#911 crit

[meatdiaz]

all jokes aside i really wish that an eddiesode was about like. eddie. instead of just focusing on always torturing him more and never letting him move forward? does anyone else feel like they’re never letting him move forward

oh and yeah i do think that buck should be a part of eddie’s journey. moving forward

[muddiedfoxglove]

Worst S9 Plots

Athena goes to space…..for 4 episodes

Hen’s degenerative disease cured in 3 episodes

The entire Dia de los Muertos episode (EddieReligion, KillingAbuela, GuyInAttic)

#LetBuckFuck

Donor Baby Theo’s Return and its implications

Everything is somehow about dead Bobby

Buck’s Pills (1.5 episodes)

Russian mob human trafficking real estate scam (4 episodes)

MayRavi canon

The BuckFlip

Maddie telling the AI Bot to kill itself

Athena getting kirked

Voting ended onMay 15

[firefightersgobrrr]

I think I figured out what’s pissing me off and it’s that when Buck had a medical condition that made him not fit for work and acted crazy because of it the narrative treated him like he was ridiculous and a child, but when hen does it everybody better apologize for being bad friends

[weird-goodbyes]

I know I'm usually more of a "teehee" criticizer (meaning I make jokes out of what I don't like because frankly, I am not coherent or smart enough to make substantial, meaningful critiques) but there's one part of the current arc that really bothers me and I haven't seen anyone talk about, so I want to. Not sure if it'll be unpopular, but I'm putting a read more in case anyone doesn't want to see criticism.

So. I mean. This definitely comes from a personal place. I am the main (not legally) guardian to my nephew who has adhd, ODD, and a likely autism diagnosis (holding off on official diagnosis for now because of the current climate in America). I took over as a main parental figure when my sister came to me and said she couldn't handle it anymore. All of this to say, I really did not like the treatment of Kameron and Connor in the episode. Mostly, because I feel like they purposefully made them be dicks so the audience wouldn't mind if they were killed off. But 1.) I don't think there is anything wrong with wanting a roadmap or being overwhelmed. I was in the trenches of trying to get a diagnosis and figure out what was going on while being overwhelmed by a kid. I took a summer off of work to desperately try and figure out what was going on, and most nights after he went to sleep, I'd cry and cry and cry. I don't think that's inherently evil or wrong to feel overwhelmed. Perhaps you disagree, but I think it's okay to admit that Theo is a lot to handle, or that they struggle with it. But then to take it a step further and make them sort of comic book villains who blame Buck and insist it comes from him. Like again as someone who went through something sort of related, I never once went to my nephew's mother or father and said "well, this is on YOU!!!!" I don't think most people would. And even if it did happen, the immediate death just felt like "lol they had a bad day and said some crazy problematic things, so they had to die but we're cool with it because they HATED their kid and Buck would be MUCH better for him" like to create a situation where it's like "the audience should CHEER for their deaths because they didn't actually deserve him" just felt...not great 2.) I really don't like the implication that because Buck has dealt with similar behaviors in himself in the past that inherently makes him more qualified. I do understand that it might be easier to see the point of view of a kid grappling with the way his mind works, but at the end of the day it just matters what you try and do to help the kid navigate the world. And that's true of any kid. You don't need to 100% see and understand and have personally gone through the child's perspective to be a good parent. I don't know, it just picks at an insecurity of mine (and probably anyone else raising a kid with behavioral issues) where it's like "am I the best person to be doing this? I've never personally been through this; would he be better off with someone who has?" Basically, I think there was a much better way where they could've been like "Kameron and Connor are overwhelmed but they love their child and they think a relationship with Buck might help Theo better understand himself and because they're his parents, they are willing to do anything to support Theo"

And also, to be clear, I’ve never ever thought that my sister or her ex should die in a loose boat highway crash because they admitted they needed me to step in. So like….

[shnehollander]

man all of us who dgaf about probie harry and want more may are rly gonna be in for a long ride with 911 huh.

[gloomydiaz]

I can’t remember who said this it was so long ago so if it was you please remind me!! There was a post saying something like: the 911 writers have written themselves into such a corner with buck and eddie that if they’re not doing buddie they have to either a) have any new love interest acknowledge how insane they are about each other or b) do straight up character assassination to retcon how insane they are about each other. and I just think it’s really funny that we’ve basically had both.

[tanktopdiaz]

sorry for the long ask but i just gotta rant about this and ive seen you basically have the same takes i do on this frankly. fucking crazy storyline so. like i really did think id be able to be disappointed over the direction the shows decided to go and how they decided to go about it and then make peace with it and move on but unfortunately this whole storyline has turned my stomach and the reactions from so many in the fandom have just made me uncomfortable enough that i do think im probably gonna have to cut ties and move on :/ im not trying to shame anyone over being excited at the prospect of buck gaining a child to raise btw but i will admit ive seen so many takes that have just rubbed me the wrong way such as diminishing bucks relationship with chris by saying buck finally has a “kid of his own” and he’s “finally a real dad” when this fandom has spent years saying he’s basically chris’ other father or how people are immediately erasing connor and kameron as theo’s parents and already referring to him as “mini buck” and “theo buckley” hell im even seeing people happy they “finally gave buck his baby back” (one of the main reasons i’ve always dreaded this storyline being relevant again is how weird everyone is over it) and i will say it’s very funny how when this storyline was first airing people were wary of buck being involved in the kids life when he’s just a donor while now i guess people don’t care anymore lol. i hate they completely erased the original message of the donor storyline as it being one of the first truly mature and selfless decisions buck has ever made not to mention the constant reiteration of “donor not dad” like fucking nvm i guess. ultimately i do know it’s just a show but it’s just all leaving such a bad taste in my mouth. i also kinda hate the “it’s just a show” argument cause it’s very hypocritical like.. so we need to be respectful of bucks addiction and the ICE storyline but this storyline shouldn’t be taken seriously?? you can’t have it both ways and just pick and choose which storylines hold real world weight and which are just for drama based on which provide you with what you want in the show lol. i do think a lot of people are being purposefully obtuse as to why people are finding this storyline offensive and distasteful because they just want to see buck with a toddler and that’s fine but i wish they’d own it.

between the heavy handed biological determinism, the racist and misogynistic undertones of having henren struggle for seasons to adopt/foster but having a child (his bio one at that) fall into bucks lap in the span of an episode (after spending the entire episode trying to get the audience to hate connor and kameron so they’ll be happy when theo goes to buck because clearly buck is the only one to understand theo. this being from the same show who just a couple episodes ago said “dna’s not destiny” btw), and even how the official 911 accounts are only posting about buck and the kid and nothing about the immigrants storyline.. i do think it’s kinda the nail in the coffin for me :/ 911 has done plenty of bad storylines but maybe it’s the potential.. permanency? of this storyline that im struggling with. anyway sorry for the rant but im truly baffled by some of the conservative takes ive seen on this storyline in a fandom for such a diverse and (it tries at least) progressive show BUT im letting myself be delusional while i still can and hoping chris is actually the child buck acquisitions because eddie is stuck in the hospital recovering from his knife/shot wound. like if they’re absolutely set on giving theo to buck i’d much rather they revisit the storyline in season 10 when they have time to flesh it out more cause gotta be honest i don’t see the logic in cramming it into the last two episodes when you know there’s gonna be an inevitable timejump between seasons so we won’t even see buck adapting to taking care of a kid. like genuinely what is the point lol

this is long, I love anons but I don't get a lot so I miss things.

1, I think the permanency is one of the hardest parts of this for me. This and some of season 8 was a lot of one episode plots that's just go away once the episode is complete, so I also felt that way like ok somethings gonna happen! and then something else is going to happen and that's that but this is a kid. this is a child who is going to likely be in bucks life forever. and we just have to keep chugging!!!!! that's crazy!!!!!

fandom is fandom and is going to fandom, but I do actively read through the more accepting takes and theories to try to see where my view on this can wiggle worm around and there are a few that certainly do not make my belly feel any better about this. and that's okay! like feel that way if that's what you want I guess but to me, there's a line between what your fiction can portray and what your fiction can invoke, and I think 911 relies too much on knowing that you will have /a/ response no matter what so they can adjust as necessary to show they're portraying. this very well could end with theo going to a family member from HIS family, but that's something we won't know until (well. the leaks are there....) they see what emotional response they've invoked and decide then to settle on portraying. it's going to be complicated and messy no matter what. and on that note THE MINI BUCK COMMENTS ARE PISSING ME OFF. the worst part is that he IS a mini buck and cute as a button but it's just 😭😭 like his parents are dead on a bridge behind him in that scene can we not 😭😭 and them being dead after 3 minutes of screentime is just cheap 🤷 soz and I hadn't even seen the theo buckley comments ..... some people would benefit from seeking help. quickly!

and I love you mentioned the dread because well yes. 100%. we all knew that kid was coming back we aren't dumb!! and we know to Tim the anticipation is half the fun, but he gave us mere moments to rediscover that dread before it became entirely too overwhelming and overshadowed (for me) any chance at me anticipating what's coming. hell I even said to myself they're gonna get gravely injured one day but I didn't expect it to happen in ONE DAY!

I think you know how I feel about the donor arc and it being obliterated at this point. On the found family show where bucks own father said bobby was bucks dad. mere episodes ago, in the same "DNA isn't destiny" conversation. If I keep talking on it my teeth will fall out I swear. Just know we r holding hands on it #menmyanon

I have a complicated thought re:henren I feel I can speak with you about. it would be a complete disservice to their characters if there wasn't tension because of the reasons you listed, but I know they're not going there because of how they handled it so blaíse blaíse with Chim and mara. or maybe they can reinvigorate it there! hen and Karen were put through hell time and time again with fostering, the failed ivf/fertility sl, and adopting, plus the interpersonal issues there with Denny and his two living parents. If buck, who mind you just has dealt with everything that season 9 has done to him, QUICKLY gets permanent custody it's a slap to their faces! Sorry! If I were hen I'd be pissed off! Just as she should have had a jealous arc with Chim over mara her AND Karen should hold some kind of visible grudge against buck, even if for a 2 or 3 episode arc. hell hen wasn't personally on board with the donation either and now that kid is in her life! but that's not going to happen, because everyone is family and they support and love each other unconditionally. apparently

and yes so hard....I do think some people are choosing not to dwell of everything you and I are and hey that's okay that's on them! I think it's weird to feel that way but that's how you enjoy tv that's that yk. But just as I said about keeping my opinions out of their spaces it's a two way. Ive made my posts and I've said my peace and if you're spamming think pieces on how the show isn't serious it's entertainment it's TV it's just a shows calm down this is xyz yeah actually I don't have any more nuance in this aspect just fuck yourself and get blocked idc honestly at this point, like I know a lot of people aren't chronically online bout their shows, but so much has been said it's about the reaction at this point and if you're still harping on policing other people be cause 'its just my show' it's over for you

The social media....don't talk to me. Likeits so obvious through the show that they want to rub our heads and shhhh us as they take us from point a showing the kid and point b getting the kid in bucks hands already but all the posts just prove it! They was us to focus on the cute kid and the dadbuck of it all to smooth over the finer details of how it happens. They made them cartoon villains so we wouldn't care about it! Then posted videos of the kid with bucks helmet on! What are you trying to tell the audience!!

and to your last point, if this was introduced THEN the emergency happened, I'd be more accepting. At the very least that would make the writers take a fucking stand I can respect them taking by introducing it at the beginning of a season and giving themselves and us time to work the story and flex the writing an really give the character something instead of introducing the idea making it happen then fucking off to your hobbit hole for 3 months while you agonize over how you're going to make this work. honestly cowards the lot of them

I do have hope, and I do plan to stick around and see it through despite the way this is still making me feel. Like. Idc. There's leaks, and knowing them isnt helping me keep hold of that hope. It's going to happen, it has happened, all we can do is move forward and I just. Ugh the opening of seasons always suck when they try to cram in catching us up and now in season 10 we have to also account for the time skip where buck comes back magically more mature and settled and the kid isn't a terror anymore because of buddies magic kid powers. But then when I think like that I'm borrowing worry, when I know what I want for myself is to hear it all out and watch what happens. I'm not someone who regularly puts up with being put out, so this has been a real delimma for me. I really do hope we don't lose you but trust I completely understand if we do!

[bookinit02]

someone pointed out in insta comments that we were also robbed of madney pregnancy/working through the ptsd of everything from the first time. and i COULD NOT AGREE MORE