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@skyrages
Thought I might as well do one of those profile intro things now that I have come back from the dead.
Iâm Sky. I mainly but not exclusively post here about ASPD â my experience with it, the concept of it and facts about it. I am a massive nerd in general including about psychology lmao.
I made a discord server:
Check out the Sky's House community on Discord â hang out with 39 other members and enjoy free voice and text chat.
Also, Iâm not giving you any money.
Does anyone know if the lying about random things for no apparent reason without thinking about it is something most prosocials do as well and does anyone know the reason for it regardless
Poll based on an interesting theory someone told me
Have you ever had substance use problems, do you have ASPD, do you have ADHD and were they specifically targeted at stimulants more than anything else?
No, no, no, n/a
No, yes, no, n/a
No, no, yes, n/a
No, yes, yes, n/a
Yes, yes, yes, yes
Yes, yes, yes, no
Yes, no, yes, yes
Yes, yes, no, yes
Yes, no, yes, no
Yes, no, no, yes
Yes, no, no, no
Yes, yes, no, no
Poll based on an interesting theory someone told me
Have you ever had substance use problems, do you have ASPD, do you have ADHD and were they specifically targeted at stimulants more than anything else?
No, no, no, n/a
No, yes, no, n/a
No, no, yes, n/a
No, yes, yes, n/a
Yes, yes, yes, yes
Yes, yes, yes, no
Yes, no, yes, yes
Yes, yes, no, yes
Yes, no, yes, no
Yes, no, no, yes
Yes, no, no, no
Yes, yes, no, no
So how do you all deal with living with other people when you have ASPD. I canât really act like a normal person 24/7.
The comment reply formatting system on this site killing međ
For people with ASPD, I guess a conclusion poll, I suppose this one makes assumptions about symptoms but here
Onset of both conduct disorder and callousness at age 9 or earlier
Onset of both conduct disorder and callousness at 10+ years
Onset of callousness at age 9 or earlier, but conduct disorder at age 10+
Onset of conduct disorder at age 9 or earlier, but callousness at age 10+
Callousness means here: lack of guilt, lack of empathy, lack of strong loving feelings for others
Conduct disorder as in at least 3 symptoms in one year.
Also it would be interesting to hear your thoughts on how you guys think you developed aspd and the presentation?
For people with ASPD, when would you say the general personality traits started (not CD like the other poll)? For example, lack of remorse, impulsivity, irritability, etc
Earlier
8-9
10-11
12-13
14-15
16+
For people with ASPD:
when did you start having (full, and I donât mean the personality traits or ODD or just one symptom) conduct disorder, if you had to estimate when it started (not diagnosed)?
Earlier
8-9
10-11
12-13
14-15
16+ the age requirement depends on the classification)
Iâm sure this will be hard because of childhood amnesia though
It's a common sentiment for psychopaths to feel like life is inherently worthless.
Including my own. A life of psychopathy is a life devoid of inherent meaning. As above, so below, right? It's not like we decided life is meaningless, it's just something we're born into feeling, I think. That being said, I do pretend like it's not. On a daily basis I pretend that there's a meaning. It's difficult at points, and feels like rolling a rock up that hill day in and day out. But... "One must imagine Sisyphus happy."
I donât believe in inherent meaning or value, never have. I always have been a nihilist. But its more that, i donât understand what a life with inherent meaning or value would be. But it doesnât made me sad, I donât really get the big deal?
You ever noticed this funny thing where people think knowing about your aspd makes them like an exception to the symptoms of it? đ
are there any rules on who can join your discord server or is it just open to anyone? -- đȘœ
Anyone can join
'Exceptions' anon again. From my understanding of the ICD-11, patients are just diagnosed with Personality Disorder, while the patterns are used as guidance for clinicians in deciding on treatments.
I personally appreciate that the approach is more about "disordered personalities", rather than a disorder of the personality. It's treated less as some kind of illness with a set list of symptoms and more as a list of personality traits that developed as a result of trauma that hurt the person who has them. I think people with Cluster B disorders in the DSM-5 who are seeking treatment would benefit from this approach being taken on by more American psychologists.
The camp that argues ASPD and NPD shouldn't be considered forms of neurodivergency would unfortunately try to use that to their favour, since they seem to struggle with understanding that your environment affects your brain structure and endocrine system, lol.
I personally think that seeing either as completely environmental or genetic is kind of silly and that people have some weird black-and-white thinking about it. Either way it is 100% neurodivergent imo
What is your take on the concept of 'the exception' - somebody who people with ASPD are capable of feeling compassion and guilt for? Do you think it has any merit, or do you reckon people who describe having an exception are misdiagnosed?
Personally, I think under the ICD-11 framework for personality disorder, it's possible. Under the classic DSM-5 framework for ASPD, I'm not so sure. The DSM-5 is more restrictive by design and whether that's a good thing or not is entirely personal opinion.
I have never had an exception personally. Though I donât think you need to have absolutely no concern or remorse ever to be described as antisocial/psychopathic, just little. But that could just be my reading. I also would like to note that a lot of descriptions specifically describe a lack of concern including for people close to them, which flies in the face of exceptions as Iâve heard it described. I would say in that way, exception could work only if the guilt and compassion towards exception is still mostly lacking in an objective sense.
I have major issues with both criteria though honestly. Also there are two ASPDs in the ICD-11, conduct-dissocial disorder and personality disorder with dissociality. I think the dissociality thing is too vague and puts too many things under the criteria of lack of empathy to make it hard to say (like manipulation and aggression iirc, etc, like those are several different things); and also requires you to have traits of NPD, its not just aspd, its like a weird mix of both that leaves out a lot of essential traits imo, like its not just a âlack of empathyâ. I would like to hear your explanation though. The conduct-dissocial criteria is solely about antisocial behaviour, and has a specifier of having limited pro social emotions or not, so CDD is probably a the best ASPD equivalent in the book, and the lack of empathy and remorse in LPE can be limited OR absent, so exceptions to a minor degree sound reasonable there, but thatâs not even required.
Honestly my favourite criteria in any of these books is probably the ICD-10 dissocial personality disorder (still has issues imo).
DSM aspd can easily be met without any lack of concern or guilt at all, in fact only half of people who meet that criteria have a lack of remorse.
A lot of this is just diagnosis label semantics, rather then an objective answer, I guess. Nobody can even seem to decide what ASPD even is. I DO think a lot of people need to understand that neurotypicals often donât have concern for adult strangers who arenât close to them. Thatâs not pathological or unusual.
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Thank you for being an advocate for ASPD it genuinely gives me hope about the life I might be able to actually live.
I never know how to respond to being thanked, but Iâll post this
Bitches be like âyou need to be able to feel empathy to be a good personâ and then are the most horrible person alive
guys guys guys this is so important this is soso important. I've always struggled w empathy (politician training, amiright?) but I feel like you dont need to feel bad to do good things? I've never helped somone pick up their pens after they dropped their pencil case because I felt bad, I did it bevause
-it was the nice thing to do
-it was the right thing to do
compassion (and occasionally guilt) can motivate people and I think that's enough
Also, people who have aspd shouldn't all be tarred with the same brush i feel. Im a big empathy advocate, but that's not all there is to life and being kind.
This is exactly the fake annoying âacceptanceâ that i hate about this website thatâs everywhere.
Why is it always âhaving low/no empathy is fine ^^â because âyou can still feel sympathy (only slightly different from empathy) and guilt (most important part of the callous affect trait of ASPD)â like what if I canât, okay stop pretending that this is about ASPD, or that youâre (you as in people like this in general) okay with it, youâre just spreading misinformation on how ASPD is because youâre trying to make it more relatable and comfortable to you. Youâre just the same as them (i donât care if you mistakenly think you have ASPD just because you have low empathy).
Another note, people with disorders that affect their personality or social interactions or feelings or behaviour⊠tend to actually act differently from people without them? It actually affects your life and your interactions with other people and your ability to function in society.
Weâre never going to be acceptable to you, so just stop talking about it, because you have the same standards of acceptable mental illness that they do, except they just use different words and know marginally less about the semantics of the word âempathyâ.
Its the same with other mental illness, like psychotic disorders or autism, you need to constantly not actually show symptoms of the disorder to still be a person to people who virtue signal that theyâre so accepting.
