#burials

[dduane]

Anglo-Saxon children discovered buried with warrior gear in UK — perhaps as a nod to 'the men these children might have become'

Archaeologists have discovered Anglo-Saxon children buried with a spear, shield and buckles, gear that's usually seen in warriors' graves.

[katerinaaqu]

Can I ask you about the underworld in Greek mythology? Particularly burials and judging where people end up.

How does it work?

If someone doesn’t get the burial properly are they stuck from entering the underworld for all eternity? Did people give their enemies or slaves proper burials?

Are there any specific things that separate who gets into Elysium vs Asphodel vs Tartarus? (Christianity and Islam I think have just paradise and hell for right and wrong) (Norse mythology has Valhalla but you need to die in battle to get there) Are there similar “rules”?

if you have any good places to read about it, I’d be happy to check those out please

Absolutely.

Well of course as someone expects burials is the primary source we have on not only beliefs for death and afterlife but also on societies themselves. One thing is for sure that regardless of beliefs, a burial seems to be a must for either case.

Now ancient Greek and Roman beliefs are of course different than abrahamic religions that speak on paradise hell and in cases of catholic belief pugnatory. There are also various branches and cults that bring some different aspect to life after death (for example Orphic tradition of mysticistic rituals) but generally speaking the ancient Greeks had a very blunt thought about death; that it is dark and unpleasant. We see this belief already in Homer where all the dead regardless of their heroic life, skills or good works they end up to the same place, what we call Asphodel fields. Essentially Homer gives us a very grim aspect of death; how everyone regardless of what they did in life will probably end up at the same place and even Achilles mentioned how he'd rather be the last slave at a poor house than reign among the dead.

Which is probably why Greeks had such a great obsession one could say with life, present as well as honor and glory through remembrance. Basically what you do now reflects on the eternity you will have in the memories of others and how your own children will inherit fame from you to go on. What you do on this life echoes forever to people that stay behind. Both Tartarus and Elysium seem to be reserved for the absolute worst and the absolute best. Both of these seem to be smaller persentages. Most of the time you expect to see monsters and titans in Tartarus where Zeus exiled them after taking over the authority of heavens while in Elysium we speak almost of deified heroes or heroes that earned respect through hero cults. The location of Elysium seems to have other names too such as "Isle of Leukas". It depends really on cults and different opinions in regards to human spirit but by n large 99% of the time you expect all to go to the underworld and like renounced heroes or figures associated with gods or have some godly feature end up to Elysium. Seems highly unlikely for common mortals to end up in Elysium.

Now what happens to souls that do not receive burial? Well once again various thoughts exist in regards to how that works. Now for a great deal of time spirit seems to linger around the dead body for several days (3 usually I believe, which is still used to these day in Greece when funerary rites are performed three days after the burial), after that the soul departs for Hades. The funerary rites seem to be granting the soul a safe passage to the other end especially with the obolus to pay Charon in later times when coin economy became more a thing. Now what happens if someone doesn't get properly prepared for the underworld? Well on popular belief, I believe known already in Virgil's Aeneid, the dead that did not get the passage to the river, they have to remain there at the edge of Styx and wait 100 years till they can finally cross over, wander about aimlessly at the crowded end (Part of it I used for my own story "The Death of Odysseus", specifically on the second chapter where Odysseus observes other shades around him and notices some are with shrouds and some are without etc You can see it both here and in my ao3) The possibility for a vengeaful or sorrowful spirit linger or speak to people can exist for instance Clytemnestra appears in Aeschulus later as a source for sending the Furies against her son or we see ghosts appearing in literature and then go down to Hades again, even if they do have a grave for instance in Argonautica by Apollonius Rhodius)

Generally speaking a person that didn't receive a burial or funerary rites seems to remain at the edge of Styx for an elongated period of time.

Burials are also of course happening. We do know that even in Homer there are stops of fights so that the dead will be granted burial. We do see the aspect of each side burying their own, usually at nights (hence also battles stopping at nights for resting as well as burying the dead) but we can assume that some sort of hasty burial would be expected at a battlefield even amongst adversaries (I partially got inspired by it for my Ismarus story particularly the third chapter) Of course in huge battles we can expect sometimes a mass grave to be made (historically we have this at rare occasions to signify the importance of a battle as a sacred space, for instance the tomb of Marathon.

Usually we can tell if a mass grave is indeed to signify a battle and not some sickness for instance (which we see already in Homer how funerary pyres were burning massively to bury the numerous dead by the plague) because we also tend to see the males of fighting age that bear trauma to their bodies and on occasions bear the arms that they had at battle. Burial customs of both burials and burns exist at the same time sometimes. Now slaves are hard to tell but I think it is save to assume they did get burials but as one expects, common graves and pits were being used. We even get some special findings such as the mass grave at Pydna in Macedonia that we see the burial ground of several bodies men and women mostly of mature age but less elders. They do have signs of stress and malnutrition to their bodies and signs of physical labor. A handful of them were even tied with chains or iron neck bands.

(images from antiquity.ac)

This burial in Pydna seems to be linked to the mass import of slaves from the wars Alexander the Great conducted. We even hear on a story given to us by Arrian. According to that, when Alexander won the battle of Granikos he captured, among others, fellow Greeks mercenaries that had sided with the enemy. He caught those and sent them back to be used for hard labor as punishment. We can expect slaves to receive a burial but so far it seems that they are mostly in mass graves and if they have any sort of personal items as burial goods, they would be very modest if any at all. But yes of course we would expect burials to happen (perhaps it also depends on whether a slave was dear to a master or had a more privileged position to a household for instance if he was the teacher of caretaker of the child of the family) if anything, out of hygiene and practicality

Now the idea of cenotaph aka an empty but symbolic tomb, seems to also exist. Already Telemachus in the Odyssey mentions how he would build a sema for his father if he found out that he is dead even if he would have no body to bury. Historically we do see post-mortem dedications too even outside of the tomb context. This serves of course the remembrance purpose when for some reason the body was not retrieved or not offered a proper funeral.

We also seem to have later sources to speak on how mutilating one's body before or after death would have impact on the dead below which is also why apart from recognition, traitors and treacherous slaves were mutilated by having their noses or ears cut off at some cases.

I hope this answers your question to some degree but I would be happy to elaborate more if there is something specific you need me to look up for.

[archaeologicalnews]

The burials that could challenge historians' ideas about Anglo-Saxon gender

There are a significant number of Anglo-Saxon burials where the estimated anatomical sex of the skeleton does not align with the gender implied by the items they were buried with. Some bodies identified as male have been buried with feminine clothing, and some bodies identified as female have been found in the sorts of "warrior graves" typically associated with men.

In the archaeology of early Anglo-Saxon England, weaponry, horse-riding equipment and tools are thought to signal masculinity, while jewelry, sewing equipment and beads signal femininity. And, for the most part, this pattern fits.

So far though, no convincing explanation has been put forward for the burials which appear to invert the pattern. My Ph.D. research asks whether looking at these atypically gendered burials through the lens of trans theory and the 21st-century language of "transness" has the potential to improve historians' understanding of early Anglo-Saxon gender. Read more.

[vortexanomaly]

[cuties-in-codices]

god burying moses

illustration from a copy of rudolf von ems' 13th c. weltchronik (world chronicle), bavaria, c. 1400-1410

source: Los Angeles, Getty Museum, Ms. 33 (88.MP.70), fol. 112v

[thatpollguy]

Have you ever been to an open casket funeral?

Yes, several

Yes, one

No, but I've been to closed casket funerals

No, I've never been to a funeral

Voting ended onJan 30

[deepwaterfiction]

Deep Water Prompt #3222

We bury our dead with preserved foods. If they have unfinished business, they will wake in ten years, feast, and claw their way back to the surface as young men and women.