#comic discussion

[cranberrycosmic]

"...I hate you."

"I know."

Transformers: Till All Are One (2016), issue #11

[lookingthroughmirrors]

Ok, I have a question about the batarang incident.

It was, factually, attempted murder. He slit Jason’s throat with a knife. There’s no ifs or buts about it. Jason really, probably should’ve died from a wound like that. I’ve seen the arguments that Bruce wasn’t aiming for his throat or that he was distracted and missed, but that’s not good enough.

My question is, if it was any other Batfamily member would people try so desperately to justify Bruce? If he’d done it to Cass or Dick or Tim or even Damian or Steph?

I see a lot in fanfiction that the batarang is excused because it was Jason that it was done to. Because it was Jason, they can move past it. Even fics that deal more directly with the batarang seem to do this a lot and I find it crazy. Specifically that mostly other Batfam characters, most often Tim or Dick, justify Bruce’s actions until Jason agrees or is worn down to coming home (which like, would only ever end terribly it’s so unhealthy it’s insane)

I really just want to know what other people think? Would the batarang incident be seen as the child abuse that it is if Bruce was perpetrating that against one of the other batkids? Or what if it was another hero, like Oliver Queen or Barry Allen did what Bruce did, would it still be justified and excused the same way?

Or, like how most things seem to end with Bruce, is it written the way it is and accepted the way it is, because it was Jason that was hurt?

I guess overall I want to understand what makes people excuse or even justify the batarang incident (ooc writing or not) and that if something was changed, like the characters involved, would that change how the event is seen?

[zarkzrrk]

Whenever a ‘Cyclops fan’ ‘blames’ Emma Frost for Cyclops’ ‘radicalization’, I immediately cannot take you or your takes on Cyclops or Scemma seriously because that shows me how much you lack empathy & nuance.

Whether you like Scemma or not, it is a now crucial aspect of Cyclops’ character & how much he values empathy & redemption.

Emma’s impact on Scott & vice versa are simply support systems in their relationship. They were already in the process of changing their approach on their principles.

[seilnakyle]

Funniest thing about Batman hush is seeing Batman being so lovesick after the first kiss. I know he was kicking his feet and writing about this in the bat journal.

Bruce was so locked in the second he got a taste ☺️😏 -> X

“How can I make this abt Selina” 24/7 he’s just like me fr 😩🖤 no one else has ever consumed his brain like this

Bruce gazing into the distance imagining his girl’s pretty face…he is so gone like she has this man floating

SELINA SELINA MY LOVE MY SELINA I MISS MY SELINA 😵‍💫

He wants her so bad it pisses him OFF 😭

Got him gripping the sink, contemplating his life

THANK GOD FOR REAL YEARNERS AND PATHETICALLY IN LOVE MEN

[springu-u]

I both agree and disagree about jason’s “angry robin” characterization depending what the context is. Modern writers tend to depict him as someone very violent and almost a lost cause, someone who hurts others just because he could. But at the same time, I dislike it when readers turn the other way around and depict him as an always happy-go-lucky robin.

Yes, jason was a lovely robin, a good kid who loved school and adores his mantle. But it doesn’t erase the fact that he has his moments where it painted him as angry and reckless. I think it’s actually pretty difficult to describe each robin with a singular personality trait.

I wouldn’t mind them as long as both writers and readers remember that, fundamentally, jason was the “angry robin” because he’s such a good person. He was angry on the field not because he can, but because he had such a good heart and it angers him to see good people get hurt.

(I have my own opinions about batman & robin: jason todd however)

This is a kid who was a victim of gotham’s system since he was born. Say what you want about him but he has the rights to be angry for the people of gotham, especially the ones who couldn’t defend themselves from criminals and justice system alike. He’s such a good kid at heart that even the sight of criminals makes his blood boil, the thought that they hurt other innocent people. Despite having a father who was a criminal, jason knew both of his parents were victims at some point too, and I think that’s why he kind of set cathrine in a higher regard compared to willis.

Bruce and the other robins share the same views as him, but none (except Steph) had lived through gotham like he did. He was in the trenches till he was 12 years old when bruce adopted him.

Its why, for me, what’s most devastating about jason turning into red hood isn’t just the good kid turning bad, but its more-so because he had lost so much faith in the system, in batman and robin, that he chose to manage the crimes to make sure it doesn’t get too far. He manages the crimes around to minimize their victims, not to fully erase it.

Of course that’s my personal views on him based on what I’ve read. Feel free to disagree or add your own opinions to it.

[snakeredbirdbatkatana]

There is something really interesting about Bruce who is super anti-gun because of trauma.

Versus so many other characters ending up in traumatic situations and using guns.

Truthfully, I also think there's something to be discussed about how the firearm use we typically see is done by objectively highly trained, and very competent individuals.

That's not to say there are not random people using guns in the comics but the ones we most focus on are the ones who practice gun safety, know exactly how deadly the weapon is, are never risking their weapons falling into inexperienced or dangerous hands. 

But that does circle back to the point that guns are inherently unsafe, and that even in experienced hands there is still a risk.

Another aspect of this discussion that I do enjoy very much is Bruce's trauma really affecting the interpretation of guns in the comics, but also our real life experiences with gun violence affecting our interpretations of them too. 

Side thing, and I do say this from someone who is experienced with firearms and has knowledge in that area so many things are extremely unrealistic, and I think that is why I'm able to kind of support in a weird way the use of firearms in the comics. Because truthfully half of the shit Red Hood or even Slade Wilson is doing, is at best highly unlikely or at worst physically impossible.

But that in itself helps keep the illusion in a way of them being extremely trained individuals because there are trained soldiers or government operatives in real life who could never do that because physics would not allow it.

*At some point, I will discuss a little bit more, my opinions, on firearms, and stuff in the comics because it is actually an interest of mine but that's another day.

* I want to clarify what I said enjoy I do not mean that I find joy out of talking about horrific traumatic events. I mean, I understand and have no qualms discussing these instances. I do not actually find happiness in horrific issues.

[jyoungbloodvo]

Having preschool shows based off of comic books is funny because little kids see villains like The Joker and Ultron just pulling pranks or committing petty theft but then they get older and see them committing murder and mass genocide