just a place for me to Scream

99% salt, 1% patience mostly me being angry about controversial things but i debate sometimes

[agro-carnist]

ARAs wanna fuck around but they don't wanna find out

[corbinite]

Totally normal behavior

[agro-carnist]

I think you are a little bit obsessed with us rn my dude

[faggy-fag]

Whys it always the annoying white dude with a bad chinstrap who decide to be the most annoying and do the internet equivalent of

[corbinite]

So you pick up and put down your convictions based on whatever's momentarily convenient

[faggy-fag]

When its white assholes, yes. :)) When you're walking around calling people freaks because you're an ableist asshole those don't apply to you anymore, when you literally started it by throwing names and insults at people you don't know, yes.

[corbinite]

Sadistic circle jerk posts about animal rights activists dying is freakish behavior. Are you trying to "sorry that's my emotional support activist death" this situation by saying that's ableist? Pretty sure there's no mental health disorder that just makes you treat people like that. But that IS an ableist stereotype. So maybe you should check yourself?

[vegance]

somewhat controversial maybe, but it really annoys me when vegans say they think vegetarians are “worse than meat eaters”. like…I get the frustration, but what is our actual goal here?

right now I think it’s primarily to reduce the suffering and harm done to non human animals by us, and also mitigate the negative environmental, human rights and public health issues connected to that.

vegetarians are doing FAR more than the vast majority of people on this planet for that goal.

they’re also more likely to go vegan, many vegans started out as vegetarians.

we should not be losing sight of what’s important in all the frustration and sadness with the state of things

[sqokscreams]

yeahhh..... no vegetarians aren’t worse than meat eaters but they’re just as bad. literally all they’re doing is replacing meat with some other animal products. i don’t get how you can think that’s causing less harm because its not lmao i dont see how being vegetarian makes someone more likely to go vegan than a meat eater either like.... they both don’t care about the ethics of eating animal products. some people might be vegetarian because meat causes suffering but they completely ignore the harm honey, eggs, milk, etc causes. its not really any different than meat-eating “animal lovers” buying free-range because they think its more ethical. what’s important here is how many animal products someone eats, not what animal products they decide to eat. and unless there are studies that prove vegetarians eat less animal products than meat eaters, being vegetarian is completely useless

[anarchotolkienist]

People keep misreading ALFs actions to be about 'Oh haha stupid vegans don't understand that domesticated shrews (or whatever) don't survive in the wild' rather than what they actually are, which is industrial sabotage, attacking the profits of that business. Also I hate to be From the Country on Main but a lot of farmers are not working class, please. If they employ people to do the work for them, most commonly hyperexploited immigrant labour, they're pretty bourgeois or bourgeois, no matter if they have a rural accent and wear overalls or wear suits. But I'm sure you felt very radical siding with agro-capital and the State against a bunch of eco-anarchists, so I hope the satisfaction of Dunking on Ze Vegans was worth it.

[acti-veg]

what's with the anti-vegan obsession with eating locally?

It presents quite a conveniently vague way of claiming to be committed to eating sustainably without actually having to change what you’re eating. Changing where the food you eat is from, while positive, is just not very effective when compared with changing what you eat, which people would find out immediately if they did any serious research on the topic. But they’re not actually looking for the most effective thing, whether consciously or not, what they are actually looking for is the thing that helps protect their self perception without involving any real self sacrifice.

[sqokscreams]

vegan news compilation to help u feel less hopeless about the state of the world: march 2022

vegan fried chick*n brand launches in the us

plant-based covid vaccine approved in canada

PeaTos brand goes vegan

world’s first vegan-certified paracetamol lands in germany

slugs no longer denounced as ‘pests’ by uk’s top garden charity

first vegan cooking competition ‘peeled’ coming to US television

83% of veganuary participants plan to make permanent changes to their diet

8 big cats rescued from circuses arrive at south african wildlife sanctuaries

washington’s 2022 spring bear hunt cancelled

51% of german consumers reduced meat intake in the last year

[sqokscreams]

Ik you haven’t been active for awhile but just so you know, severelynerdysheep is a terf now so would recommend blocking her

ye i know, thanks for the warning anyway

was actually thinking of deleting any posts ive reblogged from her but idk how time consuming that would be and ive been pretty busy lately... but i promise ive got her blocked too and 100% dont support her

either way yeah psa for my followers shes not a good person

[sqokscreams]

vegan news compilation to help u feel less hopeless about the state of the world: february 2022

dog meat auction exposed in investigation ordered to shut down

germany bans culling of male chicks

hawaii bans shark fishing

store stops selling fish bowls that drive fish insane

kenya airlines stops importing monkeys for research

school debuts plant-based meal program for students amid rising demand

sales for plant-based food catapulted by 500% at aldi this veganuary

federal protections back for gray wolves in 44 US states

convenience killings to be criminalized in new south wales

[acti-veg]

I am seeing an increasing number of popular posts equating veganism with colonialism and a settler mentality while supporting animal agriculture, one of the biggest threats to indigenous sovereignty, a main driver of deforestation and an industry quite literally murdering indigenous peoples for profit.

For those who want to take a more balanced approach to this issue, here are some resources specifically relating to veganism, indigenous issues and the threat of animal agriculture:

Land Back and Animal Agriculture

Indigenous communities fighting factory farming

Factory farming exploits indigenous communities

Factory farming impacts on indigenous communities

Threats to indigenous survival

UN: Threats to indigenous food systems

Is Veganism a Colonising Diet?

Commercial fisheries sabotaging indigenous fishing

Seafood and food sovereignty

Fishery monitors disappearing under suspicious circumstances

Overfishing robbing indigenous communities of their livelihood

Indigenous peoples losing their fisheries

Indigenous people abused and attacked over fishing rights

First Nations Failing Fisheries

Global Slavery Index: Fishing

Brazil indigenous people hunted by cattle ranchers

Brazil illegal ranching

Cattle ranchers destroying Amazon

Growing Assault on Brazil’s Indigenous Areas

Amazon’s indigenous warriors take on invading loggers and ranchers

Cattle ranching displaces indigenous peoples

Veganism And Mi'kmaq Legends: Feminist Natives Do Eat Tofu

Aotearoa Liberation League

Intersectional veganism as tool of decolonisation

Deconstructing Myths Surrounding Veganism & People of Color

The roots of veganism aren’t white

You can be indigenous and vegan

Indigenous culture has strong ties to veganism

Veganism and Mi’kmaq legends

Exploring Indigenous Māori Veganism

[sobadpink]

“Animals eat other animals all the time so there’s no reason to be vegan”

Yet many animals don’t eat other animals, why not emulate them? Is that not just as silly an argument? Why’d you choose the obligate carnivore to base your dietary model on?

[sqokscreams]

vegan news compilation to help u feel less hopeless about the state of the world: january 2022

companies drop hot products for veganuary 2022

tiger king’s jeff lowe banned from owning animals for life

this year, someone new is signing up for veganuary every 2.5 seconds

5 year old vegan campaigner inspires footwear shop to sell its first vegan shoes

italy bans fur farming

vfc secures 10 million in funding after helping spare 60,000 birds’ lives

cinnaholic to open 25 new locations after selling $20 million worth of vegan cinnamon rolls in 2021

deliveroo hands out £10,000 worth of vegan food to customers

3D-printed vegan steak company secures $135 million in funds

dolce & gabbana bans fur

cultured meat startups merge to create sustainable future

nearly $13 million donated to animal charities in honor of betty white

sinaloa bans bullfighting

[thequeercoalition]

[severelynerdysheep]

““We would finally have to confront our moral schizophrenia about animals, which leads us to love some animals, treat them as members of our family, and never once doubt their sentience, emotional capacity, self-awareness, or personhood, but at the same time we stick dinner forks into other animals who are indistinguishable in any relevant sense from our animal companions.””

— Gary L. Francione

[wild-neko]

As a vegan with a highly stigmatised mental illness, quoting someone who associates murdering animals with an already highly stigmatised diagnosis is pretty gross. The word ‘cognitive dissonance’ exists. Feel free to use it in stead of “‘X’ mental illness”. Thanks.

[severelynerdysheep]

Hi fellow vegan with stigmatized mental illness here, when I first saw the quote I had concerns about the use of the term too. But after reading the authors response to those who had similar concerns, I found that what he (and others) were saying made sense. I will link to the whole response here, but to quote: 

“ To say that we are delusional and confused when it comes to moral issues is not to say that those who suffer from clinical schizophrenia are immoral. It is only to say that many of us think about important moral matters in a completely confused, delusional, and incoherent way. I am certainly not saying that those who suffer from clinical schizophrenia are immoral!

To say that moral schizophrenia stigmatizes clinical schizophrenics is like saying that to talk about “drug use spreading like cancer” stigmatizes cancer victims.”

And yes, the term cognitive dissonance exists but the author explains in the post linked why he chose the term “moral schizophrenia” over other terms. Keeping in mind that this book was meant for folks who would likely not know what he was talking about if he used terms like cognitive dissonance. He wasn’t writing a book with a target audience of academics already familiar with animals rights. Different terms are more or less useful in different contexts, and to different audiences. 

“In any event, if “moral schizophrenia” is ableist, then so is the expression “drugs are a cancer on society” or “our polices in the Middle East are shortsighted” or “we are blind to the consequences of our actions” or “when it comes to poverty, our proposed solutions suffer from a poverty of ambition.”

[probablynotcavolo]

those other things are all ableist. just because you have a mental illness doesn’t mean you can’t say ableist things.

the author of that quote was just excusing his ableism with other ableist things people say, and so are you. we shouldn’t be calling ourselves blind to the consequences of our actions, or say things like “falling on deaf ears” it’s not okay just because it’s commonplace. all of those phrases are ableist!

the excuse that he was writing for a less academic audience doesn’t really matter, because i bet a lot of those people had mental illnesses, and were then alienated from his whole message.

stop excusing your ableism just because you feel like it benefits animal rights. it doesn’t, it alienates marginalized people from joining a movement that you claim to (and post) so much about. your posts come up a lot in my recommended because you use tags like #intersectionality, but this is absolutely not intersectional— i feel like the best thing to do is to always think about the impact your statement could have before you assume people will understand your intentions. they don’t really seem good or kind right now.

do some actual intersectional vegan reading, from black and indigenous women, not old white guy professors like francione who have never known anything but privilege and have never written about anything but animal rights. make an actual effort.

[severelynerdysheep]

Common language is ableist, got ya…Fortunately not everybody has the emotional constitution of a soggy napkin and are able to tell the difference between common language and actual ableism. I’m really darn sick of this kind of BS because it actually harms the efforts of disability rights advocates because people stop listening to you when you call them ableist for saying that something is shortsighted. Its also pretty insulting to disabled folks, as if we are so weak and feeble that someone using common language without a shred of malice is something that would effect us in the same way actual ableism affects us. 

[severelynerdysheep]

““We would finally have to confront our moral schizophrenia about animals, which leads us to love some animals, treat them as members of our family, and never once doubt their sentience, emotional capacity, self-awareness, or personhood, but at the same time we stick dinner forks into other animals who are indistinguishable in any relevant sense from our animal companions.””

— Gary L. Francione

[hel-awaits]

As a neurodivergent vegan, you can fuck all the way off comparing people not eating meat to mental illness. Could you sound like a more privileged piece of shit? Don’t answer, we all know the answer is “no, you couldn’t be a bigger piece of shit. ”

[severelynerdysheep]

Hey, also ND and mentally ill vegan here. I’ve already responded this morning so someone else making a similar (though much less rude) comment. But I will repost most of that response below: 

Hi fellow vegan with stigmatized mental illness here, when I first saw the quote I had concerns about the use of the term too. But after reading the authors response to those who had similar concerns, I found that what he (and others) were saying made sense. I will link to the whole response here, but to quote:

“ To say that we are delusional and confused when it comes to moral issues is not to say that those who suffer from clinical schizophrenia are immoral. It is only to say that many of us think about important moral matters in a completely confused, delusional, and incoherent way. I am certainly not saying that those who suffer from clinical schizophrenia are immoral!

To say that moral schizophrenia stigmatizes clinical schizophrenics is like saying that to talk about “drug use spreading like cancer” stigmatizes cancer victims.”

The author explains in the post linked why he chose the term “moral schizophrenia” over other terms. Keeping in mind that this book was meant for folks who would likely not know what he was talking about if he used terms like cognitive dissonance. He wasn’t writing a book with a target audience of academics already familiar with animals rights. Different terms are more or less useful in different contexts, and to different audiences.

“In any event, if “moral schizophrenia” is ableist, then so is the expression “drugs are a cancer on society” or “our polices in the Middle East are shortsighted” or “we are blind to the consequences of our actions” or “when it comes to poverty, our proposed solutions suffer from a poverty of ambition.”

[sqokscreams]

people getting so pissy in the notes damn

ur right op and u should say it

[oat-leaf]

The term “carnist” is seen by some as a radical and unnecessarily harsh term to refer to non-vegans.

It is, however, fundamental in promoting veganism. Animal exploitation in society has always been considered a way of life and a term for it was never needed because using animals “is just how it is”

Using a term such as “carnist” gives it a name and forces this ideology into question because at that point it makes it just that, an ideology, not a given way of life. Using this term makes people realize that animal exploitation is a choice and using it is absolutely necessary in our advocacy

[jenecheru-deactivated20211122]

I’ll take performative allyship for $500 Alex

[sqokscreams]

i know im gonna seem like the Sterotypical Human-Hating Vegan™ but if someone asks me about loving animals over humans its like…. yes??? humans are the most violent species on the planet and many are just heartless and cruel; we cause wars, kill eachother and other animals for fun, and all this other nasty shit. meanwhile animals will love & trust u as soon as they’re born, will be kind to u, cuddle with u, will trust u with their life, and not harm you without a good reason. of course i prefer animals over humans, humans are fucking shitty.

[sqokscreams]

@something-indecent-and-dramatic @naboosch stop fighting on my lawn you brats

naboosch im fine with debating and stuff but throwing random insults around doesn’t do jack shit to help animals or our cause. it only hurts them because people wont listen to you if u just insult them, especially when they havent done anything to deserve it in the first place. if u keep doing shit like this i’m gonna have to block you

of course animals are capable of doing some pretty terrible things but what they do is nothing in comparison to starting world wars, destroying entire habitats, causing mass extinctions, and killing billions a year out of convenience. animals killing eachother for survival is vastly different than humans causing all this harm for pretty much no reason; that was my point

also, people will eat literally any animal they lay their eyes on. the ‘toxicity’ of meat hasnt stopped us from eating it anyway; we cook meat to get rid of deadly bacteria instead of just foraging for some plants, we eat animals even though we’ve gotten a lot of diseases including covid because of it, hell we even eat fucking pufferfish even though they’re poisonous

[vegan-commie]

I have seen people interpret “reverse speciesism doesn’t exist” as “misanthropy is acceptable.” But, misanthropy is rarely ever only just misanthropy. Ecofascists use “misanthropy” to target and scapegoat immigrants and ethnic outgroups. Misanthropy always harms certain vulnerable groups more than others and so the saying “I’m not racist - I hate all humans equally” is bs

[mars-the-4th-planet]

Also it’s just a super annoying and off putting thing to say. You hate *all* humans? Then stop talking to them in your free time, go away. Makes me cringe every time I hear that stupid take about how all humans are putrid creatures who are full of evil and how *smart* it is to hate all of them.

[sqokscreams]

lmao boy do i fucking hate living on a planet where its considered cringey to dislike humanity for completely justifiable reasons such as all the atrocities we commit to eachother, animals and the earth on a daily basis and also acting like its inherently racist to be pissed off at all the destruction we’re responsible for