#alcimache

[lesbodysseus]

What group of people each Greek mythology character is for except it's all negative and I'm insulting all of them just because I can:

Agamennon is for parents who are well intentioned but their actions still end up causing bad outcomes for their children

Odysseus is for compulsive liars who can't help themselves but lie about everything or people who have a natural talent of making everyone hate them

Briseis is for women who have a man close to them who is very clearly horrible for them and doesn't benefit them in any way but they're convinced this man can be trusted because they look at him through rose coloured glasses

Teucer is for mixed people who act like only one side of their heritage is good and the other is bad and are ashamed of being part of the same culture as one of their parents while being proud of the other parent's culture or for oppressed people who think if they help the oppressor oppress their people they'll be in the oppressor's good favour

Hermione is for women who when they find out they got cheated on they take their anger out on the person their partner cheated with and not on the cheater themselves

Alcimache is for women who are constantly overshadowed for the men in their lives women who only exist to be background characters in the lives of their father, their brother, husband or son and never their own people

Orestes is for men with mommy issues

Electra is for women with mommy issues

Peleus is for people who are filled with guilt over their past actions or for people who always end up losing everyone they love and care for no matter what

Helen is for people who hate themselves for something that isn't their fault

Chrysothemis is for good people who were born into unfortunately horrible and broken families and constantly try to be the peacekeeper mending their family yet never succeed

Neoptolemus is for people who used to be good when they were young but went through something that changed them forever and they see themselves now as just a shadow of who they once were

Oneiros is for people who were always treated as second place to their siblings and never had their own achievements acknowledged because they were always outshone by their gifted sibling

Greater Ajax is for hypocritical people who treat certain groups with prejudice despite having loved ones from those groups that would be harmed by the things they call for to happen to these groups if they ever actually happened

Achilles is for people who center their life around making a name for themselves they forget to actually live it the way they want to and surround themselves with work instead of the people they love that they fail to notice their life rapidly drifting away from them or for stupid gay blondes

Paris is for people who are cowards and despite claiming to stand for something never fight for what they stand for

Cassandra is for women who are constantly ignored because of the men around them

Diomedes is for people who are the children of well respected people who made a good name for themselves yet are never able to match up to the accomplishments of their parents

[sksjjsjwjejsjwos]

here are some descendants of aeacus i find underrated because they aren’t just peleus, telamon, their sons, phocus, and neoptolemus (so yes this is a list of achilles, greater ajax, and teucer’s secret relatives):

- pylades (yes he’s descended from aeacus via his father strophius, a grandson of phocus. He’s pretty well known but most people overlook his descent from aeacus)

- medon, ajax the lesser’s illegitimate half brother who fought in the trojan war with him. Descended from aeacus via alcimache, his mother and aeacus’ daughter

- alcimache. WHY DONT I SEE ANYONE TALK ABOUT HER YES PELEUS TELAMON AND PHOCUS HAD A SECRET SISTER

- panopeus, member of the calydonian boar hunt and son of phocus and his wife asterodia. He also took part in this campaign against this other kingdom and swore by athena and ares to not lay his hands on any of the loot taken but broke his oath immediately. As a result, his son epeius was cursed to be unwarlike

- crisus, pylades’ grandfather and panopeus’ twin brother. For some reason theres this myth of them fighting in the womb as fetuses

- epeius, architect of the trojan horse. Descended from aeacus via his father panopeus, a son of phocus. I find this super interesting since there was this prophecy that troy would fall to the descendants of aeacus but nobody ever talks about how the guy who literally built the thing that allowed troy to fall was one of them

- aegle, sister of epeius and lover of theseus. Some sources state that theseus left ariadne for her

- eurysaces, son of ajax the greater by tecmessa, a slave he captured during the trojan war

[sksjjsjwjejsjwos]

what even happened to aegina after aeacus died

telamon and peleus are exiled, phocus is dead, alcimache and menoetius (I think???) are both in locris, and actor and his kids are in phthia. i mean damocraetia could've still been there but she wouldn't have any children if we go by the version where she didn't marry menoetius and even if we do she would've be in opus with him

[babyrdie]

Who was the king of Aegina (the place, not the nymph) after Aeacus? Because like, Peleus and Telamon got kicked out or fled and Phocus got killed. Apparently, some sites say that in one version of the The Iliad scholia Aeacus has a daughter named Alcimache, but considering that the same scholia supposedly says she is the mother of Ajax with Oileus (I'm talking about the Lesser Ajax), then she was already in another kingdom and wasn't available to be married and her husband to be king of Aegina. Also, anyway, Alcimache isn't a very present figure in the surviving sources and Ajax' mother tends to have other name, as far as I know. So we have that:

Peleus' lineage stayed in Epirus (Molossus like in Euripides' Andromache and, sometimes, Pielus according to Pausanias) and Phthia and even went to Asia Minor (Mysia, if I'm not mistaken?) if we consider the account of Pergamus by Pausanias. Even if we consider the daughters of Peleus (e.g. Polydora, who seems to be the most frequent daughter in the sources. She is already in Homer and Hesiod), these daughters married and became part of the lineage of other kingdoms and not Aegina. Considering Neoptolemus (because of Achilles, of course), then there is connection to Skyros as well, although I don't recall Neoptolemus ever attaching Skyros to his reign in the sources. In some versions, Thetis and Peleus had other children before Achilles (Hesiod, for example), but they died as babies, so they would obviously no heirs. In an unusual version, Neoptolemus is the son of Iphigenia and Achilles, but this doesn't connect him with Mycenae because he is still raised in Skyros in these versions (Lycophron, for example) and Orestes is the heir.

Telamon's lineage stayed in Salamis and (counting Teucer) stabilished in Cyprus in some sources (Tzetzes, for example). If we consider the unusual Trambelus, then Lesbos too, but Trambelus died young and I don't remember him having children (Pathernius, for example). In later periods, for apparently political reasons, Ajax was linked to Athens in some versions through a son he had before the Trojan War (not with Tecmessa, but with Lysidice).

If we consider Alcimache of The Iliad scholia, her lineage stayed among the Locrians.

Phocus either has no lineage mentioned or has sons Crisus and Panopeus, but both left Aegina and went to Phocis (Pausanias, for example). The name is very obvius in this regard, I think.

So seriously…Aegina, who is your second mythological king?