Don't take this as a hate, I don't have any problems with bakudeku or any other ship. But I feel like a lot of your guys 'confusion' comes from you missing the point and setup of the romance of Izuku and Ochako. You guys say that they're boring but what matters in the story is if it makes thematically sense or not. Izuku and Ochako don't have to be at each others throats or be rivals for them to be engaged in a romantic relationship at the end. Their dynamic makes sense because they've always supported each other and uplift one another. Ochako was literally one of the first people to accept him and treat him kindly. From that point their relationship increased and their dynamic turned into something more. It's often that we fall for the people who treat us with kindness and genuenity.
I appreciate bakugo's development but like, he literally bullied Deku for years. Yes you can argue he made up for his actions later, but a lof of his actions already happened, and Bakugo's actions for Izuku during the story comes off as him trying to redeem his past mistakes. Even All Might points this out by saying that Bakugo wants to help Izuku because of his past actions. It's great to see him develop but I don't buy the notion that they could be something more than friends who managed to fix their crap dynamic from their childhood days.
It also doesn't make any sense for Ochako's feelings to be discarded narratively because she's been consistently portrayed as selfless and a good person. That's why the story gives her a nice closure where her feelings are returned.
We cant keep having the same argument over and over again. We just cant, Im going to just ignore the "he bullied him and he is just trying to redeem himself", tons of ppl already talked about that. I appreciate you wanting to not insult shippers and all of that, but I dont really understand why you send this anyway -you want to understand the perspective some of us have?-.
believe me, most of us knew about the "setup" -many of us have been here since the beginning-. Personally I had no doubts about it becoming canon for years bc "boy and girl and they are cute and this is shonen", expecting more development in the future -however, then their moments started looking more and more platonic, Izuku's feelings became vague in terms of romance and ochako's character was made to match himiko instead of him, making them look like friends with similar goals, but in the end needing to work on their own instead of together. I see his arc, I see her arc, and the conclusion I get isnt "they should date/need to date/deserve to date each other", but that Izuku really appreciates her and Ochako grieves Himiko in unhealthy ways, needing support.
The problem is the main thing this ship has going on is "she helps him a lot", to the point that thats exactly everything Deku has to say about her importance -in the two character charts that mention relationship status, while Ochako's involves romance and denial his is the exact same, "she helps me a lot". That's just not enough to convince most ppl of actually enjoying this pair outside of "its shonen what do you expect", specially considering they took away Ochako's storyline to be the literal same as deku's -they both lost their villains they both dont ask for help they both isolate they both prefer others' happiness over their own, etc. They dont have to be enemies or fight, but they need depth of some short -making them just have the same idea of heroism, not bc of the other but just bc their personalities and their relationships with other characters, doesnt make it profound or interesting. Its not like what Himiko said, about imitating the ones you love, bc they just naturally are like that even before they met each other.
What's that "more" their relationship became? For the most part we see how Ochako struggles to work as a hero when it involves him, and only gets to actually move on her own when her focus shifts onto Himiko instead -she literally says she cant move when Deku was in danger and Sir Nighteye needed to be saved-, and from deku there isnt much -we lose most of his thoughts, but he behavior tell us he has no problem supporting her like with his other friends. In 431 we are told how they dont really talk that much anymore, and how Deku, the oblivious and flustered nerd, tells her she he wants to talk more from now on, and blushes when she falls on him. Then they have a bro hand shake.
How do you want anyone to be actually invested in a main relationship for a story whose main thing going on is "they are kind to each other". Or in real life, im sorry but I do believe its not good to send the message of falling in love with the literal first person that helps you and is nice to you is the way to go -being kind should just be normalized, and I think the end of BNHA agrees with this notion.
I dont understand why ppl believe her feelings needed "closure" (as if she didnt talk about it with Himiko), yet agree that 431 gives her that -she doesnt confess anything. She doesnt go for what she wants and tells him "I love you". She agrees with talking with him more -she didnt confess. I know some ppl believe this is a true confession, but this is nothing like what Himiko showed her before -a literal one, without any doubts, saying her feelings with her whole face. She. thought about wanting to talk to him more, he then told her that, and she said "I was thinking the same!", so how does that give her romantic feelings any closure when theres a huge chance of plausible deniability?
You dont have to share any of these opinions, but I just dont see how the "main pair" is still just "oh yeah they could date", this isnt real life where some ppl like to date copies of themselves or just decide to do so bc they kinda like each other -the narrative has to actually tell us how this not only makes sense, but how it fits both characters' arcs. And giving her all the romance just makes it look one sided.
I dont really need you to answer any of these questions, and I wont discuss the complexities I see in bkdk, their storylines, and how the narrative has treated Katsuki more like Izuku's heart than a rival with some history, I already talked about it -instead, I want you to know something simple about the internet: if you dont like it, block it, even if you dont particularly hate it. Reading the first line of the ask, it comes off as kinda insulting coming here just to explain to me why I "shouldn't be confused" about 431 basically. I know about the "setup", I know about the bullying, I know about her supporting him, and I know about the redemption, you dont have to go and tell me any of this-.
You dont know about my account, my thoughts or the perception I have about any of these ships, I think you probably went into any bkdk account to say this bc idk, you "had" to "clarify" how "great" it was for these characters this, and how bkg just wanted to redeem himself (as if his character hasn't show over and over again how much his focus is on Izuku in general, more than him and any redemption, which is exactly what separates him too from the type of redemption other characters have tried to pull off), but believe me, most of us already know about this arguments and dont agree with them partially or entirely. I still answered just in case, but I wont respond another ask you send -I'll just block, as I dont see why should I "defend" my perspective in my own account. Just enjoy the content you enjoy.
