I just spent the last hour reading spoilers of s4 and honestly I'm disappointed but not suprised. How did we get here?! S1 and S2 were perfect. Not sure that s4 is worth watching tbh.
I’ve been thinking on this for a while. Especially since I had been seeing the hope on my feed that there’s a part two. I just can’t help but ask if it would fix anything? That means the pacing would shift but how could they make sense of it all?
I didn’t hate season three but I have been letting it digest and now I’m very confused at how they’d be able to pull it off. That would mean eight (maybe more depending on how this goes) more episodes for season three, making it a really long season.
I had hope for a season five. Though, if season three part two is officially happening, I don’t see them doing that at all. Season four could be its last but what’s the contents of season four that would make it satisfying for the audience to end it on? I can’t lie, I’m very confused on how this would go. Especially since it’s been said that the scripts weren’t finished?! How are they making scenes for an unfinished script?! Was that season three part two or season four?
The way the team has handled this has been a huge mess all around. The promotion definitely didn’t make sense this year (due to the fact that the actors probably don’t know what’s going to be rolled out). I just hope they do better in the future, even if season four is its last.
Maybe the magic trick was season three part two all along LMFAOOO.
This would be awesome to have part 2 sooner than later!
Carmy's phone did say Aug.7 when he checked his phone about the review and texts. It would be cool to get the 2nd part Aug 7 this year. But who am I kidding. Wishful thinking lol
Y’all, Ebon revealed that 18 episodes were filmed this year and we only got 10 episodes, so will they release the other 8 episodes earlier as part 2 or wait until next year and add them to s4? I’m really hoping that they will release them sooner than later.
wait this is actually wild because according to liza (tina) they’re going back to filming in the winter and i saw a post somewhere (reddit maybe) saying that they’re still working on the scripts
i wonder if they’ll scrap anything they’ve filmed based on the reviews (once again, praying for the end of claire)
Y’all, Ebon revealed that 18 episodes were filmed this year and we only got 10 episodes, so will they release the other 8 episodes earlier as part 2 or wait until next year and add them to s4? I’m really hoping that they will release them sooner than later.
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Almost can't believe there was no Sydney focused episode in S3. No one even talks about Sundae, Sheridan or even Brigade.
Though tbf, Sheridan was the only one that was more about her rather than her doing stuff alone after being abandoned in some shape or form. 🤔 *shrugs*
After watching s2, I was sure that Sydney will have an episode in s3 where we learn more about her so I was super disappointed that 1. We didn’t get the focused episode. 2. We hardly saw Sydney.
At this point, I need to see Claire POV when it comes to her and Carmy’s relationship because Carmy makes it seem that everything was perfect. It’s just doesn’t make sense to me how she went from being giddy and telling him that she loves him to her walking out as soon as he said their relationship was a waste of time. Something is not clicking. The math ain’t mathing. Also she’s a doctor so wouldn’t she want to make sure Carmy is okay instead of running out on him? I strongly believe Claire saw a few red flags but ignored them, but when she heard him say those things, it was the last straw. Claire, what are the red flags you ignored? We the people want to know. We need to know.
not to mention how she reacted to Neil telling her that Carmy loves her??? I mean putting aside the fact that she’s at work.
the vibe I got was that she was exasperated with the whole thing. I don’t think she wants to get back together. maybe she deserves closure but it feels like she’s reflecting and trying to get over him
I wish Neil would just mind his business because he’s been trying to make fetch happen and it’s not happening.
I couldn’t watch that scene, I had to skip it but maybe I need to watch it so I can see Claire’ s reaction. From what I’ve seen so far, I think Claire is slowly and surely starting to loose interest as well but time will tell if she’s ready to move on.
Idk if I'm late on this but I only just noticed it. Pls listen to Carmy at the end, after he introduces Syd to Luca. I removed the bg noise and enhanced the audio
He introduces them saying "Luca, Syd"
Then he's quickly trying to get Syd to move onto saying hello to someone else. He points to this other person immediately and says "Will." But Syd's still saying a very warm hello to Luca so Carmy calls her name to get her attention!!! It hasn't even been 3 seconds 😂 This is the guy who trained Syd's good friend and colleague and worked with Carmy!! Why can't they say hello properly, Carmy?!!
He was trying to break that up real quick!! That greeting was too warm and went on too long for his liking! 3 seconds being too long for Carmy!!
I think @pudgetprincess was right in the replies of this post, Carmy was already aware that Luca could be a threat before Syd even got there. Carmy looked Luca's way just as he put his hand on Syd's back. He kept it there the whole time he introduced Syd to the table, telling her to "say hi", then looked Luca's way again before he removed his hand, making sure Luca had seen it. Then he introduces Syd to Luca and suddenly it's not "say hi" anymore it's ok Syd let's move it along there's other ppl here you know lmao. Carmy is actually hilarious! If we get jealous Carmy next season it's gonna be SO good.
At this point, I need to see Claire POV when it comes to her and Carmy’s relationship because Carmy makes it seem that everything was perfect. It’s just doesn’t make sense to me how she went from being giddy and telling him that she loves him to her walking out as soon as he said their relationship was a waste of time. Something is not clicking. The math ain’t mathing. Also she’s a doctor so wouldn’t she want to make sure Carmy is okay instead of running out on him? I strongly believe Claire saw a few red flags but ignored them, but when she heard him say those things, it was the last straw. Claire, what are the red flags you ignored? We the people want to know. We need to know.
2. She was clearly friend zoned in front of his colleagues.
3. She clearly watch him pined over Syd
4. She had HAD to pick up some tension between Carmy and Syd
She ignored it cuz she always wanted to be with him .
Also, fuck her for spreading false information about why they broke up . He was talking about himself and he was HAVING an MENTAL BREAKDOWN!!! Also, Claire he at least try being with you. I mean come on she is in medical school 🙄🙄🙄🙄
Wait, that’s what she said about what happened when Carmy was stuck in the walk-in? Honestly I skipped all the Claire scenes and the majority of the Faks scenes so I may have missed a few things in s3.
At this point, I need to see Claire POV when it comes to her and Carmy’s relationship because Carmy makes it seem that everything was perfect. It’s just doesn’t make sense to me how she went from being giddy and telling him that she loves him to her walking out as soon as he said their relationship was a waste of time. Something is not clicking. The math ain’t mathing. Also she’s a doctor so wouldn’t she want to make sure Carmy is okay instead of running out on him? I strongly believe Claire saw a few red flags but ignored them, but when she heard him say those things, it was the last straw. Claire, what are the red flags you ignored? We the people want to know. We need to know.
As annoying and repetitive some of the scenes in s3 were when I first watched it, the wonderful meta on here is making me realize how everything adds up. I’m starting to think that I need to rewatch s3 so I can truly understand it. I’m still annoyed at the lack of Sydney scenes though but maybe that was part of the plan?!?
GUYS, I CAN'T ACTUALLY BELIEVE I'M SAYING THIS, BUT WHAT IF THEY ACTUALLY HAD A GOOD REASON FOR JOHN CENA BEING CAST AS SAMMY FAK?
please bear with me (pun intended) and let me know what you think of my speculation under the cut~
In a mid-boggling case of a seemingly big-lipped alligator moment in season 3 - John Cena appears in a bizarrely over the top (even by the tonal comedic standards set previously by The Bear e.g. Ecto Cooler punch at a kid's birthday party getting spiked with Xanax in Season One) and jarring scene that stretches on and on as he obnoxiously squabbles, blathers and exchanges nonsensical rapid-fire quips with his brothers Neil and Ted Fak as they buff polish The Bear's dining area before a food photographer from The Chicago Tribune arrives to take a photo for a review of The Bear.
In this scene, he also intimidates and threatens to 'haunt' (in a Fak family tradition ( that even the Faks find annoying) - that involves pranking and being an unrestrained nuisance to their loved ones especially when they least expect it) his brother Ted for, "stealing his SD cards"......
This scene and the increased screen presence of the seemingly plot-irrelevant Faks this season is currently being eviscerated by plenty of fans and critics alike.
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But what if there's a (debatable, but) really good reason for this scene and the increased involvement in Seasons 2 and 3 of the massive numbered siblings family of Carmy's pseudo cousins, the Faks?
See Exhibit A:
In season 2, episode 3, Sundae - after Carmy has already asked Sydney out to Kasama, a husband and wife owned restaurant run by Tim Flores, and Genie Kwon*, ostensibly just to brainstorm and gain inspiration for planning for the new menu, and after Sydney has already gone home and freshened up and changed her clothes, then arrived to Kasama early, despite the meeting only being scheduled for an hour after she last spoke to Carmy at his apartment, Claire calls and interrupts the whole hypothetical shebang with Syd and Carmy at Kasama (the Tagalog WORD FOR TOGETHER) with the words,
"Did you mean to give me a fake number? You do know that I know your entire family [translation: she must know Donna too and Claire assumes that Carmy's folks approve of her - and she's proven to be technically right throughout Seasons 2 and 3 ], right? And I know ALL the Faks! [translation: tee hee! they're bigger than you - to quote Neil and Ted with their Uncle, "We Faks do have a particular shape, don't we?😇" - and they outnumber you, you scrawny punk, slay!😉✨]"
Claire then proceeds to playfully threaten to have said "massive numbered siblings" Faks, which includes Sammy Fak, played by John Cena (a professional wrestler, from an industry that is mixes both bawdy over the top theatre, a performance art that values Kayfabe (legerdemain/slight of hand anyone?) and comedy, and an athletic discipline) that is TALL. BUILT. HENCH. AND BUFF AF.....Claire 'playfully' threatens to have THESE FAKS, beat up Carmy, who is short in stature and cannot fight well from all the previous physical confrontations we've seen him be involved in, despite supposedly being a former high-school wrestler, and who has already been seriously physically abused thrice in the series run thus far (not counting him play fighting or trying to fight with Richie) after being JUMPED by a GROUP of assailants, not once, but TWICE in season one, by the Ballbreaker nerds in the pilot, and the Bachelor Party attendees in the season finale (the first season started and ended with Carmy being beaten tf up, Holy Shit! 🤯); AND AFTER BEING SLAPPED IN THE FACE IN SEASON 2 BY HIS OWN MOTHER, DONNA.
Notice the way Carmy goes from being lost in his thoughts but being completely relaxed after his menu planning session with Sydney, and in anticipation of seeing her on their would be inspiration seeking meet-up (definitely not a date, no Sir! 👀) at Kasama, to being tense and jittery and apprehensive when Claire calls him (after going behind his back and getting his number from Fak).
Notice the way Carmy's voice shakes when he asks Claire if she really knows all of the Faks.....
Notice Carmy's defeated and annoyed reaction after he hangs up the phone.
No wonder Carmy is being so avoidant and conflict averse in his handling of Claire in both Season Two and Three, he has absolutely no faith in himself or his loved ones at present to defend himself should he assert the type of boundaries he may have been desiring to have with them for these past two seasons, after all - who can he count on to fully have his back even to the point of physically intervening for him if he gets into a scrape or is genuinely attacked, by the Faks on account of Claire taking offense at or misrepresenting his words and actions to them, e.g. Claire apparently twisting Carmy's self loathing stream of consciousness confession (that she eavesdropped on) and telling Tiff that they broke up because Carmy said that "Claire will ruin everything good for him?" while he was trapped in the fridge?
What if Carmy knows he has to rip the band-aid and call Claire and apologize for his part in the superficiality and disintegration of their dalliance, but is afraid to do so because he knows in so doing, if he is being fully honest with himself and with Claire, he never truly wanted to be with her in the first place?
And who knows how Claire will take that revelation - it probably won't be pretty will it?
And.....
to quote Neil Fak,
"Claire's the best."
"We love Claire."
"I did that." [setting Carmy and Claire up in Pop)
And.....
Claire. knows. all. the. Faks.....
TL;DR
They cast John Cena as Sammy Fak, and the Faks had a lot of screen-time this season because they are the physical manifestation of being haunted in their family's sense of the word:
and a satirical visualization of Carmy's desire for Syd being cock-blocked ; plus Claire is a Love-able Alpha Bitch, and Carmy is ambivalent towards her, and even a little scared to face her, because her henchmen are the Faks!
If you enjoyed this post, then thank you for reading and I'd recommend that you check out the following meta on the way Christopher Storer and Company have seemingly (and controversially) committed to sticking to the bit of lying to the audience and breaking the fourth wall throughout this entire season:
Richie and the viewer - by @whenmemorydies with my add-on in the reblogs about Richie, not Carmy, potentially being Christopher Storer's author avatar in this series (from a post originally written before season 3 premiered.
Fourth Wall being broken - by @brokenwinebox and @thoughtfulchaos773
Claire being a possible representation of addiction, being a habit that is hard to kick - by @thoughtfulchaos773 and my and @devisrina 's add-on speculating that Claire may also be meant to be interpreted or revealed as a bit of a mean girl, to reference TVTropes, she may be a deconstruction/ mashup of the Girl Next Door, the Cute Bookworm, Nerds Are Sexy, MPDG, Yandere, Alpha Bitch, Loveable Apha Bitch, Childhood Friend Romance, High-School Sweethearts, Sickeningly Sweethearts, Even Nerds Have Standards, Beauty Equals Goodness, Face-Heel Turn tropes etc.....and a subtler mirror version of Donna Berzatto.
and another reblog add-on of mine to the thread linked above - on The Faks as the living embodiment of all that is fake in Carmy's life, C Storer's handy dandy tools for slight of hand,
you can't spell fake without FAK.
4. The parallels between The Bear and Burnt by @ambeauty - a post Season 2 post which was proven to be prescient and insightful given the Easter Egg inclusion of Bradley Cooper's character from Burnt on the photo wall of chefs at Ever in the Funeral dinner in the finale.
5. The parallels between The Bear and Boiling Point - a gritty film and mini-series set in a restaurant which features several plot elements and characters reminiscent of certain character archetypes and subplots present in The Bear - seriously think of this IP as The Bear's cynical, dramatic, older British cousin.
Decision to leave by @anderwater
This anon that recommended Boiling Point to me and wrote about its connections to The Bear.
The difference between The Bear and Boiling Point by @theblvckvenus
The similarities between The Bear and Boiling Point in this reblog add-on to @happylikeasong et. al's thread.
6. Claire/Carmy and the Walk In - my old post on the parallels between Strange Days (1995), Can't Hardly Wait (1998, and The Bear.
and @ambeauty 's meta on Claire as a representation of the fridge
7. My post on the possible connection between The Bear Season 3 and Andrei Tarkovsky's experimental, semi-autobiographical, psychological Oedipal drama film The Mirror (1975) - a film which was incredibly divisive upon its initial release, but has since gained wide acclaim and re-evaluation as a masterpiece, and that has had a legacy of subsequently inspiring multiple renowned filmmakers.
8. The Bear series' lead actress, and the director of Napkins, one of the only episodes of The Bear Season 3 to receive almost universal acclaim - Ayo Edebiri's trollish sense of humour and assertion that lying is the pinnacle of comedy.
9. And last but certainly not least with the inclusion of a Genie Kwon*, of Kasama fame, cameo in the season finale and the prominence of Kasama being key to Syd and Carmy's stymied relationship progression, courtesy Claire, see
He DITCHED her after he invited her to this event with literal strangers that she was initally intimidated by (except for Richie but he stayed in the kitchen). She was lucky that she was able to gel well with their table of established chefs because he was not helping her commingle AT ALL, pretty much left her to fend for herself as he zoned out. Thank god Sydney is personable and Luca was there to assist because the only time we see Carmy speak to her aside from introducing her to the table is when he’s filling her and Luca in on the maniac boss before leaving the table and never coming back. Insane to think their last shared words this season were her calling his name, essentially begging him not to chase after his boss and also not to leave her there alone and yet he completely ignored her just like he had done this whole season after telling her he wouldn’t do that to her again after the walk-in incident.
He abandoned her.
From the viewers standpoint, he didn’t even say anything to her to let her know he left after speaking with both of his old bosses. I’m sure Chef Terry had to tell her that Carmy had left and he didn’t come to her after party for what we know. Hopefully it was intended that his walking was him walking to her place and maybe it picks up with him walking up to her panicking outside her apartment. It’s kinda far fetched but would be a good continuation if the writers have any sense.
Like you’re not going to ask her if she enjoyed herself? Not going to check if she was okay getting home? If not for any of those reasons than to just tell her about the review at least!
Carmy has a LOT of apologizing to do and that’s just the tip of the iceberg.
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