#agab language

[ifvwasix]

I made a thing because I keep seeing people refer to other people they don’t know this way

[this-is-varsexism-transphobia]

"AFAB/AMAB reader" is improper! Writers, please stop.

[PT: "AFAB/AMAB reader" is improper! Writers, please stop.]

AGAB =/= anatomy! Intersex people can be AFAB or AMAB, and anyone (intersex or perisex) can go through sex-altering surgeries or HRT!

Please, I am begging people to popularize the following as tags:

#Estrogenized-leaning reader (Or "#E-lean reader" for short) #Androgenized-leaning reader (Or "#A-lean reader" for short) #Androestrogenized-leaning reader (or "#Anes-lean reader" for short) #Unspecified reader (or "#Unspec reader" for short)

To add along with the previous tags, if genital anatomy is necessary to discuss:

#Reader with penoscrotal setup (or "#Reader w PSS" for short) #Reader with vulvovaginal setup (or #Reader w VVS" for short) #Reader with ambiguous setup (or "#Reader w AS" for short)

To add along with the previous tags, if reproductive anatomy is necessary to discuss:

#Reader who menstruates #Reader impregnation (with the mpreg, fpreg, & enpreg/nbpreg hashtags.) #Reader with seminal vesicles (or "#Reader w semves" for short) #Reader with prostate

And ofc, these aren't gender tags! Add gender tags! These are anatomy [PT: anatomy] tags.

Don't come at me with the "thats too many tagsssss" bullshit, either. Thats like, five tags max, and only if all three categories are relevant to your story.

Example:

#A-lean reader #Reader with PSS #Mpreg #Reader impregnation #male reader

Please separate sex from the binary in your mind if you want to be an actual LGBTQIA+ ally.

[m4lk1n]

Agab language is very intersexist for a ton of reasons but its also quite transphobic, separating trans people into binary groups based on the gender they forced into as children is transphobic its literally just going back to forcing people into a "male"/"female" binary, that's what reactionaries do to us, why are we defining ourselves using their framework.

It's also just inaccurate, if you mean "has a dick" just say "has a dick" its literally more accurate, a lot of trans men have dicks and a lot of trans women don't, a lot of nonbinary people have a dick and a lot don't. you're not being inclusive by erasing what people actually are in favor of defining them by what they were forced to be.

Also assigning a person a gender is not a neutral act its violent and usually traumatic and I think its kind of fucked up to refer to people based on a process that was very traumatic for most of us, its not inclusive or useful its just repackaged bioessentialism.

[thisis-intersexism]

Intersexism is people genuinely believe that AGAB/ASAB means "a [X] at birth" (ex: "a female at birth") that's. No. That's not what that means.

The way that AGAB/ASAB language has been so heavily bastardized and changed to now being honestly completely incoherent in 90% of contexts is so baffling to me. There is a difference between assigned gender, biological sex characteristics, a socially imposed gender/sex, and your gender and sexual identity, all of which can coincide or contradict with each other in nuanced, individual ways. You weren't a "female" at birth, you were assigned that sexual label in order to categorize you into a gender that will be imposed onto you, whether that's consistent or inconsistent.

The fact that this was said by an intersex creator is baffling.

Edit: they made a Tiktok saying transfem's experience more oppression than transmascs yeah they're cooked.

[transfemboygirl]

i'm not afab or amab, i'm intersex. my agab means nothing, it doesn't say what i do or don't experience, it doesn't say what i can or can't talk about. i've had multiple doctors CHANGE my agab over 5 times growing up. you can't decide what i am because doctors can't even decide. why should i or other intersex people let perisex strangers decide labels for us?

it doesn't matter if you've been told "all intersex people are still afab/amab" because that isn't true. what is true is intersex bodies are commonly forced into one through surgery or forced horomones. that doesn't make them afab or amab, that just makes them a victim of a perisex driven world.

i'm tired of seeing perisex people force me into an agab. especially when it's most commonly whichever they hate more / sees as the enemy. a lot is just plain unhidden sexism. to random people im suddenly afab if im too whiny, im suddenly amab if im too aggressive. then the most recent one is im suddenly afab if i say i support trans men and intersex people..??? as if either is an afab only club? people who do this need to unpack why they're doing it, and preferably stop. i'm so tired.

⚠️ Do not use they/them if talking about me to others in reblogs/comments. I have neopronouns in my pinned post ⚠️

[king-salsa]

not to be a prescriptivist but ASAB/AGAB language was intended be used to describe the event itself and is typically an action performed by someone present at your birth (ie the doctor or midwife or parent depending on circumstances), and not an ongoing state of being. it does not entirely make sense to me when people describe themselves as "assigned male/female at birth" in the present tense. i am not currently being assigned male at birth when that birth was decades ago. i'm not even saying you have to abandon AMAB and AFAB it's just a matter of semantics. also stop making it the nouveau binary.

[legionofrot]

hey btw afabs can be born having cocks and balls and no tits and be rlly hairy and amabs can be born having vaginas and uteruses and tits and have very little hair . agab ≠ sex . agab ≠ gender . agab doesnt even equal what u were born as . shut up . agab is as made up as gender and sex stop using it as a new binary stop using it when referring to genitalia stop using it to refer to pre-transition bodies . stfu

[binaryabolition]

death to AGAB! here's some ways to cut AGAB terminology out of your conversations:

if you need to discuss anatomy, just say "people with (organ)". AGAB is an extremely terrible and unreliable way to discuss anatomy, especially with intersex and transgenital individuals existing.

if you need to discuss misogyny, i personally like using "misogyny-affected''. it's simple, to the point, and doesn't exclude trans people for no reason.

if you need to discuss a dating or living preference, please look into what it is that you associate with each AGAB into your preference. if it's a genital preference, please just say that; it's a million times better than saying "i prefer AMABs/AFABs". if you prefer certain secondary sex characteristics, those aren't even exclusive to AGAB at all and it is transsexist to assume that they are.

if you're trying to talk about people with certain histories (growing up as a certain gender), AGAB is still a terrible way to do so and excludes intersex people and those who transition early. just say "people who grew up as boys" and "people who grew up as girls". or you can even just say "misogyny-affected in childhood".