Don’t say no Ep 1-11; Messy, Complex and Heavily Misunderstood
So yes, I’ve come back after a long pause because of a show that I was even surprised I wasn’t writing about. Since I decided with my blog that I needed time away from how I consumed and perceived media. I needed a break from the fandom and how it seemed like all I talked about was the same repetitive themes of morally grey questions and opinions found in certain genres, mainly boys love. So I took a long pause, kept watch of all the shows airing, and it helped that COVID also caused a drought with most of the media that would make me want to write. But here we are, everything is coming back, and in the meantime, although there was a shortage, BL seemed to never stop. Still, it didn’t feel the same primarily due to poorly produced and frustratingly shallow shows only available, which, if that’s to your liking, crack on, but it isn’t to mine. One show, in particular, that managed to survive the drought was the sequel to the TharnType 7 years the series; Don’t say no (DSN).
An introduction to DSN
And I know what you’re saying, that’s amazing; if you know my history on this blog, you know I was obsessed and very protective of a particular couple in this series; Leo and Fiat. I wrote about them the most on here; I squealed, defended and even managed to predict certain arcs for both characters. So I should have been excited, I should have been writing on here for the past 3 months, but I kept silent. I watched as people who I never thought would watch a Mame show, show up, insult, and berate the show without even giving it a chance. I watched as people started, for some reason, focusing on only certain aspects of this show and saw the rise of the show’s popularity. With quotes like “This is actually healthy, communicative and filled with lots and lots of character development”. I saw people praise the show whilst still close-minded, stayed on their high horse that they could never ever like something that was Mame’s and that there must be a different writer because DSN was actually great for some reason. I found it hilarious; for once, I’m the one cringing and not liking how the show was ( I dislike the directing so much), whilst others felt like they understood and loved the story, fair enough to them.
It’s also funny to see the outrage poured out for episode 11. Everyone being like, of course, it’s terrible it’s Mame, I forgot who the writer is, she’s never good at character development, toxicity is all she cares about, bla bla, bla. And I’m just like, but episode 11 was always going to happen. This was always going to be a conflict that has been set up, foreshadowed and hinted at throughout the whole show, and if you watched the prequel, you even know why this had to happen?
I’m not saying it’s award-winning or excellent writing, but saying inconsistent, stupid, nonsensical is a bit… It just means that you haven’t been watching this show at all, or you have ignored all the warning signs and depth added to this show purposely by a writer who consistently plays with themes like these, making her bls always have dimensionality and complexity embedded in her characters.
So once again, I’m here defending Mame (who I keep repeating I think is a good but flawed writer) and her choices and again explaining why she chooses to do what she does. How she’s not shallow or stupid or whatever people call her writing for no reason, how she puts thoughts into her main characters all the time and her love stories (on tv now, that is) and how she is trying to grow and learn as she keeps on writing BLs.
And so we’re back to Leo and Fiat. Ahh, Leo and Fiat; one of my most loved dynamics in a couple since last year. They’re toxic, messy, immature, and buck load filled with issues and psychological problems to count, and yet I love them because of this complexity because no matter what, their love, like most of Mame’s stories, is unconditional, ‘healing’ and protective. There is no doubt in what they have for each other as love. And even more, this is a bl that is actually really unique, it focuses on these two’s journey after being friends to lovers, it focuses on what happens in the middle of that journey, the fears, the pain, the worries, the frailty of this trope and it uses two incredibly broken people to do this.
It also does the job of making Fiat, someone so detested and misunderstood, finally, have his spotlight, and for people to see that, like with all of Mame’s characters, there’s always more on the surface, a reason for the madness and the pain. It finally exposes Fiat and Leo’s relationship and shows their fears and determination to make it less delicate and long-lasting. From where these two have come from, it makes sense their romance is easily breakable; there are too many cracks needed to be mended in both; psychologically, corporally and emotionally, for this to be sturdy. And so what DSN does is that it slowly unveils these cracks (that were hidden in subtext before) to the surface, it finally exposes Leo and Fiat’s façade, secrets and weaknesses, but it does it step by step. Because Fiat is more hurt and has more demons to slay, he’s at the forefront of this plot like Type was at TharnType. It’s his hurdles we’re exposed to; they’re needed to be defeated for this relationship to truly work; they’re more urgent, so we get reuniting with his family and facing his scars, understanding and knowing he’s not a burden to people. He’s wanted, finally receiving love and also finally being with Leo. It’s mainly focused on him, but Leo, the knight in shining armour, our prince charming essentially. Charming, protective, romantic, and dreamy Leo is also important for this relationship to work, yet he never gets to voice out his demons. They’re slowly littered and solved temporarily, only for it to surge back again, but it never is about his struggles. It’s always about Fiat’s healing.
This is why I laugh when I see people say character development because Leo hasn’t even yet begun his (and that’s a fault of Mame’s writing; she continually exposes that too late, she did the same with Tharn in TharnType season 1), for there to be character development, the flaws and issues have to be exposed to the characters. Still, with Leo, everyone tends to focus only on his mask of strength and perfection on the surface. Because of course, in other to be with Fiat, that’s what’s needed, strength, unconditional support and love, but people forget that courage is also something necessary.
Leo; Strength, Loyalty and?
Courage, since he was first introduced to us, is something that Leo does not have. It’s in his character concept, like yeah, he’ll stand up to Fiat’s father, and that can be seen as courage, but that’s not what I mean. Leo’s flaw and concept are that he feels insecure, inexperienced, and inadequate for his role as Fiat’s person with all the responsibility he has. And this has always been something that paralyses him; it caused him to put Fiat and him in a cage for over 10 years of misunderstandings, miscommunication, and mistakes. And it took Fiat indeed until episode 11 to realise the gravity of what he’s been going through.
Leo was never developed; the only progress he truly made with his scars was to step out and confess his feelings for Fiat since the beginning and don’t get me wrong, he has been helping Fiat through his development because Fiat is the only person who actually grew (even shown with how he reacted to the kiss in episode 11). People need to realise that with Mame, the last few episodes always unveil the truth about the other love interest, that they’re also not okay, they’re also traumatised or affected in their own way, and usually their pain is never taken seriously because in society it doesn’t look like big of a problem as what their partner is going through.
Leo is a coward, and it’s something that Leon finally called him out for at the end of episode 11. He truly takes on the burden and responsibility on his shoulders because it’s what makes him feel strong and makes him feel good about himself, but in reality, it’s too much on him, and when he’s left to his thoughts (as shown with his nightmares about Fiat’s fickleness) he breaks. And the reason is that mentally, he does not think he’s good enough or worthy enough to be in the position he has. It’s why Mame chose to make this plot happen towards the end. It’s not that she loves regression but that her characters aren’t fully yet grown or healed or ready to be together until all their issues are on the surface.
Mame; Toxic, Complex and?
I agree the way she writes them is imbalanced and toxic, but I was never one to shun toxicity in stories, as you know because they introduce complexity and unique storylines; just because something is on tv does not mean it always has to be healthy or idealised. Mame’s flaw is because she thinks love can heal all cruelties. That’s the basis of all her stories, that love can mend it all. She adds psychological depths to her characters to make them interesting and not just a hero or a villain. This is dimensionality, and it’s a great way to create concepts for stories. Her issue is because she’s not fully educated about the psychological aspects of her writing; she comes off like she sees it as a shallow thing and that love solves everything. As long as you have a good love story, it’ll make you want to change and improve and heal.
I get that issue; I also hate that she uses drugging and other immoral acts to cause conflict, but firstly, she’s not the only writer who does this; it’s not just bl that does this; this is misused in other stories for a plot. I guess to her, it’s the only way to make the characters go through drastic measures needed to make them stop pretending, and it unveils their weaknesses and flaws or is connected to their past mistakes and trauma that hasn’t yet been dealt with properly.
For example, Fiat is always a victim because DSN is like a tick list of all the karma/issues he caused coming back to get him. It basically educates and forces him to see how his actions affected others and how much pain and hate he had for himself that was unjust. So, unfortunately, because he doesn’t know what Leo is going through or what Leo’s most significant pain is, he had to see him kiss a girl. And this has always been something that was associated with their story and character arc. Fiat’s promiscuity is one of the challenges that caused both he and Leo to be stuck in that 10-year cage they were in previously, and it’s something that wasn’t solved when they got into a romantic relationship.
Fiat; Confident, Loved and?
Fiat knows this; it’s why he hid his urges because he knew that there was a fragility to that aspect of their relationship. After all, Leo struggled with that. It’s why he changes in the show and why you slowly, as he heals, see that bratty, whiny yet confident and sexual version of him appear again. As much as I hate the being roofied thing, it’s an uncomfortable way to make Leo see Fiat once again (since Fiat is now grown and matured) in that regressed state he used to be in the past, drunk and with a conquest. There had to be a way to make him act in a manner that wasn’t him anymore, and it had to be King because King is connected to Leo’s biggest fears and insecurities about himself which is hinted at throughout the whole show. It was used to parallel the past with Leo and Fiat; Fiat to test Leo would always call him to see him drunk and be with another conquest; King knew this and used it. Is it the best way to write this? No, but Mame is toxic, and she doesn’t hide that she is writing a toxic story. When she puts out concepts and character arcs, she stays consistent; in my opinion, this whole show truly explained and brought Fiat the understanding he failed to get in the prequel, but it also brought its own plot twists to show how both Leo and Fiat aren’t aware of everything, it showed how they would end up falling for this trap because they’re still fragile, ignorant about certain aspects of their scars and still have cracks.
And whilst I hate the cheating and possessive trope, it makes sense that Fiat did trust Leo (a sign of his growth and change) about kissing the girl, but he actually was just in so much pain about it. The reason he had to be this way is that he did this to Leo over and over again. And it’s something that wasn’t adequately solved. For Fiat, it’s not that they’re regressing in communication but that he’s still processing something he’s never thought he had to deal with. With everything that’s already happened to them because of him, he was afraid of this, causing a crack to their fragile relationship as it was finally strong.
When he realised this is probably what Leo has had to deal with for 10 years especially seeing how Leo snaps, he chooses to make them go back to friends because he doesn’t want Leo hurting that way again.
He couldn’t even deal with the pain with trust and just kissing; what about Leo, who he tested continuously with sleeping with people. His regression is consistent because it’s the same reason he let Leo keep their relationship friendly for 10 years; he believed making it romantic would ruin them. He’d hurt Leo because, at that time, he thought he was a monster, unlovable etc. It’s always been his biggest fear, breaking Leo. It’s always been their concept, and it makes sense that that’s what he’ll do because Fiat has always been on edge about how fragile their romance was since the beginning of the show.
That’s the show’s whole theme: that fear of being friends to lovers because of their past and their psychological traumas and hurt.
DSN; Messy, Complex and?
I honestly could write a more extended essay and have evidence and proof and more, but I feel frustrated by the fact that people are refusing to get why this plot was written. It’s not the best choice of writing, but it’s not nonsensical or surprising either. It’s only Fiat that has the growth and the opportunity. In episode 11, his regression was also progression, in my opinion, because he dealt with everything maturely and ended things first. Always putting Leo first has always been his priority, it shows his growth, in my opinion, whilst with Leo, he’s never had that emotional support or help.
The show has just been showing how many things he’s had to deal with, how alone he feels when Fiat isn’t there (from like childhood because his parents aren’t there), how much responsibility he’s had to shoulder and bear and then the whole past with King and his insecurities as a leader and romantic interest to Fiat. It’s something that’s plagued him for years on his own. He has no emotional support from anyone focused on him, not Fiat and him, so he was never growing. He was just always trying to be something everyone wanted him to be, and so his regression makes sense; his arc makes sense because he always deals with things on his own. I think writing-wise, it just sucks it wasn’t dealt with before Fiat’s mother’s drama; I would have put this whole King drama before that and truly made Fiat’s mum the last villain and problem they have to deal with. That way, people won’t feel too flabbergasted by the regression when it seems that they finally both had grown and were happy and loved.
At the end of the day, I’m not going to say that DSN is a masterpiece because it’s not, I actually don’t enjoy it the way people do, but I will defend things about it because it’s one of the only BLs out now that has depth, complexity, conversations and uniqueness to it, it’s not afraid to be messy, and it also showcases a very romantic connection that most BLs fail to show. Its plot is structured, planned, and mostly thought out; there’s an effort in telling these two’s story and making them feel natural and not just one dimensional. Once again, with this writer, we have a polarising show because no matter how much people want to hate what she produces, certain aspects of how she writes make you also care deeply and like what she has if you’re honest with yourself. Episode 11 of Don’t say no makes sense, not the best plot twist or obstacle, but it makes sense; it was shown throughout the show, it was hinted at, and it was consistent with the dynamics presented in this show. That’s all.














