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So cute isn’t it?
Hmmm…when else have I seen that exact look on Jensen’s face??
Thanks for coming to my ted talk✌😌
How would you make Destiel canon if you could? in which way, cause if deancas get together the next episode well it wont stay that way right, they'll get reasons to be pulled apart again etc so would you rather say destiel could move forward for example via Cas revealing to somebody (not dean) that is he in love (with dean) or ehm yeah :D u know?
Hey,Nonnie! What an interesting and challenging question this is! How would I makeDestiel canon if I could? If I could do anything, anything at all? I’d be a sapand do something extremely romantic or fluffy, worthy of a fanfic. LOL xD (That’sprobably why I will never be a Supernatural writer!)
But, forgive me, I have to be realistic. So, what do you say if we analyze how it could happen in the real context of the show if it everhappens?
Supernaturalis not a show about romance whether straight or queer. For example, Charlie and Gilda were canon but definitely not long-term. Cas hasn’t showed any interest in a long-term relationship. Most of Sam’slove interests have ended up dead, except for Amelia, but dear god, how boringhis relationship with Amelia was! The Samelia scenes in the first half ofseason 8 were awful. I mean, that relationship was so out of the blue that veryfew people liked it. And Dean? His few love interests have all beenleft behind (alive at least) becausehe’s a hunter. That’s why Dean’s always been more interested in one nightstands. They’re easier. He can have some fun without having to stay or withoutputting anybody in danger.
The show’sabout the brothers whether we want to accept it or not. Whatever love interestthat stands in the way of Dean and Sam hunting together is doomed since thevery start. Therefore, we’ll just be disappointed if we expect Dean and Cas to “gettogether” at some point while there’s still the possibility of more seasons tocome. Why do I always say that Destiel is endgame? Because any love interest(even if I didn’t ship Destiel) would be for the last moments of the series.
Sam is NOTgoing to meet someone and be happy any time soon. Dean is NOT going to meetsomeone and be happy any time soon either. They still have to save the world. Therecan’t and probably won’t be any romance in the middle of that. However, the show has to end one day. Dean’sconfession last season has foreshadowed that he wants to live a different life.You know what that means? That he can and probably will get a happy ending. Samhas always wanted to have a normal life. And a dog. What would be the best thingfor him at the end of the series? It’d be having a badass woman by his side,who knows the secrets of his past as a hunter, and who is NOT a damsel in distress. Ahhh… who likes dogs!
Introducinga love interest for Sam would be complicated, but it’s doable. Introducing alove interest for Dean would be a goddamn feat. Dean’s a very complexcharacter. He needs somebody who loves him even in his darkest moments;somebody who’s seen the worst of him but is still willing to be by his side nomatter what; somebody who understands Dean’s self-hatred and finds ways to makehim feel worthy of love. Somebody like Cas. Would I want Cas to tell somebody, anybody, that he’s in love with Dean?YES!! Would I want Dean to confess that he’s in love? OF COURSE!! Even if he didn’tsay that he’s in love with Cas. HOWEVER, do I think that’s something that’sgonna happen in the show? NO! (And if it happens, neither Cas nor Dean will saywho they’re in love with, just to make it vague and open for interpretation).
TPTB are NOT going to make Destiel canon unless they’rein the show’s final season and the final episodes of it. I believe this becauseof many factors. Audience reaction is just one of them. They have set a verygood love story for Dean and Cas, one that cannot be denied on rewatch once theseries ends. If they have Dean and Cas get together at the very end of theseries, everything they’ve done so far can be used to “prove” that was theirintention all along. Which is exactly what I think they’re gonna do.
I’m aDestiel shipper through and through. I believe that canon Destiel is a hugeoption and that some writers keep that option in mind in their episodes.Nevertheless, I can’t come and tell you that canon is going to happen soonbecause TPTB had the chance and didn’t take it (the ingredients for the spellthat cast the angels out of Heaven; the Colette parallel). On the contrary, theydecided to drag the plot. That’s what convinced me that they won’t change thepattern in season 11. Dean and Cas are endgame.
In themeantime, we will have to bear the angst, analyze the subtext, witness how manymore love tropes they use with Dean and Cas, and suffer when they’re pulled apartagain and again (as star-crossed lovers they are). Supernatural will continueto single Dean out as Cas’ weakness. It will continue to tell us how importantCas is to Dean. It will continue to present Cas as the Heaven outcast. It willcontinue to foreshadow a love interest for Dean. And it will probably start toshow a clear endgame for Sam.
But that’sit.
Thequestion is… are we willing to wait? In my case, my answer is clear:
Can you believe I wrote this 4 years ago? My thoughts haven’t changed, though. I’m curious to see what kind of endgame we’ll get, but the 4 seasons we got after writing this post didn’t disappoint me at all. Season 15, I’m waiting for you!
Can I touch you?
The DESTIEL longing
So we were discussing something very very beautiful but very angsty at the same time.
This are just facts we noticed as team, @emblue-sparks @mrsaquaman187 and @cheerstofandomfamily and we want to share with you. Enjoy!
CAS invading for the first time Dean’s personal space.
Remember First Encounter… When Dean asked “And why would an angel rescue me from Hell?”
And then Castiel proceed to say…
“Good things…
Gif credit @magnificent-winged-beast who pointed this too in her meta about the first encounter, she talked about this “entering into Dean’, personal space” for the first time.
Is such an intense scene but full of Intrigue coming from Castiel. He was so intrigued with this human. He saw a broken man.
We had a lot of situations about Castiel invading Dean’s personal space that we can recall in all season 4 and firsts episodes from.season 5 till… This happened…
Dean teaches CAS about personal space
And @mrsaquaman187 said here: “Dean is retreating this phrase so much” and is hilarious but with a side of truth…
Since then… We saw Castiel being so respectful about personal space with Dean, we noticed even when he needs to heal Dean he do that with such a delicate and tenderness touch, approaching his fingers or his hand to Dean’s body so slowly… As if he was asking for permission… And we have this beautiful moments…
There… So intense, and delicate at the same time…
So yeah… He understood… But Dean is now the person who’s hungrily searching for Castiel, and that’s why we are having the following moments now…
Dean reaching for Cas physical contact
We believe there was a change in Dean’s character since Purgatory. As I said like a thousand of times, Dean discovered in Purgatory that he was feeling something else than just platonic friendship for Cas.
So, after teaching Cas about personal space, now is Dean who is gravitating around the angel… Trying to remain cool with bro slaps, or bro touching, but sometimes… The touching are not so brodly…
Gif credit @bennylafitte
Gif credit @rosewhipped22
And he is always searching to be side by side, almost glued to the angel…
And that’s 👆 so blantant coming from Dean. Is Dean who’s looking for this contact… But why?
I said before, is because we wants to approach Cas in a different way… He is slowly trying to catch Cas’s permission before this kind of touches. Bc Cas is his best friend, and he is trying to do this in the right way… Slowly…
This is such a sweet thought and we wanted to share with you….
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Buenos Aires December 26th 2018 2:30 AM
Dean is so thirsty for Castiel hahahha poor baby, he don’t know how to hide it anymore
@agusvedder !! Yes!! That’s right! And I truly believe this Dean glued to Cas is a physical sign of what is coming this season with the Profound Bond rejecting Michael possession… All the bonding foreshadows this series made this season, from the demon with that “joined in the everything” quote, passing by Nick saying to Luci “I’m bonded to you” and the last “he was attached to you, to all of you” so so excited waiting for the second half of the season!!!
Yay! Thanks x your addition!!
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Well, this surely backs your theory that Dean and Cas never did the did. But also can backup the theory that they were together, in the biblical sense, (meaning they have sex in every flat surface of Nora’s apartment Ep. : Heaven can’t wait) and there was a very long dry spell since Season 12, so Dean is longing for more. 😉
It makes me wonder, did we see Dean act like this with anyone else? Cassy or Lisa? Did he touched them whenever he could? A small touch just because? I only can think in Baby for that kind of touchy intimacy, but He Knows he loves Baby.
For Dean Baby is his home, his safe place, the only thing familiar and constant in his life, Baby is his shield, his happy place, he allows himself to show affection toward her, it’s actually the only thing he loses his temper over it if something happens to her, he’s very protective and jealous of Baby. And he’s so touchy with her, casually or intentionally he always caresses her and lets himself to be comfortable and show affection. He respects her and always takes care of her. We can say that he’s naturally a touchy person when he feels… at home and safe, safe to be himself. And Cas provokes the same and even Dean isn’t completely aware of that.
Cas somehow has become his Baby in that sense (hehe) platonic or romantic Cas is his safe place, his family and home. But Cas is not an object, he feels and responds, he goes if he wants, Dean can’t keep it in a garage and pretend he’s going to be there always. Except Cas somehow has shown him that he is and at some point he really tries to do that, to be physically where Dean left him. We don’t know what exactly happened in Hell when they actually first met, we suppose and they made us understand that is in Hell when their Profound Bond started, or the reason why it exists, but a solid bond can’t be formed on force or in a minute, both have to be willing and it takes time. And while we see that the scene of the barn seems to be the first time Dean sees Cas that’s not the case. Cas has “problems with personal space ” just and exclusively with Dean, why? And when Dean asks him to respect his space (in a sweet way btw) Cas does it, like you pointed out, he really really respects Dean’s wishes and always always ask for permission. So why at first Cas has “problems with personal space ”?? Because obviously Dean already gave him permission to be closer before… THAT closer.
It went slow but Dean opening to Cas felt so natural and warm, even to him, as if they already did it before, their Profound Bond is mentioned really early actually, but even then they had, off camera, a lot of moments together. Just them without Sam.
The thing is their bond allowed Dean to really feel comfortable around Cas, just being himself, happy Dean, grumpy Dean, vulnerable Dean, and Dean is responding or trying to respond like he responds with Baby, because somehow he feels the same, he feels safe, he feels at home, he just wants to take care of that precious being but he’s conflicted because that being is no longer acceptable in so many ways for the rest and himself. Loving a car is normal for men, loving a man is not, because he’s a man too… and he’s an Angel, but is not acceptable because he’s a hunter, a human, a Demon. And yet he can’t help it, he just does the same and touches him, and takes care of him, and smiles at him, and just feels at home around him. He just doesn’t accept it even when all his cells tells him that it’s the most natural thing to do, because maybe he already did before.
Maybe they already did the do in Hell and both forgot about it, but their bodies and souls didn’t and that’s why both just keep gravitating toward each other. Maybe each touch resonates so hard that they want more and more.
Cas provokes the same familiarity and security as Baby, but it also puts his world upside down because Dean Feels how strong is his necessity to treat Cas like he treats Baby, with love and passion. Even if one tries to see the whole situation as platonic or brotherly you know that with Sam or with Charlie was and is So Different.
Their Profound Bond is special and strong because both were and still are willing to it. It was never about manipulation or dirty games, they always considered and respected each other desires and boundaries, it was and still is about love, that’s why Michael can’t have Dean, that’s why Cas is always careful.
Sorry if everything is a mess, I had multiple ideas but I’m sick, its 3am and I need to sleep. Hope something had any sense.
@magnificent-winged-beast
OMG that thing again! 🤣🙈
Well… Basically support the idea they didn’t do it yet mostly because Dean is doing this approaching (caressing shoulders, brushing shoulders and almost rubbing hands) since season 11…
This scene is from 11x03👆
He is doing this so slowly bc Dean is so respectful too about Cas being his bestest friend and he doesn’t know Cas’s feelings or how Cas would react to Dean’s feelings… So he is, ofc this is my interpretation, approaching Cas respectfully slowly and shyly (talking about physically, here) and the “side by side” as if they were glued, always coming from Dean, is something we’ve seen since season 13 but this season is like glued-glued come on!! And we love it… But the “slowly approaching” is what make think they didn’t do the thing yet. Bc the way they act with each other, is not the way lovers would act. Is the way male friends would act ignoring the other male’s feelings, trying to be “no homo” to show your male friend you are just friends and it’s cool. Like Cas saying Dean he has a woman in his car in season 10. And all the Healing!Dean process he has to make for truly accept himself.
@lykanyouko yes yes!! Beautiful thoughts!! I can add here Sammy, bc Sammy represents too CONSTANT LOVE, SAFE LOVE AND PLACE AND FAMILY. And Cas is DEAN’S FAITH SAFE PLACE AND ROMANTIC LOVE, I love to think that bc that explains why the two of them are inside Dean’s head now, FAMILY BOND and ROMANTIC BOND.
And about Dean being touchy, I think he is a very touchy person with the people he loves, but with Cas is different, as you said, bc he is his BEST MALE FRIEND, so as I pointed, he has to approach carefully, testing Cas reaction to his caressing and almost rubbing/rubbing hands, he is doing this now, that’s why since season 12 but mostly this season is like ugh!!! Are they going to talk about this?? And I think they will… Bc all the foreshadow forb"the talk" we’ve seen… And remember my meta about Jack asking in 14x06 about “THE MOVES and THE TALK??” ok… Maybe THIS ARE THE MOVES Dean slowly approaching his bro/no so bro best friend, trying to figure out if Cas is ok with that and maybe… If it’s ok… Next time a little more… And if that is ok too…, Next time a little more… Damn… I love the pinning!
And about your headcanon is so romantic! Now I need the fic of that! 💕
Thanks for your additions!!
Dean is totally in love Cas. Cas is totally in love with Dean. The “profound bond” is Cas’ way of saying “we are special to each other” but he is an angel and he doesn’t/ didn’t understand human emotions like happiness, love, friendship. He knows nothing but following orders. Castiel had never had a thought for himself before Dean. Then he meets this important, broken man who taught him the true differance between right and wrong. Taught him that some times you have to rebel. He loves Dean and he knows that humans have ideas about who should be with who. He knows that most humans don’t accept m/m or f/f but m/f is ok.
I think that Dean is just really shy. He is not used to some one being there for him when he needs them. John wasn’t there for most of his and Sams childhood and when Sam was old enough he left too. Dean didn’t have his mom at all growing up. The only things he could depend on were the impala and his music. He knew that the impala could be fixed, cleaned, protected but normally no one would be there for him. So when all of a sudden this larger than life guy comes walking in and the world gets turned upside down. Cas saved Dean and he kept saving him. Kept just telling him that he was special, important, and needed.
I don’t think Dean ever felt that before. So he knows that he loves the angel and he is just scared that he’ll screw it up and everything will be ruined. He told Cas that he didn’t need to fell like hell for failing him like he fails every god-forsaken thing he cares about.
He cares too much to let himself be happy
Thats all i have to say. Sorry if its all in a jumble
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I love your “we are special to each other,” because it reminds me of the clear, simple assessment of my son made two years ago.
My husband and I never really discussed Destiel in front of him, not because it’s a sensitive topic we want to censor at all, but because we wanted him to form his own interpretation of Dean and Cas. He’s 13 now and ships them, but when he was 11 he indicated an understanding of them in a manner which is separate from other relationships on the show.
He said, “Dean is Cas’s human, and Cas is Dean’s angel. They belong to each other.” And that’s it. That’s the simple truth of what an 11 year old child can take from watching them on the show. Now he cheers them on😂
Destiel, Bi!Dean and preparing the audience for a “shocker”.
I just did a re-watch of 12x10 and it really got me thinking again about Benjamin and Cas’s talk in the car with the boys about Benjamin and his female vessel.
At the time the episode aired, I think I was so excited about the prospect of Cas being in a female vessel, and how this could potentially shift a heteronormative audiences perception of Dean and Cas that I didn’t realise just what else they were trying to do.
This is about reassurance.
This is the conversation that was had in the car:
CAS: Benjamin is always very careful. Long ago, he found a powerfully devout vessel in Madrid, and her faith, it… she gave him everything – her trust and her body.
DEAN: Wait. So Benjamin’s a woman?
CAS: Benjamin is an angel. His vessel is a woman. But it – it’s – it’s more than that. She’s not just his vessel.
Just this small exchange is important as exposition for the audience. It is about preparing the audience for what is coming up. The idea that Cas was also once ‘a woman’. Which, okay, no he wasn’t a woman, he just had a female vessel, but imagine how that would have gone down had this exchange not taken place? Imagine how a general audience would have reacted to Cas and his female vessel had Benjamin just been another angel in a male vessel?
Probably a lot like the way Dean acted here, with confusion.
By giving us the Benjamin character and this particular scene as well, the writer has successfully prepared the audience for Cas in his female vessel. Preventing raised eyebrows and confusion because the audience will remember this conversation and apply it to Cas.
“Castiel is an angel, his vessel WAS a woman. His vessel is now a man, Cas is still a dude and it’s not weird. Cool beans.”
(when I think of a general audience watching SPN lets just say that I certainly don’t think of the fandom or tumblr. I think of my brother and that is something I won’t get into here. Heteronormative doesn’t even begin to cover it.)
The fact is, making one of your three main lead male characters a woman for an episode is a weird thing to do, the kind of thing that would probably make some audience members uncomfortable. So adding in this exposition, this reassurance, removes that level of discomfort, it gets them used to the idea first, like a buffer.
See for a show like SPN, whilst its always been a bit weird with its story lines, it’s never been all that progressive. As much as we would all like to wish that all SPN viewers were like us – liberal forward thinking people who are willing and eager for TV to break a few taboos – the chances are that is very much not the case. Its an old show, it has an established audience (apparently a bipartisan audience amazingly) and therefore breaking boundaries the way more modern shows have (such as American Gods, How to Get Away with Murder and Orange is the New Black) just isn’t really in the cards. Those shows established the taboo stories, the queer main characters, the representation, from the start. They built their audience on those foundations. SPN can’t do that without isolating part of its audience – unless it thinks very carefully as to how it may present such notions.
I hope I am explaining this in a way that makes sense. See this is of course about Bi!Dean and Destiel (as if anything on my blog WASN’T about those topics). Because here’s the thing. On any other, newer show, for Dean to come out as bisexual, for two male lead characters to enter into a homosexual relationship, it wouldn’t be a big deal. Those shows could build their audience around those concepts, because they would be ingrained into the show from the start.
For Supernatural, that sadly isn’t the case. SPN didn’t clearly establish Dean as Bisexual early on, and Destiel isn’t canon, it has always been the subject to interpretation with just enough ‘no homo’ so that anyone who chooses not to see it doesn’t have to (again, excluding 12x19 but we’ll get there)
One of the biggest hurdles to getting bi!dean and canon destiel, is for the SPN creators to overcome this fear that half their audience would reject them if they actually went there. It would be seen as coming ‘out of the blue’ and all those heteronormative people would raise their eyebrows and moan and be utterly confused by it.
That’s why Supernatural needs the buffers. It needs the gradual exposition, the subtle desensitisation of a general audience to anything even mildly “progressive”. If Supernatural wasn’t putting these buffers in place already, I would think we would have a problem. I would be much more apprehensive at even the idea that destiel could be a thing that is actually happening.
What is so fantastic, is that just like in 12x10 with the fem!Cas buffer that was Benjamin, we have already been getting buffers all throughout the last few seasons.
Here are some of my favourites:
Jesse x Cesar – 11x19 – These guys are my absolute favourite, they were created specifically to show the audience that you can be a gay man and also a macho man. That gay men aren’t stereotypes, that hunters can be gay and settle down and especially that gay romance doesn’t change the theme of the story. The big take away from this episode is that it shows the general audience that men like Dean Winchester can be gay/bisexual.
Hannah – 10x17 – This was a real eye opener for any Cas x Hannah shippers. Because Cas didn’t treat Hannah any different, and he had exactly the same warmth and affection for Hannah in her male vessel that he did in her female vessel. Basically this was a nice punch in the face for any homophobes watching. SPN doesn’t care about your heteronormative ships. You wanna ship Hannah x Cas? Fine! But Hannah’s in a dudes body now and guess what? Cas doesn’t care! How do you feel about THAT?
God is Bisexual – 11x20 – This was just a nice big fuck you to homophobes everywhere. Don’t like queer characters? This is NOT the show for you! Because in our world even GOD is queer! Yay for LGBT representation! It works as a buffer because once again it is sending a message to the general audience that this is the kind of thing you can expect on our show. We are changed now.
Dean rides Larry – 12x11 – Okay so maybe it’s not an obvious buffer, but it is kind of a subliminal message so I’m counting it. Dean riding that damn bull was the most sexual scene we have had on this show in seasons (and no that god awful thing that happened in 12x02 doesn’t count – nor does the same god awful thing from 12x08). The jokes alone, the sexual innuendos. This entire episode is loaded with subliminal messages basically screaming at the general audience to maybe just consider the fact that Dean likes guys.
12x06/12x20 – Max Banes – like Jesse and Cesar Max works as a buffer because he is another way to get the general audience used to the idea that characters that are similar to Dean Winchester can be queer and it’s no big deal. Max is badass, funny, smart and charming and also 100% canonically queer (whether gay or bi we know textually that he is totally into dudes). Sam and Dean don’t bat an eyelid at his sexuality, so neither should the audience. It is just one part of his character and certainly not what his story is all about. Max is proof that you can have a queer character who is a badass and a hunter whose story is basically nothing to do with their sexuality. Their sexuality just happens to be a part of who they are.
And finally – Destiel – season 12 – I’m making this its own buffer because honestly? There is no way to view Dean and Cas’s relationship as non-romantic at this point. I think that the writers have slowly been turning up the dial on Destiel probably since 11x18. 12x19 really drummed it in for us though. The angel/human love themes of 12x10, the textual “I love you” in 12x12, the MIXTAPE and everything else about 12x19. This is all preparation. It is indeed a build up to a reveal. Destiel is it’s own buffer and even if people do still accuse it of ‘coming out of nowhere’ once it goes canon, all the writers have to do is gesture at season 12 and the fucking mixtape scene and say to those people “in what universe does the gifting of a mixtape between people who are not explicitly related NOT have romantic connotations?” Only a fool would argue with that if they had any knowledge of pop culture history. Sorry, but that’s the truth.
Anyway, that’s my thoughts on that. A show with a long established audience about to make a move that could potentially appear (but not really) out of left field would need to build up that move through a series of well thought out buffers, symbols, themes and subliminal messages before actually making it.
Like how Benjamin was the writers way of normalising Cas’s female vessel, the past two seasons have been a journey to normalise bi!dean and destiel in preparation for making both of these things explicitly canon. Yes we still have a way to go - it still needs to be stated explicitly in the text that Dean is into guys, in love with Cas bla bla bla, but we are getting there.
In summary. Destiel is endgame. Dean is bisexual. The general audience better learn to throw their heteronormative goggles in the bin because this is the state of this show right now, and it is good.
This makes me so happy
Destiel relationship development is shown each time Cas dies. #1 he explodes and dean is bummed. #2 the leviathan drag him into the water. Dean takes the coat with him and has a quivering lip bobby-“you just lost the best friend you ever had” #3 dean fights like hell to find him in purgatory and cant contain his joy when he’s alive #4 died in s12 Dean couldn’t even function Had no faith, wanted to die. Destiel is a fricken slow burn but its sure as hell burning! We’re on the right track!!!
OOH. But I have some addenda to this:
1. He explodes (in 4.22), Dean is bummed in 5.01, but also angry and inspired to fight in Cas’s name (*blasts Zachariah with a banishing sigil* Learned that from my friend Cas, you son of a bitch.)
2. He explodes again (in 5.22), and Dean is distraught, but his problems are only escalating. Lucifer/Sam kills Bobby a moment later, and Dean’s still gotta stand up to FUCKING LUCIFER so this is no time to break down and cry, you know? And by the time Sam takes back control and flings himself into Hell, Dean’s got… nothing, and then Cas comes back, heals him and Bobby, and then flaps off again. But Dean’s made a “dying wish” type promise to Sam to get out of the life, to get out of hunting, and live normal… so he lets Cas go… (WORST. PROMISE. EVER. oh my god, I’m still bitter over that.)
3. in 7.01, it looks like Cas is dead for a hot minute right after he returns the souls to Purgatory. Dean looks like he’s gonna cry, and then miraculously, Cas resurrects (again!) This is about the most painful thing in the world, because he gets to be alive for like… three whole minutes before…
4. in 7.02 the Leviathans walk him into that lake and explode him… This is the first time Dean wonders if Cas really isn’t gonna come back, you know? He had THREE TIMES before this, but as the days turn to weeks and Cas isn’t back, he’s got to be wondering. Except… through that whole time, through that long string of stolen cars, during a year when Dean had just about everything (including his own identity) stripped from him HE STILL CARRIES CAS’S COAT WITH HIM. *cries forever about a desperately-in-need-of-laundering overcoat* (come on, you know that thing was drenched in Dean’s tears, okay? he cried A LOT in s7))
5. Purgatory. and then everything AFTER Purgatory, through brainwashing (a kind of death of personhood) right up through 8.23 and “So, what, ET goes home?” and just *rips out own heart because it hurts less*
6. Not really a death, but in 11.01/11.02/11.03 when– despite the terrifying and unknown threat of the Darkness– he’s still primarily driven by worry/fear over Cas. He knows Cas is in trouble, and in 11.01 his primary reason for wanting to kill the “zompires” and escape the hospital is so they can find and help Cas. This only gets more intense as…
7. Post 11.14, when he learns that Cas has been possessed by Lucifer. Finding and Saving Cas becomes Dean’s ONLY mission for most of the rest of s11. Sure, Cas isn’t dead, but HECK, you know?
8. 12.19/12.20, Dean’s terror that Jack has “done something” to Cas, and rendered Cas unable to assert his own will, brings back horrors of s8 when Cas was being controlled by Naomi. Leading us up to the horrific angst of…
9. 12.23. This was the first time that Dean had seen Cas die by angel blade. This was the first time he’d seen Cas with the full burnt-out wingprints. Somewhere deep down, Dean knew this was different. This wasn’t something Cas would just miraculously pop back from. God wasn’t answering the phone anymore, and Dean had no hope that Cas could come back from this. He burnt him.
This was the first time he’d had a body to burn. The first time he’d had to wrap Cas and build a pyre and watch him burn. “What’s burned stays dead.” (which is such a disturbing thing when we’re talking about the slowest of slow burns here)
Until it doesn’t.
But yeah, Dean was ready to die in relatively short order when he thought Cas was gonna be gone for good. But then he came back… and not everything is all just hunky-dory, but heck… at least he’s back.
And now it’s Dean who needs saving from Michael, very much like Cas needed saving from Lucifer in s11. It’s time to see this situation reversed.
Hey guys, guess what, I’m crying
Now let me tell you why
@astralgabriel posted this gif recently and I realized
Look who he makes a bee-line for
He doesn’t even look at anyone else, he just books it to Sam immediately and he jumps in front of him no one else. He looks almost worried, very protective.
He stops immediately in front of Sam and turns around ready to fuck shit up, knowing damn well he isn’t strong enough to take them, but he still planted himself in front of Sam and I’m emotional.
LOOK AT HIM SQUARING UP IN FRONT OF SAM
He only starts to relax when he realizes Lucifer killed the angels. But guys if you notice, everytime there was something major happening he always checked on Sam and focused on Sam. Just like he stared at Sam before he stepped up to Michael. He looked at Sam back in hammer of the gods. Sam always seems to be the most important thing in his mind in stressful situations. I feel like that little scene in exodus should get more recognition so here @softiesabriel please notice my post ahh. @letbuckyeathisgoddamnplums
Speaking of Castiel’s emotional development, the Cas we saw in the altered timeline wasn’t just S4 era Cas. S4 Cas confessed his doubts very early on to Dean. S4 Cas was fascinated with Dean personally at the outset. Dean accessed what was already in Cas and drew it out.
The Cas we meet in 14.13 is one who never encountered Dean at all. The angel reprogramming got locked in hard. He’s not just soldier Cas of S4, he’s far worse, more far gone. He’s Zachariah’s enforcer nothing more. He kills who Zach tells him to kill. He doesn’t question. He displays no curiosity. He is a stone cold killing machine.
This Cas has become the hammer our S4 Cas, very early in S4, rejected as his identity. Misha plays him differently than S4 Cas, who was very reserved and soldier-like…but not like this. This isn’t restoring Cas to his former BAMF glory. It’s depicting Cas who has turned into nothing but a weapon.
This ep was so important highlighting not just Cas’s growth from his S4 tentative beginnings but appreciative of his whole path. Like Sam and Dean, he ceased to be who he is in the alternate timeline. It wasn’t spelled out in dialogue as with Sam and Dean but before you feel too saddened there wasn’t more Cas pov remember he had a major self-actualization expression earlier in S14. “The basic me.” Cas has already reached where Dean goes here with “I’m good with who I am.” In 14.13 SPN was just reminding us of the good that is the Cas that became, underlining in highlighter and doodling little hearts around it, just in case we missed the memo S14 was already sending us.
Take a look at this exchange from 4.07. Look at 14.13 alternate Cas. Cry.
Castiel: These people, they’re all my father’s creations. They’re works of art. And yet, even though you stopped Samhain the seal was broken and we are one step closer to Hell on Earth for all creation. And that’s not an expression Dean. It’s literal. You of all people should appreciate what that means. Can I tell you something if you promise not to tell another soul?
Dean Winchester: Okay.
Castiel: I’m not a hammer, as you say. I have questions. I-I have doubts. I don’t know what is right and what is wrong anymore, whether you passed or failed here. But, in the coming months, you will have more decisions to make. I don’t envy the weight that’s on your shoulders, Dean. I truly don’t.
Our Cas coming home to the bunker at the end of 14.13, his whole demeanor softened, how he carries himself, how he moves, the gentleness in his face, with Sam, Dean, and Mary’s upturned faces staring because of the sheer sense of relief their Cas has returned (and Mary didn’t even see alternate Cas directly and she seems a bit shook even but not like Sam and Dean).
ET goes home…to his human family.
Hi. I really enjoy your blog and thank you for being so positive. All the negativity about last night's ep bothers me. I would love to see Dean/Cas finally have that big moment, but it wouldnt make for good story telling if we got it so easily. I have felt since s12...we are getting real personal growth! I also feel something big is coming for Dean/Cas with how they have kept them apart and all the emotional baggage getting adressed. There has been no hug either and there is so much unsaid. ❤
Yeah, I mean… I watch the show with the full knowledge that no matter how important Dean and Cas’s relationship is, even to the actual structure of the narrative, the way they’re writing the story and the actual focus of the main plot… will never focus that directly on destiel. This doesn’t mean I think destiel isn’t A Thing they are writing, just that Who Dean Is As A Person and Who Cas Is As A Person both take narrative precedence over the potential for a textual romantic relationship going forward for them.
I have no idea how to say that without sounding negative about it or drawing wank on it, which is why I don’t usually attempt to state it so blatantly in public. But I am 100% not negative about this. I’m just speaking about it from a narrative structure perspective here, which I’ve been yelling FOR LITERAL YEARS bears a close resemblance to the structure of 1001 Nights, and the Scheherazade/Shahryar relationship. Their romance is NEVER in the foreground of the tale, and yet somehow the entirety of 1001 Nights IS THE OVERARCHING STRUCTURE OF THEIR ROMANCE. Other aspects of the story are more pressing (like Scheherazade having sacrificed herself in the attempt to stop other women from being killed every morning, but not actually wanting to die herself because She Is Smart and Has A Plan and showed up with a buttload of awesome stories to slowly guide her plan to fruition). All those stories she weaves, in the gaps between them, she and Shahryar slowly fall in love. It’s not something they confess out loud, but it is something they both gradually begin to feel and to understand. Their interpersonal side-plot grows slowly, over 1001 actual nights of storytelling and companionship, and it takes nearly THREE YEARS of constant nightly stories, never letting one story end at the wrong time (at daybreak, when Shahryar might choose to kill her, but always timing it JUST RIGHT so that he’d ask for another story to fill the hours until dawn… which would inevitably be interrupted on a cliffhanger with words unspoken still between them… interrupting moose, anyone? That would be Scheherazade’s sister, Dunyazade, who accompanied her on what was supposed to be Scheherazade’s literal last night on Earth, but whose prompting and strategic interruptions actually furthered the romantic tension growing between Scheherazade and Shahryar, preventing their story from coming to an end too soon).
So while Scheherazade and Shahryar and their slow fall into love with one another is literally fundamental to the entire narrative, there was no way for any of it to pay off before the end of the larger narrative, you know?
If Scheherazade can patiently continue spinning out her stories, setting her own eventual (hopeful!) personal happiness aside because she sees the bigger picture at stake, then I can certainly wait until the end of Supernatural, however long it continues until its story is finally done.
Does this mean I’m saying that romantic love confessions and a clear, undeniable canon romantic relationship will factor in to the ending of the series? Nope. I have no guarantees to offer. But it does mean that as long as the show keeps factoring the fundamental importance of their relationship into the larger overarching narrative, as well as their own personal character arcs, and continuing to poke at it both through narrative mirrors and textually laying Big Questions for them out on the table, then I’m gonna be Scheherazade about it.
Every episode begins (emotionally, for me) with the Dread Pirate Roberts having spared Westley’s life because of True Love, and telling him “I’ll most likely kill you in the morning.” But then he doesn’t… and he continues not killing him, because it was all about true love. (yes, I’m saying the Princess Bride is a twist on the 1001 Nights narrative, at least insofar as The Dread Pirate Roberts persona goes. I mean… the parallel goes a lot deeper than this, into so much more of the metaphorical journey, the Hero’s Journey to prove himself worthy to his True Love, the quest for justice when he doubts the strength of that love to transcend death, after it was literally stolen away from him… I mean, this parallel also runs deep).
So that’s where we are with destiel. I’m perfectly 100% happy with that. Because I’m content to engage with the narrative they are actually presenting, and not delusionally projecting my own desire for Dean and Cas to just be happy now onto it in a way that it just does not exist in canon, you know?
All that said, YES. How long has it been since we’ve had a simple, “Hello, Dean.” Or even a HUG between them… since 13.06? YIKES THAT IS A WHILE. And we didn’t even get to hear the Hello, Dean at the end of 13.05 that we all yelled at the TV to fill that silent gap when Dean answered the phone and it was Cas calling him.
I choose to believe that the show is following their own unofficial theme song in this regard, though. They’ll be able to be happy at the end of the road. “There’ll be peace when you are done.” And until then, they’ve got a lot of road to cover, and a long way to go, and a lot of extraneous baggage to deal with. But they’re getting there, because they’ve always been headed there, even when they weren’t entirely sure where “there” was, you know?
But now we know Dean DOES know, at least in a general way. He’s not longing for a life that isn’t his anymore. He doesn’t feel cheated out of the white picket fence, apple pie life anymore. He’s made his own family (which absolutely does include Cas), and he recognizes there’s still work for them to do, but Dean himself is good with that. He’s in a strangely healthier place than he’s ever been in his whole entire life, including 4-year-old him who never knew death and fire and tragedy.
And that’s absolutely something to carry forward, wherever the road may lead.
And that’s also why I’ll eternally be frustrated with fandom bitterness over the literal structure of the entire narrative. I mean, this is not gonna change. This is the main story they are telling, and how they’re telling it. I only hope that being able to get some perspective on that will help people keep all of this in mind and truly appreciate the beauty of it all. This is why I personally feel this has the potential to be the greatest love story ever told, because it’s so much more than just an angel falling from heaven and raising a man from hell, and then meeting in the middle. It’s about BOTH of them, their choices, their failures and successes, and this entire process of understanding who they are in the larger structure of the universe, and who they could potentially be to one another.
And I wouldn’t have it any other way.
ANDREW
The troll is back! 😂😂
This is another one of those what’s happening if it’s not Dean flirting scenes for me. I mean, Sam freaking clears his throat to get them to stop making smirky head bobby, head tilty staring faces at each other. Dean’s little bounce as he holds the morgue guy’s attention. And the morgue guy’s little whoa, was I just lost in this FBI dude’s eyes shit. Dean’s let me just look over here at the dead body while Sam gives him the classic seriously, Dean, right now? We’re working. {7.13}
Flirting? I don’t know what you’re talking about, it’s not like less than one minute later Dean talks about having a job with crazy hours and good benefits with a woman
and there’s a lot of staring and nodding
I totally don’t know what you might mean ;)
This rumor is PARTIALLY CONFIRMED.
This rumor originates with a tumblr post from the ChiCon meet and greet.
Misha Collins was asked about a comment made by Ben Edlund regarding the resolution of a relationship on the show:
And [Misha] sorta rolled his eyes and said, C’mon, in the first few episodes, Dean’s running around Purgatory, chopping off heads, Where’s the angel, where’s the angel, you know, the guy I’m in love with?
Us: I DON’T REMEMBER DEAN SAYING THAT!!
Misha: He might as well have. You know, we know what it is, what’s going on. We don’t talk about it. The actors don’t, Jensen and I don’t. But we’re all perfectly aware of how the relationship is, the writers are completely aware of how it’s being written. It may be unspoken but that doesn’t mean it’s not there or not true.
See the original post by tumblr user lurea for the entire report.
This post by themanwhowouldbeoverlord corroborates the above report.
In subsequent conventions, Misha has made other comments about Destiel. At ECCC 2013 he said,
“It’s a funny thing because we…don’t really talk about [Destiel] much….But I do think we all pay lip service to it. For instance, this I should not be saying, there was a line… where Jensen’s character…says ‘I love you’ to Castiel.” (Watch his entire discussion of Destiel at ECCC here, youtube video posted by seeker07.)
At NJCon 2013, Misha also said,
“I probably shouldn’t talk about it…. actually that’s probably the right answer,” and then, “There is clearly a very, very profound bond between them… there are a million different interpretations open…it’s a lot of things, it’s deep and meaningful… Is it love? Probably. What does that mean? It’s a million different things, I don’t know… At the very least it’s a complex relationship. One of them is….a celestial wavelength of intent. Which is obviously a difficult being to have a relationship with….It’s an intense relationship…They, they love each other, but it’s purely sexual.” (Watch Misha’s entire discussion of Destiel at NJCON 2013 here. Video by Heather Racicot)
Given the sources above, we can partially confirm this rumor. Misha Collins never says “Destiel is true,” but he does acknowledge a special relationship between the Dean and Castiel characters. (As always, if we’re missing a convention or quote from Misha regarding this topic, please let us know!)
Notes:
Anon asked specifically about what Misha said, and this post exclusively answers that question. This has no impact on a) what type of relationship Destiel is (sexual/romantic/otherwise, ymmv) or b) whether this means anything about the current or future “canonicity” of Destiel. Although as the actor playing Castiel he has unique insight into that character, he has no control over the direction of the storyline.
Misha Collins is a troll has a flair for the dramatic, and some of the things he says at conventions should not be taken at face value.
As lurea’s original report states, writer Ben Edlund’s quote about a “relationship on the show that fans like to speculate about will be resolved” may have been about a different show.
UPDATED 7/10/13: Here is a better version of the ECCC video (source: akemi yagami) , which includes the lead in question:
“There was a rumor going around tumblr that you were talking to a group of fans and you told them that you and Jensen and the writers were all aware of this love-connection between Dean and Castiel…did you really say this or did you just decide to troll the people you were talking to, shut down tumblr…” and at the end of Misha’s answer, he says, “But yes, I think that what I said was true, that I was right.“
Which confirms what was said at the ChiCon meet and greet.
Okay but
HE WAS NOT POINTING TO 2009 DEAN
2009 Dean turned his head, to see…
hm… i wonder who it could have been…
The Bruise as a Kiss - Cinematic Queerness and the Violence Between Dean and Cas in 14x13
AU!Cas beating up Dean in 14x13 Lebanon.
Firstly, a disclaimer:
NO, I do not condone violence in real-world relationships.
NO, being hit in real life is not a sign someone really loves you.
NO, a bruise is absolutely NOT a kiss IRL (unless in the context of sane, safe and consensual BDSM, not the gross fake Fifty Shades kind, or a consensual hickey).
However, because of the history of homosexuality on-screen - as prohibited, repressed, and often, therefore, signalled covertly via cinematic metaphor - in the world of the sliver screen, violence between men has often been used as a substitute for other kinds of (more forbidden) touch.
Remember Barbara Kruger’s on-point political art?
In his article, “Masculinity, The Male Spectator and the Homoerotic Gaze” (1998) American Studies Vol 48.4., Patrick Schukmann argues as follows:
Keep reading
Let’s talk about Cas…or more specifically about how there was some pretty heavy “Cas is into dudes” stuff going on in this episode.
Sam and Cas visited the owner of the B&B that Conrad had been staying at before his head exploded like “a ripe melon in the sun.” She had some pretty antiquated views in relation to gender roles, which we later learn is because the Mayor ostensibly had those same views - he talks about how terrible “modernisation” is. He created the town as a relic of a bygone era and that included the attitudes that people had about gender roles, whether it was the women being put in the traditional housewife role or the B&B owner:
“Not people, men. I only rent to young men. It’s not proper, young women living alone! Morals. You got to have morals.”
Immediately after which, her and Cas have this exchange
She emphasises the “you” and focuses specifically on Cas when she’s speaking, and is judgemental and almost accusatory. Cas picks up on this too. What exactly is it about Cas that seems to have offended her 1950s sensibilities about gender and morality? Hmm…
Not long after, Cas discovers the letters that Sunny had sent to Conrad and describes them as “surprisingly passionate”. What exactly is in those letters that Cas considers passionate?
Cas…what is your hand doing?
When he confronts Sunny later at the diner, he again brings up the letters, this time saying
He’s moved from “surprisingly passionate” to “steamy and erotic”. Alright then Cas.
(That’s not even including the fact that the B&B owner offered him Johnny Cakes, with all the implications that brings.)
This episode did something very interesting. In the past Spn has used the “mistaken for gay” thing and then made a joke out of it, but here after the B&B owner implies this in relation to Cas, there’s no punchline. In fact it’s followed up by Cas being shown to be deeply engrossed in the vivid descriptions a woman wrote about her lover’s dick. And that is the kind of growth I appreciate :L
I think the main framing over it overall which really seals the deal is how the spell didn’t affect Cas… And obviously for surface text reasons that’s because he’s an angel and it wouldn’t, but when we compare it to how in story terms, Sam ended up commanded to take a wife and all, Sam folds completely and toddles off to start his new life as Justin the ~moral~ heterosexual male dude. Cas being impervious also gives us Cas being immune to what the spell would have caused him to do - his entire resistance through the episode is built around not being wired the same as Sam.
It also reminds me of how Cas was commanded to take a wife in 8x23 by Metatron, and Cas took that as a general cue to how humans were supposed to live their life, to pretty disastrous effect in early season 9… Bobo was the only one to explore it properly and 9x06 was for a long time the only episode which queercoded Cas in a proper way beyond just implications about his feelings for Dean (12x10 is the only other episode to do so in my reckoning), but in showing him in this scenario where he’s mistaken for gay by Nora and trying desperately to pass as a normal human and if that means going on dates with women then wow he’s just doing great at being human, huh? (We know how that went for him)
I was also thinking about how this compares to Dean and 14x13 where John is sad Dean didn’t get the white picket fence and Dean says he has a family. The mayor dude getting sent to the happy past is very much how John was banished except in a more literal way of time travel rather than being forced inwards… Dean says he HAS a family but it’s not the white picket fence family and it’s Cas reminding Sam of Jack - their shared weird non-standard family values son - that ends up saving Sam from that ponytailed nightmare of a creation that was Justin. It makes me assume that Dean somehow might not have been affected too because he is now placidly beyond the white picket fence in his desires.
And of course, the ending of being locked in his head mirrors how the last HEAVILY queercoded episode for Dean was of course 14x10 where he was in Rocky’s and ended up closeting Michael in his head and all we wrote about that, so there’s all sorts of layers and reminders here.
And Cas is the adorable gay vector for it all :’)
Yes, all of this, especially the Metatron “take a wife thing”. At that point Metatron didn’t know Cas, where his loyalties laid, who he loved, so he instructs him to live a very generic, paint by the numbers life. His speech to Cas in 8x23 is the polar opposite of the one he gives him in 9x23. From “find a wife and make babies” to “ultimately it was all about one human.” Both Cas and Metatron had to go through the journey to accept that that would never be the kind of life Cas wanted. In this episode that’s a fact that Cas already knows and has accepted.
Also while we’re talking about the spell, what really intrigued me was the role that choice played in the whole illusion that was Charming Acres. It didn’t take much to snap some of the residents out of it. For the former Mr. Smith, all it took was noticing Sam’s cell phone for him to be reminded of his daughter and want to leave. When Cas was trying to get Sam to snap of it, Sam asks him why he would do that - he was happy there. It may not have been true happiness, but the residents who didn’t fight it could still reside in some kind of version of bliss. However even though this discussion about happiness was occurring around him, we don’t hear anything about Cas’ own personal happiness. It’s tied into the deal he made, that the Empty would take him when he gives himself permission to be happy, when he let’s the sun shine on his face.
I just find it very interesting that this season has been leaning pretty hard on the whole “allowing yourself to be happy is a choice thing.