I was looking thru the recs of Spideytorch moments that you have and one stood out to me
> Fantastic Four v5 #12, #14, #642 (there’s a renumbering jump in here, these are all pretty close together): Johnny loses his powers and Peter (along with Johnny’s other best friend Wyatt) are worried and protective over him. Includes Peter carting Johnny around like a personal taxi.
I def feel like there is a lot of fun hcs and ideas for this era to be tossed around fanfic wise when Johnny is so powerless. I was particularly wondering about details if there are any specifics of Peter being protective of Johnny during this? Andddddd if not do you have any hcs or ideal fanfic ideas for this era by any chance 👀👀 ? (and if not then dw!! LOL) I just know that if Spideytorch were together during this Peter’s protectiveness would go from 0 to 100 soooo fast (not that it was ever at 0 bc it’s Peter). What do you think Traincat? <3
Oh, this is such a good era for Johnny h/c in general.
So volume 5, or Fantastic Four (2014), or just Robinson's run, was the last Fantastic Four run before Secret Wars (2015) happened and the Fantastic Four comic was taken off the shelves for three years. It's one largely self-contained story about one villain's quest to destroy the Fantastic Four both publicly and privately. This starts with Johnny when a targeted attack causes him to lose his powers as a lingering side effect of his resurrections in the Negative Zone.
He and Peter do briefly talk about the power loss. Peter isn't very present in this run up until the end, but it's understandable that he has his own stuff going on. Johnny losing his powers coincides with when Peter just got his body back after Doc Ock hijacked it during Superior Spider-Man.
(Amazing Spider-Man (2014) #2) Look at his little face.
This isn't really what causes Johnny's spiral, though. No, it's when Ben learns that, years ago, Reed and Johnny covered up a failed attempt to restore him from his rocky nature and tells Johnny he never wants to speak to him again that things get really bad.
Shortly after this, Ben is arrested for the suspect murder of Philip Masters, Alicia's stepfather. Combined with Reed and Sue's absence, Johnny's essentially isolated. That never goes very well for him.
It's Wyatt who initially pursues Johnny as he disappears into the party boy image everyone always assumes of him, and Peter only teams up with him later to save Johnny from himself. (This arc is also really great for Wyatt/Johnny.)
(FF v5 #12) I think a lot about the hold Peter has on Johnny here at the rooftop.
(ASM #642) And I've talked a little bit about this before. I think these are probably meant to be action lines, when Johnny rips himself out of Peter's grip to save Valeria, but I also think if you wanted to interpret it as Peter's spider-sense going off for Johnny, you could.
I'm always interested in alternative takes on canon where Spideytorch are in an established relationship. This is a really interesting period for it, because I have to believe that Johnny can't self-destruct in the same way. Not that he can't self-destruct entirely, but that it's not going to happen the same way. I don't think he's going to disappear into the image everyone has of him as the shallow party boy if he has someone who knows him. I know I've been calling him the communal husband, but the thing about Peter is that he is really good at being a partner. He is very supportive and loving. But he also is so protective and I think his instinct after Ben and Johnny fight would be to go after Ben. That's not going to help anything. The big cats can't share a cage.
(I actually think I have some WIP snippets about this scenario somewhere that I'm not sure I ever posted anywhere. I'll try to dig them up after this.)
The other thing here is that the villain of this particular run wants to destroy the Fantastic Four completely, and I think Parker Industries is a particularly weak area that could be exploited here. It would be easy for the Quiet Man to throw chaos into that equation and distract Peter, who is barely keeping his head above water anyway, that way, distancing him from Johnny. So that's a really interesting area to explore. I also think you could play with Johnny's own romantic history here. If he's in a stable relationship (he was unattached in Robinson's run) then that's something the Quiet Man could try to destroy by manipulating the media, which is a quintessentially Reed move, and the Quiet Man has a thing against Reed in particular so I could see that being a motivation to go in that direction. Bring up Johnny's marriage, his divorce, drag him through the mud when Ben's on trial for the murder of Johnny's supposed ex-wife's stepfather. (Remember that literally everyone outside of the Fantastic Four's inner circle still thinks Johnny and Alicia used to be married.) That's a lot for Peter to get protective over. Peter versus the paparazzi is always really fun. He is going to fight a reporter outside the courthouse.
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