CHAPTER 5 SPOILERS!!!

She/her but they/them is fine too | Call me Angel | Adult | I follow from @spacejunkgalaxies. Chapter 5 Susie understander

[schoolhater]

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my friend siraj abudayeh (vetted on line 219), who i've posted about frequently, has been fundraising for his family's daily survival since june of this year. read more about him here, here, and here. follow him here: @siraj2024. he is a journalist who writes frequent updates about the situation in gaza, and it is always better to get the story from the source than filtered through a western lens.

as of about a week ago, he had raised over $90,000 CAD / $64,000 USD. he had withdrawn a portion of it to pay for various daily needs, medical care, and rent.

his fundraiser had been under investigation for a few weeks and the organizer, his cousin, even sent all of their government IDs to verify that they are real people.

despite this, gofundme deleted his fundraiser a week ago. he lost over $38,000 CAD ($27,000 USD). that is a monumental loss that would devastate anyone. but in gaza, it is the loss of a lifeline.

gofundme has a pattern of baselessly investigating and terminating fundraisers benefiting palestinians, often waiting until the campaign has reached the end of its goal to terminate it and refund all donors, leaving the refugees in the dust.

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[siraj2024]

My friends who donated to my campaign in the past months, the gfm website will return the money to you because the old campaign was deleted without any clear reason. I ask you to provide support here on the new campaign in the name of my sister Fatima, as this campaign is a lifeline for my large family after we were cut off from all means. We are no longer able to provide our daily needs.

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[susielesbianism]

"We can just be Noelle and Susie... together!"

lol this is all i have to show for this concept at the moment lmao. have some toxic yuri <3

[susielesbianism]

@mohluskiepedard you joke, but one time I was thinking out loud about how much I loved chapter 4 and ending up saying something like "this is the Deltarune I've been waiting for since chapter 1." Then I stopped dead in my tracks, thinking "that sounds like something toby would say. did he beam that thought directly into my brain??"

[susielesbianism]

I think that while we are rightfully suspicious of that bunker, we also need to pay a little closer attention to that goddamn lake

[susielesbianism]

I might even go as far as to say really ANYTHING where water is concerned actually

The fact that the portals to the Dark World are fountains

[ID: A screenshot from Deltarune. Kris and Susie are in a dark room standing before the Dark Fountain, a geyser with a complex graphical pattern that glows an ethereal green. End ID]

And how it uses the exact same graphic as the vessel creation sequence’s background

[ID: A screenshot from Deltarune. The same pattern from the fountain in the previous picture is used as the background, except it is deep blue instead of green. All caps text in front of it reads: “You must create a vessel.” End ID]

Onion’s secret that they reveal to Kris

[ID: Two screenshots from Deltarune. Kris stands before Hometown’s lake, from which Onion, a large sea creature akin to an onion, appears. A shadow passes over its grin as it says, “Sometimes… I hear a song at night.” It’s face turns sheepish as it continues: “It sounds like… it’s coming from under the water. Deep.” End ID]

And the soundbyte that plays in the black screen before Kris wakes up in the Dark World…

[ID: A screenshot from Deltarune. Kris lies face-down and unconscious in a barren Dark World. End ID]

… being called ocean.ogg.

[eudevie]

I would also like to add the Riverperson says this. You know, the person who warns you about “The man who came from the other world” and “Beware of the man who speaks in hands”

If stuff about the sea is THIS far back, it has to be a major plot thing.

[susielesbianism]

[ID: A screenshot from Undertale. Frisk is riding the River Person’s boat through Waterfall as the River Person says “Tra la la. Did you ever hear the old song coming from the sea?” End ID]

YEAH. I think I actually planned on adding that and forgot, so thank you!

[agentravensong]

I remember learning about the ocean.gg thing in a YouTube video and going on a frenzied search for any other potential water stuff in DeltaRune. In addition to the old song from the sea (which the video also brought up) and the fountains, here were my findings:

This line from if you beat Jevil by fighting him: “SOON, THE “QUEEN” RETURNS, AND HELL’S ROAR BUBBLES FROM THE DEPTHS…“ We now know this was foreshadowing Queen and the end of Chapter 2, but the phrasing of the roar bubbling from the depths definitely catches my eye.

The shadow crystals are described in your dark world inventory as ”A sharp shadow moves like water in the hand.“ Other than the naming of the fountains, it’s the most direct association I’ve found of darkness/shadow with water.

Character-wise, I can’t help but think of Gerson and Alvin, two monsters based on turtles (animals that live in the ocean and on land), and wonder if they were made turtles for the sake of a metaphor about them dwelling in both the dark and light worlds. There are certainly hints that Gerson was involved in dark worlds in the past (the bench in his honor which encourages students to dream, his old classroom being the first proper dark world we visit, his knowledge of the Delta Rune in UnderTale, and him having been an author in a game where dark worlds seem to be a metaphor for fictional stories), and considering Alvin is involved with the light world’s Angel-based religion, and is apparently planning something with Gerson’s hammer, I’m fairly sure they’ll play into the history of the Dark Worlds.

While we’re on the topic of suspicious ocean-related characters, there’s obviously Onionsan, but also, Clam Girl. You know, the one who teased “Suzy” in UnderTale, who can become a Goner in the switch version with a line that teased DeltaRune’s release, and who you get faked out for in Chapter 2 if you fail to talk to Onionsan in chapter 1.

It’s also worth considering that both Gerson and Clam Girl come from UnderTale’s water-themed area, Waterfall, which itself is one of, if not the, most mysterious areas in UnderTale. @you-can-always-come-home has some great posts about this: [1] [2] [3]

And then, there’s this bit from UnderTale: “humans are made mostly of water”. Which, yes, is just a true fact. But it’s pointed out in comparison to monsters being made of magic. And considering everything here, with water potentially = darkness and dreams… If we then look to our friend Kris, who turns pale blue in the dark worlds, and who, if they look at themself through the shadow crystal, briefly finds their hand to be transparent… Perhaps there’s something concerning there.

In regards to what the purpose/meaning of this connection is, I had two thoughts I left in the comments of that vid that I’ll share here too.

Theory 1: The dark worlds are maybe meant to parallel (or be foreshadowed by) the trash dump in Waterfall. An area full of discarded items, flowing down into an unknown depth. A place where at least one of those items (thanks to Mad Dummy) gets new life. A place Frisk falls into, much like how Kris initially falls into the dark world. idk what would actually be being said by such a parallel, though. Unless Deltarune is literally taking place at the bottom of the waterfalls in the trash dump. Somehow.

Theory 2: The dark worlds are reflections of the light world. Both in how they’re based on the light world locations, and with certain characters seeming to parallel light world characters (like Queen seemingly paralleling Noelle’s mother in some ways). And, well, you can see reflections on the surface of bodies of water. But those reflections disguise the true natures of what’s under those depths.

You know how there’s a weird dissonance between Queen saying the Cyber World fountain was just made the day of chapter 2, but the characters seem to have a history older than that, including stuff like Tasque Manager somehow recognizing Jevil’s items even though he’s from a whole other dark world? Maybe the *versions* of the dark worlds we see, reflections of the light world maintained by the fountains, are new… but the “depths” of the dark worlds are both older and connected to each other, in ways we are so far unable to perceive or explore.

This could mean, depending on the actual mechanics of it, that we could seal all the fountains, saving the world and cutting off the light and dark worlds, without completely destroying the dark worlds and darkners. Assuming that’s the resolution DeltaRune is building to.

[abandoned-quiche]

allegedly the Grand Fountain has existed for millenia, and i highly doubt the school has existed for all of time. you know what is unfathomably ancient? the ocean. and when you enter the closet dark world, unlike with all other dark worlds, you’re able to walk inside, and there’s normal objects inside, until the floor collapses. so what i’m thinking is, the Grand Fountain isn’t in the closet, but rather under it.

perhaps some sort of underground reservoir connected to the ocean through a cave system idk. maybe just the bunker. maybe the bunker is connected to the lake. maybe it goes under the lake and that’s where the singing is coming from. one of these has gotta stick right?

[abandoned-quiche]

Hey so there’s even more to this water theory stuff.

First, I’d recommend reading this post by @agentravensong as well as the post of mine that they linked in that post, as they’re good context.

Now, have yourself a look at this observation by u/LimeLampShape on Reddit.

Let’s take a closer look at that “original sprite.”

You see it too, right? Rotate it 180°, and…

It’s the ocean. It’s waves! It’s WATER! 🎉 And I do think it looks quite a bit similar to what the artist was trying to portray in the LEGEND.

So… what does this mean? Does the gonermaker sequence take place at WORLDS’ EDGE? It would make sense that it would have the same texture as the fountains, which connect the two worlds and thus could absolutely be described as “WORLDS’ EDGE”.

What does it all mean?

[susielesbianism]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[gonermaker-ocpicrew]

transfem ralsei becoming tenatively canon and thus more widespread has led to an uptick in “what if ralsei’s transition DID fit the oppressive prophecy that the was set up as an antagonistic force at deltarune’s halfway point? 😍 what if the oppressive prophecy had this in store the whole time🥰 so cute and poetic if this was written in the same imposing, apparently unshakable text as the final tragedy💗”

[birdplushie]

fiction can be really dangerous there might be a deeply tragic woman in there who starts living in your head forever

[susielesbianism]

Can't believe I just had to block two people for putting suselle hate in the suselle tag. you people are obnoxious

[susielesbianism]

i have to wonder sometimes if toby always intended for transfem ralsei to be canon, or if he was just writing about a character gradually defining their identity as a person and along the way went "waaaait... I know how I can make this even better..."

[susielesbianism]

I think that while we are rightfully suspicious of that bunker, we also need to pay a little closer attention to that goddamn lake

[chestersbraincell]

Hey.

[susielesbianism]

hi. :))))

[susielesbianism]

i'm caught up now.

[susielesbianism]

the ending made me fucking sob. like a baby.

we've been debating on where Susie's home is, mostly zeroing in on the apartments, but really? it doesn't matter. it doesn't matter where she lives in the light world -- the dark world is her home. it always will be her home.

and she'll get to welcome her new love there, soon. she has found home, and she's going to share it with the people closest to her.

[susielesbianism]

and it is its own world. but it is also a supply closet. but she has so many friends there. but they are objects. but they are real people. but they can't come with her whenever she needs to go to the light world. but she gets to eat all sorts of delicious food. but it will never truly fill her like light world food does.

the duality of having your true home lie in a fantasy world. both heartwarming and heartwrenching in equal measure.

[pubbee]

So yea Susie caught on right? Susie is understanding what's at stake here not just for the world, but the fact that Kris is up to something, and getting Noelle involved isn't just to get to the shelter, but also because she's realizing that Noelle is right in that Kris isn't totally themself like she thought and she wants another eye on them.

Like she was suspecting it was Kris who made the Flower King fountain, all those times she was alone with Flowery who was Telling Her Everything... She knows.

[susielesbianism]

currently possessed by a demon called aborted weird route suselle toxic yuri

[tvlandofficiall]

obligatory "watsonian discussion of a broader doylistic issue" disclaimer here, but i keep thinking about how awful asgore is and it keeps resulting in me coming to see the sympathetic side of flowery more. it really does seem upon replaying the chapter that asgore is content enough with the flower friends when they're inanimate, but as soon as they start asking things of him and acting like people, he suddenly sees them as imposing on him and what he wants to do. it's ironic, in a sense, because the flowers have so little in the way of wants that don't concern asgore as is. it makes it all the worse when asgore rebukes them at the end of the chapter, only deciding to take care of them again for his own sake. and it reflects poorly on his treatment of the other lightners in his life; dess, who he seems to only preoccupy himself with for his own sake, and who he does not even give the honor of naming in discussing his role in her past; and toriel, who he cannot identify as someone he has treated in a misogynistic manner, as someone he has treated with nothing but entitlement.

[susielesbianism]

all eyes are on you now fangamer. announce the deltarune vocal album now and my life is yours.

[susielesbianism]

oh. i get it. it snew. toby i'm gonna beat your ass.

[remynisce]

If it's what you ask for... If it's what you want..!

[susielesbianism]

to switch the topic for just a sec, i feel like the "you only headcanon ralsei as a trans girl because they're feminine!" group also associate being nice and friendly with femininity, so a nice and friendly and feminine "boy" becoming a girl is seen as even more regressive to them. so it's SO important that chapter 5 is the chapter where ralsei gets to be Mean and Violent.

not to get all "it's ok for girls to be feminine!" but like. it's fine if ralsei's a feminine trans girl. i think she, particularly, needs that. but what she also needs -- honestly, even more than femininity -- is the chance to be mean and rude. she deserves to mouth off to people. to give death threats, even, like she did with flowery. to be completely nice is to hold herself back.

let her be a girl. let her be Angry.

[susielesbianism]

@sophibeans screenshotting bc you hit the nail on the fuckin HEAD.