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“Japanese people can’t have a valid opinion on a white American pop star wearing a kimono. Only Japanese-Americans can.”
BONUS ROUND: Person expressing this opinion is black.
People like Jordan are why the world hates Americans.
People like Jordan illustrate how social justice warriors are divorced from reality and have become completely unable to see the world in any terms that do not equate to oppressed and oppressor. It’s sad, really. I feel bad for people like this more than I feel angry at them. They’ve become so horribly misled and so locked into their hatred that rationality and kindness are outside of their purview.
okay but how about you shut the fuck up and listen to people who DO have a taste of the differences between living on the mainland vs living in diaspora? (a.k.a ME)
people that grew up and live all their lives in a large monocultural country like Japan or China have no idea of racial dynamics because they’ve never been in a position where they are in the minority. hell, they probably don’t even realise they’re in the ethnic majority. (but ask someone that’s like,, say,, Ainu in Japan, or someone that’s not Han in China, and they’ll understand). so unless these people spend a year or two abroad they’ll never get to understand what casual discrimination based on skin colour, or any cultural aspects, feels like. that’s why they don’t see any inherent problems in cultural appropriation or other subtle manipulations of power dynamics. THIS IS NOT SOMETHING I MADE UP – IF YOU WATCH THAT JAPANESE MAN YUTA’s OTHER VIDEOS HE EXPLAINS THIS AS WELL. IT IS WHY JAPANESE PEOPLE CAN BE SO RACIST AT TIMES.
ALSO NEWSFLASH - cultural imperialism is like,, a thing?? Japan has had a long history of succumbing to Western colonial influences since America decided to force open their ports?? (much the same as the Brits did with Southern China.) in Chinese we call it a 崇洋態度 (literally a mentality of worship towards the West) and it’s not a pretty sight. but it’s a real thing, it’s why some Japanese people defer to the West, and want that validation from Western culture. and it’s why so many East Asian girls find mediocre hollywood white men to be preferable over their own local male counterparts when it comes to boyfriend material. and that is much sadder than whatever preconceived ideas you had about what’s healthy or “normal” about our cultures.
long post; discourse //; eugenia’s rubbish additions; fuck you all if you think this is normal; this isn’t and we need to be proud of our heritage and stop deferring to the west like some dog wagging their tails; //eta: i spent 17 years living locally and has spent 3 years living abroad so trust me i /know/;
So, people from the actual culture that’s allegedly being appropriated don’t get to have a valid opinion because they’re not #woke enough?
Are they seriously implying that it’s a bad thing to like rich and famous white guys from america?
also living three years in america does not make you a cultural expert, like shut the hell up.
“I’m not Asian but if your opinion doesn’t fit into my narrative, even if you are Asian, you’ve lived in Asia and outside of Asia, you know nothing. I, the non-Asian who is neither Asian nor has lived in Asia am more knowledgeable than you. So shut up and let me, the non-Asian speak because obviously my opinion is the most important as a complete foreigner to the Asian [national/diaspora] experience.”
Thank you @stvlti. I have mixed feelings about the succumbing to western colonial influences (overall, for issues like this) but otherwise, I’m glad you commented.
Thank you for understanding where I come from. Although, disclaimer, I am not Japanese myself, I am from an East Asian country that’s predominantly monoethnic and monocultural - China, that is - so I feel like my opinion should at the every least carry some weight. Not to mention, like I said, the op of the videos from which those screencaps are taken from - a guy that is very much Japanese - seems to agree with me on some of my points, so I can’t be the only one that feels this way.
To those that are willing to consider the contexts and nuances of this discourse, thank you.
P.s. I’m not implying it’s “bad” to prefer white celebrities from Hollywood over domestic celebrities and other international celebrities from non-Western backgrounds, as I know from my own experience that there are many other factors concerning the domestic industry that may turn the consumer away and drive them to seek international sources of entertainment instead. But it’s just something to think about when we examine how much influence Anglo-American media has on globalised regions in the world - like there is an insidious correlation there. And I hope I’m not the only one that sees this.
Japanese people in Japan are not discriminated against because they’re Japanese. They are not mocked and ridiculed when they wear their traditional dress, speak their language, or eat their traditional cuisine. Japanese-Americans do. Please, people, educate yourself on the subject of Japanese-Americans. Interned in camps in times of war, ghettoized, at higher risk of violence and abuse, high levels of stereotypes for both men and women. Oversexualization of Japanese women (”sexy gheisha” etc), desexualization of Japanese men (”small penis” etc). Japanese women are at higher risk of rape and sexual abuse than almost any other demographic, precisely because they are sexualized.
Hell, there is a whole Wikipedia page on anti-Japanese sentiment in the USA. These are things that Japanese living in Japan just DO NOT experience. They do not understand that when Katy Perry uses Japanese imagery to promote a sexualized message, she is furthering the stereotypes that participate in the abuse of Japanese-American women. It’s not about being “woke”, it’s about understanding context!
Hey, pop quiz; is Perry wearing a Kimono any different from millions of non-Japanese around the world who cosplay as anime characters?
And before you say “that’s different! Japanese put that out there!”, many anime fans pirate their anime, and you don’t actually know if Perry’s costumers bought her kimono from actual Japanese.
Like I told someone else, I think cultural appropriation used in this sense is bunk. My original post as about the hypocrisy. Regular Japanese people have a better claim on Japanese culture than diasporans, but apparently their opinion suddenly doesn’t matter…when they disagree with diasporans. Jordan doesn’t even appear to be of Japanese descent.
Also, Japanese culture itself has no problem “appropriating” other cultural influences. We have two very popular anime series based on Bebop and Hip-Hop, and another named after Beck, for starters.
Honestly, I still think it’s funny that you wrote, “Have you noticed how they usually avoid saying the people they’re talking about are wrong? They’ll implythe “PoC” are wrong (EG “they don’t know better”), but they won’t just say it” considering all your posts like these and if you discount Japanese diaspora voices for not being “Japanese enough” then you believe in a system of hierarchy and you’re being a hypocrite. But since you’re choosing to play this, you are admitting that your voice is not as important as the voices in the diaspora either (as the diaspora does include dual nationals and third culture Japanese, both of whom hold Japanese citizenships and some who were brought up in Japan, even if they identify more with the diaspora experience). Also, it’s still too funny that you’re pointing out Jordan’s race when it’s not like you’re Japanese either and are doing the same by talking over those of us who have expressed our distaste (as Japanese individuals).
Cosplay as anime characters all you want and it really doesn’t matter (as long as you’re being aware of racial undertones and are obviously not making a mockery of someone’s race).
Unconditionally was not a song rooted in Japanese culture. Katy Perry was also not wearing a kimono. The style that dress she was wearing takes “inspirations” from a particular kimono called a Furisode. Look up Furisode and you’ll know they look nothing like she’s wearing. The other “inspiration” it takes after is a Qipao and that can be seen in the slits on her legs and the way it’s buttoned on her chest. This is quite common for Americans, to merge Chinese and Japanese culture together in a semi-stereotypical manner. Not to mention that the way she opened up the show with her movements was also incredibly stereotypical..
Now.. if you want to talk about RESPECTFUL engagement by non-Japanese individuals, here are two YouTube videos that depict that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gutoy_1W298 & https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9Ux5w47Dy0
Sort of unrelated, I think they are partially problematic in some aspects (like the hats, the end, et al) but this is more culturally appropriate (minus the way the bottom part of the women’s kimono open because that’s SUPER NO NO in kimono culture) but this is far more respectful of actual Japanese culture than Katy Perry’s performance (and I don’t think the male dancers are Japanese - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLY-VBTqxO8.
Nobody hear has claimed that the voices of nationals don’t matter (except for Jordan and that’s where I disagree with them even though it is true that the discussion is far more broad than those who have never left their own country). Especially with what stvlti and @somewhatasian and boatiechat have pointed out (just going to include Conner’s response since they live in Japan and are Japanese - http://somewhatasian.tumblr.com/post/166738035002/wattaabunkamamuti-theunnamedstranger).
As I’ve stated many times before, “Japanese Americans and Japanese from Japan in the US (as well as other Japanese diaspora in other western countries) are more directly being affected by Katy Perry because Katy Perry is a western musician performing for a majority western audience (even if she is a global pop phenomenon). I don’t entirely agree with Jordan as I do think it is misguided in the lack of understanding of/about Japan but they aren’t wrong that Japanese Americans, at the end of the day, will receive more flack and racism for her actions that is already built on over a hundred years of racism and fetishization/orientalism towards us. Which is why Japanese voices from those born outside of Japan are important.
Can people in Japan have their opinions? Of course. Should their views be used to create a dialogue that all Japanese people feel the same way or that “Americans are too sensitive”? No. Do opinions from Japan matter? Of course. But guess what, so do opinions in the US made by some Japanese Americans or even Japanese individuals from Japan who found the performance uncomfortable. The first twitter post forces the viewer/people to believe that there is only one way to view the situation and we all should know that it’s an entirely false way to react to this issue considering various views exist and it’s a far more nuanced conversation. And on that note, the views of Japanese Americans are also a mixed bag.”
Just because Japan has no problem with appropriating other cultures in a contemporary setting doesn’t make it right. For example, if I stole your house and all your assets does that mean it should be OK for all of us to start doing it?
Also, as an end note to boatiechat, I agree with you about the experience of Japanese-Americans but I feel like I need to make a comment that while most Japanese have very little interaction with that form of racism I do think that racism that Japanese-Americans face does manifest itself in Japan. So I wouldn’t necessarily say that people in Japan don’t experience it (whether online or in real life). Not to mention that there are people who are brushed under being Japanese from Japan like mixed Japanese, Ainu, Okinawans, Zainichi, Burakumin, and even third culture Japanese who might/do identify as Japanese and many who have Japanese citizenship and have lived all/most of their life in Japan but who have experienced discrimination and some have been mocked for their traditional wear, their language(s), their cuisine, et al. But most people being interviewed, as stvlti mentioned that Yuta mentioned, are not often at the receiving end of those power dynamics that Japan has created for itself and/or the west’s version of power dynamics.
It’s so funny for people to twist words about how Twitter op was saying mainland Japanese people’s opinions are invalid cause they want to make someone who is making a good point look bad.
All he said is that Japanese people really don’t understand why it’s culturally appropriative because they don’t have to face shit from people in Japan. That’s why these comments are made.
Yet here y'all go, yet again trying to whine about how people from actual cultures don’t want to you wearing their traditional clothing cause it fits the very stereotypes they dislike and chances are, you’re doing it wrong.
Get over it and just respect people from the culture. It’s honestly not that hard yet I hear y'all crying all day. It’s tiring.
Twitter op is literally saying that despite actual Japanese citizens okay with the use of their culture, that we should disregard the opinions of their culture because they “just want to be proximal to whiteness so they can cosign this behavior”. It is their culture, and they love that others are sharing/using it. And like you said, respect people from the culture. It’s honestly not that hard.
But you aren’t being respectful of you clearly disregard the opinions from people in the diaspora. Essentially discounting the opinions of Japanese-Americans because they are not from the mainland is still not respecting everyone’s opinion in that culture.
If someone is uncomfortable with you using their culture like that, fucking respect them and don’t use it. You really tried to use my own words against me just to make a point which, earlier, had no ground to stand on.
Y'all really love to be difficult and just be like “Oh you’re not full Japanese and actual Japanese people say we can so we will” like no, you are fully aware that the dynamics of race and power work differently in America. And if you knew anything about Japanese culture and the Japanese mindset of spreading the culture, you’d understand exactly why mainland Japanese are okay with this, but Japanese-Americans may not be.
But you choose to be ignorant and still ignore the opinions of Japanese-Americans who say “no don’t do this.”
So my point still stands, it’s not that fucking hard. You just are willfully ignorant and want what you want, causing you to fire back when people say “no.”
It’s not ignoring the opinions of those who say “no don’t do this”. It’s a no-win situation. There’s a conflict when one group is saying “yes, do this” and another is saying “no, don’t do this”, and I’m going to listen primarily to the group who’s directly living in the culture rather than being displaced from it. If it was something that’s distinctly Japanese-American, then sure, people should listen to what Japanese-Americans have to say primarily.
You can’t just discount one side and call me “ignorant” for taking more than one perspective. It’s not one side saying no; it’s people saying yes and no at the same time.
just here to apologize for two years ago me and say I agree with @miamimo8 and twitter OP now that I’m no longer a moron
The USA is a place where shootings happen so frequently, that common things can be mistaken for gunshots. This is so sad to me. I know that there have been several times when I am out running errands, or even in my house, and I hear a loud noise. The first thought is always “gunshot”. It is a scary and messed up country I live in.
They don’t happen frequently, it’s false awareness brought to you by over coverage by the media.
^^^ Turn off your tv and you won’t have to hide under your desk every time a door shuts…
If you actually are familiar with firearms you know the difference between one and some random bang.
“Someone mistook a random noise for gunfire. How can I blame that on guns?”
Also, as I recall, March For Our Lives wants kids and teachers to be paranoid about the vast exaggerated threat of mass shootings. Fear is not risk, OP.
jesus christ, biweekly-monthly school shootings are not normal in the rest of the world.
that’s not fucking “false awareness”. it’s not “paranoid”. it’s fucking reality. the point of march for our lives was to advocate for change.
my jimmy neutron hentai blog got deleted i’m going to fucking flip out
humans literally evolved to cook food around a fire together, spend their days in the sun, braid eachothers hair, care for each others babies…we are so sweet and docile…remember that
actually humans have failed as a species and are just pure garbage
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I WILL be posting ankle pics on dec 18th and it WILL be erotic
as compensation all NSFW blogs will get an extra hour in the ball pit
everyone has that one song that makes them cry every time
it’s now leaving la. crying in the club rn
"Good evening, I'm a teacher. I care very much for my students and their parents trust me completely because of the many years I've worked with children" *gets handed a gun* "BLGELELIHGOPIEHOIQW I SUDDENLY HATE ALL KIDS AND I WANT TO SHOOT THEM ALL IN THE FACE AND THEN EAT KITTENS!" -This is what people complaining about letting teachers have guns actually believe.
No. It’s not. Literally no one thinks that and if you think people do, you’re making it up. Not much to say other than that.
You don’t have to like the idea, but you most certainly shouldn’t spread misinformation about the idea.
“Increasing the likelihood that a child gets shot”, because strangers with guns can just walk into schools and kill people…
but all the homicidal teachers were just waiting for Washington to ok it.
The absolute asshurt in the notes is giving me life though, lmao cry harder
>terrible policy that is not only a waste of money, but a danger to schools
“lol asshurt people not wanting kids to die”
I’m about to make a terrible decision.
Turns out the flavors cancel each other out, and the whole thing tastes like nothing.
hey man what the fuck
that was God shielding you
Why didn’t anyone tag me in this
@termytheantisocialbutterfly
Hey. What the fuck.
how is this so true .
good concept but god-awful song placement
If I ever become a history teacher, I’m going to write “gullible” on the ceiling. Then in the middle of class, I’ll announce, “There’s ‘gullible’ written on the ceiling.” After the whole look vs. not look shenanigan occurs, I shall then slam my books on my desk, prop myself up, lean forward and say, “Welcome to history. Your first lesson? Check your facts for yourself.”
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