#epstein tw

[donutfem]

If you make jokes about the Epstein Files, I hope you know I hate you.

[twopoppies]

I’ve been thinking about this for the past few days. About how rich people and celebrities can hide so many things. We’ve heard about people being married and having children away from the public eye. About closeting and fake relationships. Completely different from their actual lives. They can keep their private lives a secret if they want to. 

And it’s not really the same situation, but reading about the horrific shit Epstein and his lot did is such a whiplash. Like, they were literally eating babies. A whole sex trafficking network and they kept in under wraps for decades. Of course, the extent of “hiding” is quite different, but it’s funny to me that people can’t believe that Louis and Harry could keep their relationship a secret for such a long time when so much worse things have been hidden. They could literally be married (even to other people, for example) and we wouldn’t know.

Far more sinister things have been hidden than two closeted boyband members. Just needed to get this off my chest.

Executives who run the music industry are all over the Epstein files and the Diddy trial reports. The fact that this fandom is full of people who think men like that wouldn’t resort to closeting a pair of teenagers, or who wouldn’t fake a pregnancy/force a fake fatherhood on someone, is insane to me. These people will literally do anything in order to maintain power and control.

And yes, absolutely anything can be hidden if you have enough money and power to make it happen.

[luckiestboy]

the Epstein file email that mentions trans people is a clear example of the many ways trans people are dehumanized.

You can see this in the sexualized and fetishized manner trans women are spoken of.

However, and this is important to add because you people refuse to comprehend it: being seen as disgusting and "worst of both worlds" is still dehumanization and a clear example of words that help erase the abuse FTMs endure. "You're too ugly to experience sexual violence" is a gross misunderstanding of why sexual violence befalls anyone.

Acknowledging transmasculine issues does not inherently take away from transfeminine issues.

Nobody is upset that trans men aren't sexualized in that email, we are upset because people saw someone post the image with three words added to it, and those same people seeing it, decided the reason the transandrophobia tag was included was because we're all apparently upset at not being trafficked, and not the obvious dehumanization which was the actual reason we're upset, amidst people who claim to be progressive, denying we have problems we are openly dehumanized by bigots and you sit by and act like it's not a problem. Maybe it isn't in your eyes, and if it isn't; Go fuck yourself and stop pretending to be any sort of feminist if you're spouting "men are inherently bad" bullshit. If you can't understand that's bioessentialism then shut the fuck up already.

Also news flash you assholes. Not having "unique" struggles doesn't mean a group isn't marginalized. Because apparently we have to fucking say that. Can you fools read the shit you're replying to ten times over before you say shit?

You motherfuckers need to learn to comprehend shit. I'm serious.

Pointing to dehumanization of the hypererased group isn't a personal attack on transfems, two things can be bad at the same time.

my fucking god you're getting prissy over a WORD being used in tags btw. Work on yourself.

[victimgutz]

really not a fan of how the word "pedophile" is being used in relation to the epstein files, largely i think because it feels like missing the point.

pedophiles aren't some sort of "other" or monstrous unhumans who are solely responsible for child sexual abuse. a lot of people who are not sexually attracted to kids at all sexually abuse kids. attraction does play into it a lot, and attraction to kids was definitely a factor in some (but not all!) of the abuse committed by people in epstein's circle, but it isn't a requirement in order to commit child sexual abuse or cause a child sexual trauma.

the way people are using that word in this context specifically reads very much like an othering and dehumanizing of the people involved, in such a way that obscures anyone else's sexual abuse of children when done with different motives. if pedophiles are a class of unperson, and they are solely responsible for child sexual abuse, then no one who you believe to be a person can possibly have sexually harmed a child. and if attraction to children is required to sexually exploit or abuse a child, then you can't possibly be capable of it if csa repulses you! those thought processes are dangerous. anyone can sexually abuse a child. child sexual abuse is committed by all kinds of people, all the time.

it's these kinds of thought processes that lead to people thinking it's completely okay to spread csem/csam of epstein's victims, because they're doing it for shock value, not sexual pleasure. your horror and repulsion don't prevent you from doing harm. it's also these kinds of thought processes that enabled epstein to do what he did! being charismatic and well liked get you seen as a person, and if you believe child sexual abuse is only committed by monsters, you won't see what's right in front of you.

[onlytiktoks]

[resignedseraph]

Anyone else been real uncomfortable lately with people talking about Epstein and all involved with him, and referring to them as the “elites” or a “cabal”?

[maemaybe]

Our pastor spoke about Epstein and Cesar Chavez today. She reminded the congregation that every time there is another news story about another prominent abuser, it's painful and triggering for survivors.

She said that her office is always open for anyone who needs to talk and that it's all confidential, and I thought about it. But even though I'm finding most parts of church healing, I feel like I can't take the risk of opening myself up to being hurt again.

[razielim]

im side-eyeing everyone slobbering at the thought of capital punishment for any man named in the epstein files

hard to trust someone who's not against state violence in general on principle, only against state violence in certain circumstances when they can personally understand why state violence might be bad in these particular cases. a fairweather friend iykwim