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An Open Letter to All Puppies With Parvo Virus (That Were Unvaccinated)

Dear Adorable Fluffs,

I’m sorry.

I’m sorry that you don’t understand what is happening to you.

I’m sorry we have to poke and prod you every little bit so we can make sure you stay alive and get the treatment you need.

I’m sorry that your intestines is literally and continuously sloughing unto the puppy pad diapers that you are surrounded by.

I’m sorry I can’t explain to you why we have to draw blood so often or why you are hooked up to so many tubes and fluid lines.

I’m sorry that you feel so crummy that you won’t eat. Puppies should be able to love to eat.

I’m sorry that instead of a bright, hyper puppy you are reduced to being a miserable and dull corpse-like ball of diarrhea.

I’m sorry that your entire body might begin to shut down and you might go into septic shock.

I’m sorry that even around the clock care might not be good enough.

I’m sorry that even the best medicine might not be good enough.

I’m sorry that even if you walk out of here alive and possibly eventually happy, you had to endure even a single second of this awful, cruel, debilitating disease.

I’m sorry that that this was most likely preventable (Yes, there are exceptions, but they are rare and almost always has a valid reason why the vaccine didn’t work- i.e. didn’t store the vaccine correctly, giving it only once without a booster, expecting it to miraculously work immediately right before or during a pravo infection etc.).

I’m sorry that your owner didn’t believe in vaccines or that “we just want to give them for money.” (Hint: iF we ACTUALLY were in this career for the money, then why in the absolute world would we give a $20 vaccine when we could refuse to vaccinate and make $1,000-$7,000 ++ on each critical parvo patient that walked in the door?)

I’m sorry that you could have been playing with your siblings and being snuggled as a puppy should but instead I’m trying not to sob I might have to put your tiny, emaciated body into a body bag.

I’m so sorry. You deserve so much better than this.

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I was reading a post recently saying that if your cat or dog drinks antifreeze than alcohol(not pure rubbing alcohol I assume) will stop the acidification of organs and save your pet. Is this true?

There is a tiny grain of truth in there, but it’s a whole lot more complicated than that.

The toxic component of antifreeze is ethylene glycol. It’s metabolites have multiple toxic effects and it’s metabolism. It’s metabolism through the liver is complicated.

All metabolites of antifreeze have toxic effects.

Ethylene glycol causes central nervous system depression, euphoria and increased serum osmolarity.

Glycoaldehyde and Glycoxylate can inhibit the Krebs cycle, that thing mitochondria do to generate cellular energy.

Glycolate causes renal failure and acidosis

Oxalate aculumation in the kidney can also cause permanent renal failure.

So with all this badness, where does ethanol (drinking alcohol) come in?

Ethanol is preferentially acted upon by alcohol dehydrogenase. This means that if you have both ethanol and ethylene glycol present, alcohol dehydrogenase will spend more time acting on the ethanol. This slows down the rate that ethylene glycol is turned into its other toxic metabolites.

Because a relatively small amount of ethylene glycol is getting metabolised at one time, the other enzymes in the chain can keep up with the pace, so the most toxic metabolites don’t accumulate in super high levels before being excreted as calcium oxalate.

However, this means two things:

If you give ethanol 18 hours after ingestion of antifreeze, you actually make everything worse

Treatment with ethanol requires you to induce alcohol poisoning for about two days.

A single shot of vodka isn’t going to cut it. We usually have these dogs on intravenous fluids to keep them hydrated whilst giving ethanol in hospital (we use vodka) because these animals are often nearly comatose.

We are inducing one type of poisoning to protect against another.

And for what I hope is obvious reasons, do not try this at home.

I'm going to be an RVN!

I've passed all assignments, exams & OSCES.

How did you get started in your career? What made you want to be a vet nurse? 🙂

Sorry it's been a while since I've been on here! I got started by getting work experience in a veterinary practice (already had the qualifications needed for uni) then I applied and all went from there ☺ I have always wanted to work with animals and getting the work experience taught me the difference between vets & vet nurses, I think it's very much a calling you're either one or the other.

I meant nothing negative by it, i also make the mistake of seeing cuteness and not considering the situation. There's nothing we can do about that, we are human after all. I just thought itd be good to point out. Your reply was so nice, thank you!

It's ok, I didn't take it negatively :) I appreciate you bringing it up.

Hey! I love your blog and your content a lot of good stuff. But i see you reblogged that gif set of a seal interacting with a dog. It's bad for those people to be interacting w/ wild animal and allow it to interact with a clearly stressed out dog

Thank you I'm glad you enjoy it, I know I'm not very active a lot of the time so it feels nice to be noticed! :) Well if I'm honest, when I reblogged that, all I saw was a seal acting damn cute. I didn't assess the picture in any more depth than that, I didn't look at the dog, nor did I consider the implications of human/seal interaction. I probably didn't spare the process more than two seconds it takes to re-blog. We're all human & sometimes all we see is a cute animal picture, even if it has underlying issues to it. Thanks for pointing it out thought :)

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When you remember something you forgot to chart...

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Also: “Wait, did I put those samples out for lab pickup??”

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Yes so much yes ☝🏻

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The Five Freedoms

I talk about animal welfare a lot; a lot of people talk about animal welfare. It’s a topic that’s hard to ignore, whether you’re a pet owner, a meat and dairy consumer, or you just really like “cute” videos on the internet.

But what is animal welfare? What’s our standard? One man’s bare minimum may be another man’s above-and-beyond. What’s the standard? 3 walks a day for your dog? Two? Do you tell your cat “I love you” at least once a day?

In 1965, the U.K. Government tasked Professor Roger Brambell to investigate just that: what is animal welfare? His investigation was specifically regarding livestock, and the initial response was that animals should have the freedom to “stand up, lie down, turn around, groom themselves, and stretch their limbs.” Source These freedoms became known as “Brambell’s Five Freedoms”.

The initial idea of these five freedoms later evolved to the five freedoms we know now, which are:

1) Freedom from hunger and thirst

2) Freedom from discomfort

3) Freedom from pain, injury, or disease

4) Freedom to express normal behavior

5) Freedom from fear and distress

These five freedoms provide the baseline standard for animal welfare. Whether it’s livestock, wild animals, or pets, animal welfarists believe any sentient being has the right to these five freedoms. As a side note, obviously, we have very little control over how well animals in the wild are fed or whether they have fears or are in distress, but we do have control over non-domesticated animals held in captivity, such as animals in sanctuaries and zoos, or non-domesticated animals being kept as pets, such as foxes and wolves/wolfdogs, servals, etc.

As with all baselines and blanket terminology, you have to use discernment in your interpretation. My dog has freedom to express normal behavior, but if her normal behavior involves her running headlong into traffic, then I’ve broken freedom number 3 while allowing freedom number 4. My dog has the right to be free from fear and distress, but if she’s afraid of the vet, I cannot give her freedom from disease without breaking freedom number 5.

None of these 5 freedoms will be upheld to 100% during the course of our pets’ lives. At some point or another, one will be in direct conflict with the other. That’s why these freedoms are a baseline, and that’s why you need to use discernment. There is a benefit/aversive ratio at play here that you need to be able to assess and act upon. At what point does freedom 4 infringe on the other freedoms? At what point is upholding freedom 5 more or less important than upholding freedom 3 or freedom 2?

The Five Freedoms are blanketed by one simple rule: you are responsible. You are responsible for correctly weighing the benefits and risks. You are responsible for recognizing when the animal is hungry and thirsty. You are responsible for helping an animal overcome discomfort and fear for their own benefit. You are responsible for creating a safe and controlled way for them to express their natural behavior, or else channel that behavior. You are responsible for taking precautions to protect them and/or others around them.

But what is most important, is that you are responsible for knowing what is normal to them. It is your responsibility to know what healthy and secure behavior looks like, compared to scared and sick.

Use the five freedoms to ask yourself:

1) What does it look like when this animal is hungry and thirsty? How much of each do they need and with what frequency? What sort of nutrition do they require, and in what form?

2) What does discomfort look like in this animal? How do they express it, and what triggers it? What shelter and level of comfort do they require to rest easy?

3) What diseases is this animal susceptible to, and how can I prevent it? What symptoms should I look for? What are common injuries and how can I avoid them?

4) What behaviors does this animal tend to exhibit? What kind of space do they need? Do they need to be surrounded by their own kind? What sort of enrichment is necessary to best satisfy their genetic, species-related needs?

5) What does this animal usually fear? How do they express fear, and how can I avoid triggering it? At what stage is it best to introduce new stimuli to build up an immunity to potentially fearsome sounds and objects? If the animal is afraid, how can I help them overcome it or else help them avoid the object of fear?

If you can answer these questions, then you are well on your way to providing adequate animal welfare for the animals in your care.

Additional references:

Broom, D.M., 2006: The evolution of morality. Applied Animal Behavioral Science, 100, 1–2, 20–28

Cooper, J.E., Cooper, M.E., 2007: Introduction to Veterinary and Comparative Forensic Medicine. Wiley-Blackwell, 415 pp.

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If you love Scottish fold cats, I’m going to tell you something you don’t want to hear. Please, please read on anyway. If you are considering adopting a Scottish fold, PLEASE continue reading. This information needs to be more widely known.

In 2008, the Journal of Small Animal practice released a short report on disorders associated with breeds of cats. In this report, the authors mentioned the Scottish fold:

People who own them may be “charmed” by their round faces and open expression (and they may not realise that the reason the cats do not move around too much is because they are variably crippled with arthritis).1

The gene that causes the cute fold in the Scottish fold’s ear also leads to the development of a degenerative disorder called osteochondrodysplasia. ALL Scottish folds have this disorder, whether they show symptoms or not- the fold in their ears is caused by a cartilage deformity that also affects their joints.

Osteochondrodysplasia leads to crippling osteoarthritis, which affects Scottish folds at much younger ages than other breeds of cats. In cats heterozygous for the gene, the disease’s progression can be seen in cats as young as six months. In homozygous cats, it can be seen as early as seven weeks old.

Affected cats may be grossly deformed, with short wide limbs and a short, inflexible tail. They show lameness, swollen wrist (carpal) and ankle (tarsal) joints, have an abnormal gait, and are reluctant to move and jump. Severely affected individuals become crippled and unable to walk.

…Many affected cats are euthanased earlier in life due to the profound effects of this disease.2

The breed is often described as “placid” and “calm.” This is due to the fact that they are constantly in pain due to this disorder. Even in mild, ‘asymptomatic’ cases which can occur in heterozygous cats, they may still be experiencing pain due to cats’ tendency to hide their suffering.

Many breeders of Scottish folds claim that not all heterozygous cats have the disorder, because the studies that examined the cats (which were all, heterozygous or not, shown to have it) had small sample sizes.

In 2003, Lorraine Shelton, a specialist in genetic diseases, offered to pay for 300 x-rays of healthy adult Scottish folds to prove that the disorder was not present in some heterozygous cats.

…She has asked a list of 300 Scottish Fold breeders from around the world to go to their vet to get X-rays done. She had offered to pay for these X-rays but not a single breeder had taken up that offer. You could not know whether this problem existed unless an X-ray was taken. If somebody would send her an X-ray of a healthy hind leg of a folded eared cat, she would be grateful as she wanted to see the very first one.3

To date, no one has taken her up on the offer. The breeders’ unwillingness to have their cats examined speaks volumes. The authors of all studies on these cats agree: it ethically wrong to continue breeding these cats.

It disturbs me that any breeder would knowingly continue to create animals that will be in pain throughout their lives. As a cat lover myself, I am begging you, please do not buy Scottish folds. Do not support these unethical breeding practices, or the concept that it is acceptable to intentionally breed unhealthy animals for the sake of how they look.

Citations

1 Breed-related disorders of cats (discusses issues with other breeds as well)

2 Genetic welfare problems of companion animals: osteochondrodysplasia (a thorough description of the disease and its prevalence)

3 FIFe meeting notes (leading to a decision not to recognize Scottish folds as an offical breed due to the disorder)

There was also a follow-up email about Shelton’s offer which can be read here.

Studies on osteochondrodysplasia in Scottish Folds

Osteochondrodysplasia in Scottish Fold cats

Incomplete dominant osteochondrodysplasia in heterozygous Scottish Fold cats (this is the source of the above x-ray pictures)

Before you buy ANY animal, please do your research. If a breed suffers from high incidences of genetic disorders, don’t use your money to support the creation of more animal suffering.

glitchedpuppet

This is important enough to be posted to my main blog. I know I reblogged this months and months ago, but not enough people know about this.

There is absolutely no way to “cure” the Scottish folds of this. The gene that causes the ear to look so cute and floppy is because of the cartilage not forming properly, which is what causes the health problems — even in cats that are bred Fold x Non Fold.

What’s fucking worse is that they’re cross breeding Scottish folds with other cats. As soon as I saw them crossed with Sphynxes (anyone who follows me is probably aware of the three Sphynxes we have and how much I love them), my heart sank. This is called a “Skinderlop”

Breeding is supposed to be about breeding healthy cats/animals free of defects, and about examining mutations to see what the health risks are, if there are any. It is not supposed to be about creating more cats who are doomed to horrible health problems from birth. That is so cruel it’s unbelievable - and people still defend this breed’s continued existence…

If you know anyone who is looking into getting a kitten from a breeder, PLEASE let them know about the health problems associated with Scottish folds and cross breeds so that they don’t continue to support this sort of thing. It is needlessly cruel.

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SIGNAL BOOST ONE THING PEOPLE NEED TO UNDERSTAND IS THAT THE DRAMATIC DEFORMITIES IN DOMESTIC ANIMALS THAT WE DEEM ‘CUTE’ OFTEN COME AT A COST TO THE ANIMALS this goes for scottish folds, munchkin cats, pugs, dachsunds, teacup pets and so forth.

misscherrylikesthediscourse

In Germany it’s actually forbidden to breed Scottish Folds, not because of Arthritis but because the ear fold alone is damage to their hearing, their ability to express themselves and can cause pain to them.

jenniferrpovey

The issue is this:

People see the Scottish Fold as essentially the same thing as, say, a Spaniel.

Floppy ears in certain dog breeds are a symptom of what we call “domestication syndrome.” When you breed many animals for tameness, then genetic traits associated with neural crest cell migration show up. Domestication syndrome is actually a “condition” in that some parts of the neural crest are deficient - the animals have smaller adrenal glands and thus are less fearful of humans. This is connected to floppy ears, patchwork coats and the facial structure not fully maturing.

Dogs are all born with flop ears, so floppy ears in floppy eared breeds are a juvenile trait carried into adulthood. The trait doesn’t appear to be associated with an increased risk of arthritis - out of the ten breeds that are more prone to arthritis, most have half folded or upright ears, and dachshunds are probably more the victim of their form of dwarfism than any cartilage problems.

So, canines can have floppy ears and not develop problems. Which means people think the same is true of felines.

Here’s the thing that shows the difference:

All dogs are born with floppy ears. They don’t actually stand up for a while, and even then they can be up, down, one up, one down. The flop eared breeds are breeds in which the juvenile trait of flopped ears carries into adulthood. Basically, their ears never grow up.

All cats are born with straight ears. They don’t prick straight away any more than dog ears do, but they kind of stick out to the side. In the Fold, the ears don’t start to fold until three months. This clearly shows you’re dealing with a defect, not neoteny (the technical term for keeping a juvenile trait into adulthood).

Flop ears as a result of domestication syndrome are also found in rabbits, goats, sheep and cattle.

There’s only one other major domesticated animal that has no flop-eared breed - the horse. Although lop ears in horses are associated with a kind temperament, they’re not bred for because ear communication in horses is so important that flop/lop eared horses tend to be beaten up by the rest of the herd, and it’s also hard for their handlers to read their mood, which when you’re dealing with an animal perfectly capable of killing you by accident… They don’t seem to be associated with arthritis, though. Just…they’re a pain to deal with so people don’t perpetuate the trait.

The tl;dr - people think Scottish Folds are okay because they’re just a lop eared breed, but they aren’t - and it’s apparently not possible to breed that trait into cats.

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anatomy & physiology

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Rat Empathy

Upworthy carried a story summarizing an experiment demonstrating that rats exhibit empathy. Why do I care about this? Because the graphics showing the experiment on Upworthy made me smile, and smiling is good. Here’s the link in case you want to watch the video embedded in the story.

Some scientists ran an experiment to demonstrate that. Here’s how it worked:

The scientists put a rat in water (which rats hate). Not enough to hurt the rat, but enough to annoy it.

Then they put another rat in a safer, dry area with a door it could open to save the first rat.

When the dry rat heard the damp, miserable rat get upset, she came to the rescue.

Still not satisfied with the result, the scientists ran a more complex test.

What if you bribe the dry rat with food? Will she ignore it to rescue the wet rat in the next chamber?

Scientists presumed it would be easier for the not-in-peril rat to take the obvious selfless route when it was given only one choice. But what if they gave her a delicious bribe (chocolate cereal) and then let her choose between saving her friend and a buffet?

The rats, by a significant margin, still usually saved their friend before getting their delicious bribe. What does that mean?

Rats might care more about each other than things like food, and that prioritization might be encoded in their DNA.

Why should we care about super-thoughtful rats?

It is often argued that humans are inherently selfish — that without guidance, we would all default to killing and stealing and an “every person for themselves” mentality. That we only help others if it helps us. That evolution can’t make us selfless; it’s something we have to force ourselves to do.

But if rats show human-like qualities (they laugh like us, they dream like us, they like to have selfless lovers) like altruism, that means it isn’t a human-learned behavior. It could be encoded in our DNA. It means humans could be empathetic and kind by default.

It also means that rats and humans have more in common than we think.

An adorable rat not spreading the plague and hugging a tiny teddy bear. Much empathy.

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TINY WONDERFUL BABBIES

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@anti-stupidity-pro-ratties

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Sweet babies! They do worry about each other quite a bit so it’s good to know the science has shown them to be empathetic

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‘Pit Bull Flower Power’ by French photographer Sophie Gamand.

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My heart!

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BREEDERS, HONESTLY.

8wk old female puppy comes in for a health check, naturally we ask if theyd considered neutering when she’s old enough.

The owners look a bit dubious and say, “Oh, well, we dont want puppies from her…but the breeder really put us off neutering…”

With gritted teeth and a forced smile (because who hasnt heard this before?) me and another nurse ask, “Oh? What did they say?”

Apparently, neutering bitches:

Is completely unnecessary

Is just pushed for by vets for no reason

Makes them get fat

Negatively affects their behaviour

Is stressful and therefore cruel

Right okay. These were the absolute nicest people and they did ask what our opinions on it was and whether it was worth neutering. The question we would have answered whether they asked or not :’)

We explained that:

Its not unnecessary

Its not “pushed”, its encouraged for health grounds in later life

Ok alright, pets can be prone to putting on a bit of weight post-neutering purely because all the energy that used to go towards making all those hormones etc, now isnt needed and so just…. hangs around. However, there are diets for this and as long as you’re aware, you can adjust meals accordingly!

We’ve literally never heard of it negatively affecting behaviour. If anything, it tends to calm patients down a bit (if done sooner rather than later) as it takes away all those hormones. Maybe they’re a bit quieter post-op but who wouldnt be after an anaesthetic?! Plus, this dog was a golden retriever. What negative effect could it possibly have, they’re lovely dogs and are always going to want to play and cuddles, lets be honest.

It might be a little stressful on the day but we try to avoid that at all costs!

It lessens if not near eradicates the risk of pyometra and this can be fatal to entire bitches

It lessens the risks of mammary tumours, which can metastasise into the liver and lungs if left untreated

Pregnancy is always going to be a risk, esp if they dont want puppies!

They were literally like “……..Oh.”. The breeder hadnt mentioned any of this and they had absolutely no idea. We finished by saying that obviously they’ve got a good while until they have to decide and that its completely up to them but maybe just look more into it for their own peace of mind. They were happy with that!

I just cant believe the breeder was like, “Yeah dont do it, its so unnecessary. Vets are so pushy.”

Ugh.

svnlife

This. It's so huge. People need to understand the importance of neutering for the health benefits of their furry friends. I tried explaining to my foreign family why they should neuter their male Shih-Tzu. The response? .... Oh you just push that on people in the UK for population control.

Ugh. Ok. Never mind. I tried...

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important psa about buns

maitaijulie

We raised rabbits when I was a child and my sister gave a rabbit a bath (she was 5) and it died..so heed this instruction.

amazingatheist

I wasn’t going to reblog this, but then I realized I might save a rabbit.

shelbytaylorexists

This is important guys. If your rabbit gets into something gnarly and you HAVE to bathe them: 1. Fill a bowl with warm water. 2. Get a washcloth. Put it in the water. Squeeze it out until it is just damn. 3. Lightly scrub the dirty area on your bun. 4. That is it. DO NOT get your bun wet. Only slightly damp on the part that was dirty. (source)

ghostlygossamer

VERY IMPORTANT! SAVE A BUNS LIFE!

mypasteluniverse

Do not bathe your bun!!!!

risaellen

Holy crow, I did not know this about bunnies. I hope sharing this will help folks. What the heck do these little fellas do when it rains????

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Generally hide in their warrens

qinni

Reblogging because I had a friend who thought her rabbit was over-heated during the summer and gave it a bath… :(

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PETA

you guys remember when PETA stole people pets off their porches and euthanized them?

you guys remember how it came out that PETA kills about 90% of the animals it takes in, including healthy and adoptable puppies and kittens, stating “ We could become a no-kill shelter immediately. It means we wouldn’t do as much work”?

you guys remember when PETA advocated killing all pit bulls for the crime of being pit bulls?

you guys remember when PETA handed out these comics to children when there were no adults looking?

you guys remember when they made a porn site and then filled it with videos of animal abuse, and (also in that link) claimed cats should be vegetarian?

you guys remember when PETA lied about sheep shearing, got caught, and defended the lie as true even after they admitted the sheep in their picture wasn’t even real?

you guys remember when they tried to excuse their horrifying ways by claiming that the person who exposed them was manipulating the facts by taking them and putting them in the wrong context?

Because I remember. I remember everything.

And I’m gonna make sure everyone else remembers too.

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Why would they kill pit bulls they’re sweeties

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Because PETA does not care about animals. they do not care that these dogs live and breathe and feel and want love like every other dog. they do not care about the history of human/dog bonding and co-evolution, they do not care that dogs and human beings have relied on each other for millennia, they do not care that its cruel and morally repugnant to put down an animal just because you can, they do not care about animals.

PETA cares about money and publicity, its a corporation run by a psychopath who is afraid of pitts as it states in the link: she was apparently bit by one, and now she hates them.

PETA doesn’t give a rats ass about animals. They just want to kill and make money off of idiots who fall of their spiel.

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Some celebs support them

i-n-m-h

ah c’mon, dear-tumb1r, I think you’re being a bit harsh. I mean, okay, PETA’s done some questionable things, but it’s not like they’ve also

-spread false information about milk causing autism based on outdated bullshit information

-used holocaust imagery to compare the meat industry to concentration camps (no pictures)

-used a young man’s brutal death as a way to say “yeah that’s awful but it happens to animals every day and nobody cares about that” (tw: no pictures but the way the guy died is described and it is really horrible)

-dressed up in KKK robes and protested outside of the Westminister Dog Show to protest breeding/pure bred dogs (tw: racism)

-offered to pay the water bill for literally the poorest neighborhood in Detroit if and only if they all went vegan for a month (tw: self-righteous shitheads)

-and they definitely didn’t have two of their workers accept perfectly healthy animals from an animal hospital, with the implication that they would give them good homes, clarify that these animals were all healthy and well-tempered, and then euthanized them all in the back of a kill-van before dumping their dead bodies behind a grocery store (tw: PICTURES OF DEAD ANIMALS, animal death)

-and they totally didn’t get off pretty much scot-free for it because PETA has loads of money and lawyers to defend themselves, which coincidentally might be why the Cerate family hasn’t seen justice for their kidnapped and murdered dog, Maya. (tw: animal death)

Nah. PETA’s not that bad.

(/the heaviest of all my fucking sarcasm, I am salty as a fucking winter road, lord do I fucking hate PETA)

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Did you think i was fucking joking, PETA?

I will make sure everyone fucking remembers what you’ve done.

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Bringing it back, because it’s charity season and people need to know NOT to give charity to these fuckers.

svnlife

Always bringing this around.