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(Questioning) schizospec system culture is help me that guy thinks he’s dead and i partially feel the same
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Introduction to: Delusional Misidentification Syndrome
What is Delusional Misidentification Syndrome?
Delusional misidentification syndrome (DMS) is an umbrella term for a collection of delusions that involve misidentifying a person, object, place, body part, or the delusional person themselves.
DMSs are associated with neurological trauma, dissociation, and schizophrenic disorders.
Types of DMSs
DMSs typically involve misidentifying one of three things: the self, the other, and/or the place.
The self: These delusions involve the misidentification of the person themselves, or a part of their body.
The other: These delusions involve the misidentification of other people, pets, or objects.
The place: These delusions involve the misidentification of places or locations.
The Self
Mirrored self misidentification is the delusion that the person's reflection is someone else.
Syndrome of subjective doubles is the delusion that the person has a double (doppelgänger / clone) of themselves acting independently.
Cotard('s) delusion / syndrome is the delusion that the person, or parts of their body or organs, are dead, dying, or don't exist. Most people with this delusion have severe depression.
Clinical lycanthropy is the delusion that the person has turned, or is turning, into an animal. It can be considered a type of reverse intermetamorphosis.
The Place
Reduplicative paramnesia is the belief that a place or location (or, rarely, an object, person, or part of the body) as having been copied, existing in two places at the same time, or moved to a different location. Most case studies involve people reporting the hospital they are in is in their home town, when it isn't. "Paramnesia" is commonly called déjà vu.
The Other
Capgras delusion is the delusion that someone close to the person, such as a friend, family member, or a pet, has been replaced with an identical imposter.
Fregoli delusion is the delusion that other people are actually the same person in disguise. Capgras and Fregoli delusions often co-exist.
Intermetamorphosis is the delusion that other people can change their appearance and personality at will, pretending to be the person they are basing themselves off.
Delusional companion syndrome (DCS) is the delusion that objects (often stuffed toys) are sentient, and have their own sense of self, wants and needs.
What can be done for a person with DMS?
Option 1: Nothing. Psychotic people can live happy lives without any intervention!
Option 2: Therapy. This can include either accepting the delusion / going along with it, or trying to change it. It can be used in combination with pharmacotherapy (medication).
Option 3: Pharmacotherapy. Antipsychotics and other medication can help reduce symptoms. It can be used in combination with talk therapy.
No matter what choice the person makes (and it should be up to the person), the desired outcome is reducing suffering (which might not mean trying to stop or slow the psychosis) and increasing their quality of life.
Cotard Syndrome: A mental illness where one believes they are already dead, do not exist, are decomposing from the inside out, or believe that specific organs do not work. A mild case is characterized by despair and self-loathing, while a severe case is characterized by intense delusions of negation and chronic psychiatric depression.
One of my friends brought up that I had pretty obvious Cotard's, and now I'm feeling kinda invalidated, which sucks because they didn't intend it that way, but like... I was trying to figure out what to do for the anniversary of my death that's coming up in like two weeks, and apparently the entire thing is fake??? What the fuck do I do.
I think I understand what you mean by feeling invalidated in a way. I’ve felt that way before when someone told me outright I was having a delusional thought process, and part of me felt relieved someone was interested in and cared about me while another part was upset they had said it like that and frustrated they didn’t understand. I ended up arguing with them that it wasn’t delusional and we had a stalemate debate over it.
It can be rough being suddenly yanked out of such a thing, whether it’s like your situation, or someone believing their world is unreal and a punishment created for them so they’re structuring their life around uncovering clues as to how to ascend it, or someone being certain their voices are special messages to guide them, and other similar themes. It’s something important to us that we’ve invested energy into, and all at once someone else is tearing it down.
In the end, it’s better to come out of a delusion. I’ve talked before about how most delusions appear objectively negative due to immediate potential and likely negatives or problems that will occur later on if it’s kept up. But others should be gentle about it and try to figure out what methods of helping would best click with each of us individually.
There’s an ask answered in the past about Cotard’s which you can read here, if you like ^^ I’m not sure what else to suggest ‘cause I’m not sure what would be good for you. Perhaps talking to this person more, listening to calming sounds and doing introspection, grounding to keep yourself in the present while bringing down your stress, writing in a journal or elsewhere to vent, reading scientific articles about what you’re going through, playing a game, contacting a professional if you have one, etc. Take care!- Mod Alex
The Continuum of Delusional Misidentification
Sno (1994) suggests that Delusional Misidentification Syndromes (DMSs) exist on a continuum, from normal -> slightly abnormal (mild) -> abnormal (severe; delusional).
In this diagram he shows that Cotard's delusion exists as a severe form of depersonalisation, and reduplicative paramnesia as a severe form of déjà vu. "Differentiation is based on the severity of the disturbance of reality testing."
We can assume that this can apply to other forms of DMSs; for example delusional companion syndrome (DCS) might exist on a spectrum from animism to DCS.
Sno, Herman N., 'A Continuum of Misidentification Symptoms', Psychopathology, 1994, pp. 144-147.
⚠️ before anyone hates me i am questioning whether we have it /gen
i haven't checked it in forever due to intrusive thoughts but last time i did *every single fucking post* in the cotard's tag was bitching about wwatt fans crosstagging... which we have not seen at all. ever. i'm not saying that it never happened but if it ever did then whoever misused the tag almost certainly did it on accident and even if they for some reason did it on purpose then either way the best thing one can do is to -> politely <- send them an ask or a dm or a post reply or whatever to let them know that they made a mistake instead of making the tag completely and utterly unusable to us and others with it ok rant over
hey do u hav any resources for coping with cotards delusion/syndrome ? it would b much appreciated thank you..
Hey anon,
Unfortunately, we don’t. Do any followers know of resources?
--roboraptor
“Living With Being Dead” by Erika Hayasaki for Matter
Gazing around the compound, I lock eyes with a 52-year-old woman in cotton pajamas who’s curled into a half-fetal position in a pleather blue chair. She looks rabid, and for a moment it seems like she wants to lunge at her doctor — or raise a fist at me. Her short tendrils of hair are matted. Her teeth, rotting. She wears blue sandals that look like Crocs, and through the gaps I notice her toenails are gnarled. Her name is Juanita and she has told doctors, from time to time, that she does not exist.
Read at Matter - Erika Hayasaki