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Are you outside of #NYC but still want to take our satire workshop? We're excited to launch our first online-only satire workshop with editors Sarah Pappalardo and Beth Newell - learn more at http://education.reductress.com
Beth Newell + Sarah Pappalardo / New York / Photograph Polina Yamshchikov x the Guardian
Dan Harmon: I think shame is our biggest problem.
Beth Newell: I think it’s white fragility and male fragility in a nutshell. Cause it’s like when you tell someone ‘Hey, the thing you guys always do really hurts me as a person.’ they experience a tiny fraction of that pain they’re like ‘Oh, I hurt someone.’
DH: Well the part that I just heard was ‘the thing you guys always do’ and I was like processing a million- I was like ‘fuck you fuck you fuck you’ while you’re telling me that it hurts you.
BN: Yeah in a lot of instances it’s like 'Hey the thing you do is kills us' and they’re like ‘That hurts our feelings for you to say that’ And you’re like but on our side that’s a little bit bigger.
DH: And a microcosm of it is every relationship. Where because I just had one tonight where I didn’t have a fight with my girlfriend but we had a thing. We love each other so much any turbulence causes a conversation of where if someone were to express a need if someone were to say ‘oh I’m dissatisfied in this area..’ when I hear that, unless I’m fuckin’ on point and sober and ready for anything and have just finished breathing four times, taking four second breaths and have a big mouth full of peanut butter and I got a sheep on my dick. I don’t know what- I’m in a hammock. Whatever the ideal is. Unless those ideal situations are met I’m bound to hear your dissatisfaction as ‘I fucked up. I fucked up.’ Now, it’s easy when you look back on it after your autonomic system like cools down, we always look back and go ‘Oh, that person told me I fucked up and wow they must really give a fuck like to tell me that’ and also my ability to say ‘I fucked up’ is pretty cool sexy alpha. But in that moment you’re always- I’m always like ‘I didn’t fuck up. I didn’t fuck up. Like you should know well maybe I did fuck up but it definitely pales in comparison to your fuck ups. Even just telling me I fucked up is kind of a fuck up if you think about it!’ There’s just this like scramble and it’s a panic that is equivalent to when you’re drowning. It’s fight or flight. And there’s something romantic about that because you’re feeling fight or flight- don’t shake your head, Brandon- at the heart of it all is why would you pani- it’s like if you watch a war movie about Nazis when they’re herding people into a camp there’s not a ton of like ‘Ow. My shoes hurt.’ ‘What the fuck are you saying that for? I’m a fucking good Nazi!’ They’re like not hearing them and not looking at them as humans. There is a place you can get to where hatred and privilege and all the things that we’re struggling with like get to a place that’s like holy shit that’s really bad. And right now for it to be at a place of people freaking out all the time. Like the fact that the internet is a goddamn fucking cesspool is because like we’re getting hurt by each other. And half of us or well 20% of us or whatever are getting hurt by the idea that we’ve been doing wrong the whole time. ‘We’re just trying to make you happy. This is the world we made for you ladies!’”
BN: “I think a lot of us have the impulse to be like ‘hey I didn’t mean to do that’ and we really want to prove it to them. But it’s like-
DH: ’I didn’t mean for you to call me a slut I just wanted you to know I was- I wanted like fair wages.’
BN: The fact that someone would bring the point up to you is them knowing that you didn’t mean to. Like, they already know that. So we get caught in this trap trying to prove to them that we’re a good person who wouldn’t intentionally hurt them. It’s like that’s beside the point to them. They’re just trying to tell you to stop doing it.
DH: And it’s hard because every human being shares this, I think, primatological, there is a surf-curl or a wind that gets in your sail. The moment you, it’s self-righteousness. It’s not even self-righteousness. That sounds pejorative. It’s righteousness. When you truly are right. It’s not fabricated. You are right. That’s when we, a lot of us breakdown. My heroes are, the people that have changed me, are people who have been right and have taken mercy on me and been like ‘Hey, man. You should know, you’re wrong and I’m right’ but they come in somehow lower. I don’t know. I don’t even know how they did it. Like, I’ve had these experiences where I’m like I would have just argued about this shit and been this way. If it weren’t for this one person, this anonymous person on Twitter or at some flame war that was like. It’s a dangerous mechanism in all of us. When we, I think when we feel correct, when we feel right, there’s like a Newtonian law there that like puffs us up more and then creates this syndrome because when you feel wrong you have a defensive reaction and then when you feel right you have an aggressive reaction. Maybe that’s me describing men. I don’t think so though.
BN: I have a theory now that we’ve all been emotionally abused by probably our parents or someone along the way.
DH: I like that theory.
BN: And then our coping mechanism going forward it’s either fight or flight so in certain situations we just become the abusers because we’re like 'I’m the right one here.’ You know? It’s a way of taking control.
DH: I think in chaotic households, which should describe 100% of households even if you think you lived in a Beaver Cleaver household. You’re a kid so it’s chaotic. I do think it’s like you have these like tyrants who are going to say 'because I said so’ and they’re gonna be like and I think the moments that that dopamine spike us and evolve us at the moment we stand up to them and prove them wrong. I believe. I should just speak for myself. I mean that was my household. I didn’t learn that the more I could roll over the more freedom I got at all. Like my curfews got extended by fucking monologues. Like my posture improved. It was like all my leveling up had to do with like the moment I finally lost my shit and fucking like proved someone wrong emulating the weapons they woud use against me. Which were like yelling and shaming and toxifying and all that stuff and I guess that’s what we’re all up against.
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How did you come up with the idea of Reductress? Sarah: We were both writing and performing sketch comedy, and realized there was a lack of spaces for women to create comedy for and about us. Then Beth came to me with the idea for a fake women’s magazine, and we were happy to find that nobody had really done it before. Beth: Yeah, plenty of people had made fun of women’s media before but it…
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It's time for Beginnings, the podcast where writer and performer Andy Beckerman talks to the comedians, writers, filmmakers and musicians he admires about their earliest creative experiences and the numerous ways in which a creative life can unfold.
On today's episode I talk to writer Beth Newell. Originally from Lynnfield, MA, Beth has been writing, performing and teaching sketch at The Magnet Theater for many years. She's also one of the founders and editors of the satirical women's magazine Reductress. In the three short years since its inception, Reductress has become it's own cottage industry. Besides the online magazine, it's also spawned a wonderful podcast called Mouth Time, and on October 25th, their first book, How to Win at Feminism, will be released by HarperCollins.
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This is Beth Newell, one of the founders and editors of the satirical feminist magazine Reductress. Not only does Reductress capture the zeitgeist in a way I haven’t seen since The Onion’s 9/11 issue, but it’s also super-funny, and their podcast Mouth Time is a delight. Quite an empire they’re building. Anyway, on the show tomorrow, I talk to Beth about her childhood, female role models and much more. She’s great!
Save the Date - December 3 at 7pm
for the next Real Characters Humor Reading and Storytelling, featuring:
Beth Newell (co-founder and editor of Reductress) Mike Albo (The Underminer, The Junket) Frank Lesser (The Colbert Report, The New York Times) and Jenny Rubin (The Jenny Rubin Show)
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