unique? Unclear until 100 days from now when there's a bit of a Catechism that reveals what they really think about this and it's worse than anything I could imagine.
205. What happens to our body and our soul after death? "After death, which is the separation of the body and the soul, the body becomes corrupt while the soul, which is immortal, goes to meet the judgment of God and awaits its reunion with the body when it will rise transformed at the time of the return of the Lord. How the resurrection of the body will come about exceeds the possibilities of our imagination and understanding."
As you've probably learned by now, Catholics are weird about corpses. They see a body rotting not as part of the natural cycle of life, but as some perversion of nature. This is because they and their religion are stupid, and why they parade around (Totally not preserved) "uncorrupted" bodies in the Vatican as if they are proof that their god is good and powerful. If I believed in a god and they spent all their time making dead bodies not rot, I'd tell that god to step it the fuck up and quit doing parlor tricks.
206. What does it mean to die in Christ Jesus? "Dying in Christ Jesus means to die in the state of God's grace without any mortal sin. A believer in Christ, following his example, is thus able to transform his own death into an act of obedience and love for the Father. "This saying is sure: if we have died with him, we will also live with him" (2 Timothy 2:11)."
So you can't follow Jesus' example because he's perfect and humans are not but you can follow his example but you can't but you can but you can't but you shouldn't but you must. Again, fetishizing death.
Christians are always going on about other Christians (Who are usually people they would never care about otherwise since they're not white) getting killed for their faith as proof that all Christians are persecuted, but their religion literally tells them to be ready to die at a moment's notice and that dying for your faith is literally the best thing you can do and that they will literally all be persecuted, so why are they complaining? Do they not know what their religion is? Also, it's always people of other religions killing them, and if you say that maybe religion is the problem there, they act like you killed them yourself.