Adrien's "Clue Collection" To Figure Things Out On His Own from Every Episode of S6, Interesting Observations From "Lady Chaos" and Possible Identity Reveals Coming Soon? (Season 6 Synopsis)
Okay I need to get this out before 'Heartfixer' cuz I feel like that's gonna be a big turning point for him and possibly where they reveal wether or not these observations are correct (unless it's in the finale, which Is also possible, ep 20 is too early and things are still hidden in ep 22, betting on the finale)
I'M GONNA REWRITE/EDIT/UPDATE WITH NEW STUFF OFTEN and I'll Continue To EDIT It Whenever I Notice Something Else and When New Episodes Come Out!! Come Check This Post Every Now And Then!⚠️ [If it's a reblog you're reading, it could be outdated, so open my og post instead!]
I'm even expecting either s7 to be a reverse s6 that shows us what Adrien's truly been up to this season or have a single episode that covers them all like "Intuition" in s5, cuz I think he's been doing stuff we haven't seen yet (or like "Destruction" where Mari explained her treasure hunt). Same with Lila/Crysalis, I belive there's gonna be at least an episode revealing what her and Adrien have been doing all this time, that we weren't shown yet). Or it could be those famous 2-parter episodes that are gonna open s7 and "will make us want to rewarch s6" as it was said...
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HINTS THAT HE SUSPECTS MARI IS LB OR THAT THEY'RE SOMEHOW RELATED and/or BOTH KNOW SOMETHING HE DOESN'T:
Collection of things I or other people noticed while watching the episodes as they came out... Some are a bit of a reach, but the thing is that ALL of them are tiny details he may or may not notice at some point.. (mostly the first half of the season, then they start becoming a lil more evident in some late eps)
Especially since Marinette herself has been dropping hints of her identity the whole season, he might catch and put together once he's collected enough clues and they pile up enough! Before they started dating he might've had trouble noticing some of these things, but now that they're glued to eachother 24/7....👀
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Episodes where he only Subconciously 'knew', but hasn't made the connection yet (cuz the hints are so little he can easily think of them as a coincidence, or little things he might do on instinct, without thinking). He doesn't yet know what the Secret might be about (?). He's focusing on himself and starting his new life:
-Climatiqueen (ep1): The face he makes when Marinette leaves him alone with Aglae to go "rescue her stuff before it gets hit by lightning", he picks LB up like that even if it's unnecessary when she slips on the ice, he talks about his passions as ChatNoir even if LB doesn't know what's he talking about (could simply be cuz he's excited he realized it in that moment, but I'm still adding just in case);
-The Illustrhater (ep2): He notices Marinette is stressed and, when she randomly disappears all the time, Ladybug appears instead, who behaves and acts unexplicably stressed just like Marinette 2 seconds earlier with similar mannerisms (which he's grown to know about Mari for a while), the face he makes after she's done 'helping' Polymouse get the ball for the kid, the small talk questions he asks LB while she's picking the trashcans (he asks how's the "Love department" going mostly). Maya gives LB a drawing he might find at some point.
-Sublimation (ep3): He knew Marinette had been following Sublime around (he knows her antics so well and he was chill about it), unexplicably not long after, her mother gets akumatized because Ladubug caused an accident (only at the end when she does the MiraculousLB he saw what it was) and Sublime said it wasn't Marinette's fault as she only wanted to be her friend (CN was listening to this)
-Daddycop (ep4): nothing here I think🤔
-Werepapas(ep5): I think this episode has a hint for his search of the truth about his father, cuz of what his grandparents were saying.. Everyone panicking about the rings getting lost to the point they start yelling and insulting eachother (part 1, next time in ep13). He was a bit reluctant to say he wanted to stay with Nathalie at first. He was trapped in the trophy during the battle, but he could see what was happening outside, he might've seen LB hesistate for a while and look towards him before she broke the rings. [I think we'll see what happened to him inside the trophy at one point. I'm betting on: LB cracks the rings, he feels a striking pain to his chest that makes his knees weak and he falls to the ground, as he tries to get up, the Miraculous powers restores him, the trophy disappears and we see him mid-getting up in the shot LB saw] -> Speaking of, in 'Representation' Felix said he realized his connection to the ring only when his father cracked it by punching the wall and he fell to the ground... What if Adrien realized/will realize a possible connection to the Twin Rings when LB cracked them while he was in the Trophy and this is why we didn't see what happened to him yet?!?
-Sleeping Syren (ep6): He calls LB Bugaboo, she has unexplained sudden beef with Kim/KingMonkey he asks about;
-El Toro De Piedra (ep7): He sees Marinette holding his photo album upside down, later he finds her suspiciously talking to Nathalie in his father's office with the lights off about a letter he does see and point out (he might recognize it later if he sees it again), we don't know how long he's been standing behind the door. She ditches the concert when the akuma attack happens. Ivan reminds him:"your father was a hero-" and Adrien looks down with a sad face (but we know this bothers him in other eps too).
-Vampigami (ep8): He notices LB was shaking of fear while they were fighting, she was denying to be scared just like Mari was doing earlier about the horror show, he calls her Bugaboo again. "The only thing that would disappoint me is if you feel you can't be honest with me and force yourself to do something just to please me". Marinette says she's going out not to leave Rose alone, but when he transforms and breaks everyone free he meets Rose but Mari isn't with her.
AFTER THIS POINT THERE'S HINTS THAT ADRIEN MAY HAVE STARTED SUSPECTING MARI & LB BOTH -still 2 different people- KNOW STUFF HE DOESN'T AND THAT MAYBE THE SECRET IS ABOUT HIS FATHER (?) (he's unsure):
-Mister Agreste (ep9): At the start of the episode he reveals that he feels like LB isn't telling him everything about the final battle against Monarch, Marinette is jumbling her words again, she suddently starts praising Gabriel anxiously, she tells him "there's nothing you could've done" that are the same words BugNoire told him in the London Special when she came to free him, he answers "how would you know, you weren't there!", she's about to say something but she looks behind him and she does a worried face and stops her words, Nathalie is there. When they get home Mari shouts at the door "I can't do this anymore!! We have to tell Adrien the truth!", he definitely sees angered Nathalie dragging Mari outside as we see him standing on top of the stairs when they come back (he was waiting?), when Nathalie tells him it was about the scooter keys he just nods and leaves...
-Dark Castle (ep10): Marinette was suddently contageously ill she couldn't come to the party right when Alix gave the Rabbit Miraculous to someone else to guard time for her and the next day she was probably fine (+ her parents thought she did go to the picnic-> mismatching information if he does ask them about it. Their line was repeated twice between the last scene and the post-credit), Bunnybug's almost-kiss he seemed not to notice (we don't know where his eyes were looking at cut his face was cut and if time was paused or not), she refuses to disturb the Miraculers at Alix's party, we also don't know what Bunnynette did in the burrow. There's some hints that she did change something afterwards we don't know yet (as I said in other posts, I'm expecting a "Intuition-type" episode that shows what we haven't seen here or what I said at the beginning of this post). Adrien and Aglae are missing from the Endcard and there's Bunnybug depicted as "jumping out of the Burrow", when she never left (could just be aesthetic, but why are both Aglae and Adrien gone?)
-Revelator (ep11): In the opening we see he trains the other heroes level up their powers (so he probably knows everyone's ID now, I feel like this is imporant, cuz before he only knew some of them, but now he sees it's litterally all his friends, especially Alya, whose ID he learned in s4). Rena getting insanely mad at LB after she looked in the orb, he initally thought the sphere revealed her identity, but after seeing how pissed she was he probably understood it had to be something else, cuz why would Alya be mad discovering LB's identity? He, in fact, says:"You lied to me too?"
-WrecklessDriver (ep12): Marinette makes an excuse to go chase after the akuma with a bike, he stares at her leave, confused, and goes hiding, Plagg says:"Don't tell me, you wanna play Chat Noir and go rescue your girlfriend, don't you?" Adrien answers: "Precisely!!" and he does go down the street looking for her from the rooftops, but she's nowhere to be found (we have two scenes of him running and looking around), until LB calls him, he takes one last look and only now he spots the car sprinting by (he wasn't following it, he saw it by chance and he was ahead of LB!!), he rescues the civilian who just got caught (distracting him from his search of Mari) and finally reaches LB when the rest of the team had already arrived (he was late even if he transformed before them). His fear of revealing his identity detected by the akuma seems unusual for him (could be a reference to the ending of 'Representation' where he was about to reveal to Mari but his nightmares stopped him) it seemed like he was scared to reveal to LB specifically, cuz he didn't look like he was going to tell it to the villain herself, as he only started yapping when LB arrived (is he scared of what she would think of him? If she would change her view of him? Be treated differently? Being Gabriel's son?). He tells the therapist:"There's something strange about my father." (This scene connects directly to 'LadyChaos's opening, meaning it could be set in the same day! -just the endscene, not necessarily the whole ep-)
⬆️In these episodes he questions her excuses to go transform, he tries to convince her to stay somehow and makes excuses himself to go transform too.
⬇️In these episodes he doesn't question her excuses to transform anymore, on the contrary, he lets her go pretty fast and doesn't go look for her even when she litterally says she's gonna chase after the akuma.
AT THIS POINT MAYBE HE CONCIOUSLY SUSPECTS MARINETTE MIGHT BE LADYBUG AND HE INVESTIGATES (when possible)? He tries to get more proof about it by paying attention when she leaves(?):
-Yaksi Gozen (ep13): Felix and Kagami are in Marinette's room (whom he knows both are holders), why was she hiding behind them? Why are they looking for some random rings so anxiously, panicking, making excuses that don't exactly match? To the point they yell at him? (part2, first time in ep5). When Yaksi Gozen arrives he doesn't seem worried that his GF stayed behind while everyone else ran away from the paralyzing laser of the akuma. Adrien transforms as soon as Kagami runs outside and closes the door, but he disappears for a bunch of scenes (after both Kagami and Marinette had transformed and the battle has already begun, even if he was behind the door last time we saw him). He then appears out of nowhere, unclear from where exactly (Mari's house was cut in half and she transformed in her open room, behind the divider btw)
-Grendiaper (ep14): He called her Bugaboo again!!
-The Ruler (ep15): Maybe nothing, as he doesn't get to see LB has a cold cuz he gets mind controlled by the Ruler pretty early. He might've seen she came from the school after Mari left but mehh, no evidence I remeber rn. (Where was he before showing up outta nowhere, btw??)
-Noe (ep16): Marinette was talking about her secret out loud to Tikki when he got up to get Icecream (in the beach scene), she seems to take at heart and very seriously the new movie's script (just as much as him), when in other seasons she often tried to make it look like she didn't care about the superheroes that much (esp Ladybug). She fakes her foot being hurt to be left alone, he leaves pretty fast nonetheless. She says out loud:"I hate lying to Adrien" and transforms immediately after he left (did he hear her??). We see him calmly walking in the street afterwards, he didn't run off quickly once he got down the stairs (did he stop behind the door??). During the fight with the Mime he says "Seeing you tends to make me speechless M'lady" (it's not that deep but it's a bit flirty lol). In the endscene when they both go back at Mylene's house, Mari is standing up and walking perfectly fine, even if her leg was 'hurt' earlier, he looks at her walking away when she goes get a glass of water in the kitchen. [Unrelated, but as proof our boy pays attention to details, he recognizes immediately Noe's Logo on the script after seeing it earlier on the contract]
-AFairyGoodNight (ep17): Ladybug didn't wanna call Pegasus into battle because she didn't wanna wake him up or whatever. Adrien knows Max is Pegasus and he knows he's staying at Marinette's.. Ladybug wouldn't know, so why is she worrying about waking him up all of a sudden?
-The Dirtifiers (ep18): Nothing here I think? Adrien wasn't in the ep. But the Ladynoir was Ladynoir-ing more than usual! They were so in sync!! (Kinda like how they're gonna be in ep21 when they'll swap Miraculous?👀) [Side Note: the questions Kagami asked in the fight scene with scene Tomoe are something I'm expecting Adrien to ask himself once he discovers about his origins!]
-Riginarazione (ep19): Marinette says she wants to follow her grandparents to see where they're going (Akumatized!!!) and Adrien is like: Oh yeah, sure dw about it, go!!!🥰("Okay, be careful, Marinette! >:)" ) And takes his sweet time to go transform afterwards (Sabine didn't need him to be there to put TinyTom in the baby box, once the villain left) by saying "I should go see if Marinette needs any help" (Marinette.. LADYBUG! he doesn't go look for his GF this episode either!) Also, judging by the joke he made when he turned back normal after the MiraculousLadybug, it seems he remembers his time as a baby (so does Mari, maybe he didn't have full control of himself, but I'm mentioning it cuz he took off her earrings lol).
IN THESE EPISODES HE GETS CONFIRMATION MARINETTE KNOWS A/THE SECRET (?) (& extra proof she could be LB?):
-Heartfixer (ep20): He does see the letter again and Marinette avoids the topic when he asks; He 'forgives but doesn't forget' as he mentioned Nino's crush on Mari from s1 during his crashout. He knows she's hiding something she's really worried about telling him (something that isn't her cheating with Nino at least lol) and he knows it's written in that letter, because when he asked at the end of the ep she confirmed it does have to do with what she's hiding. They now both know she might get akumatized again if they breakup.. Instead WE know he's willing to reveal his identity to protect/save her! The way she moved swinging that Purse as Heartfixer might remind him of LB if he thinks back at it (but she isn't the only akuma who does it, like Sublimation swinged her medal like that, so idk)... I realized that at the start of the episode they mention how in 'Grendiaper' he sees the message the bullies wrote and he didn't doubt her one second, but this time, in contrast, a Secret was involved and he immediately got nervous, he stopped thinking rationally not even 2 seconds after seeing them together the first time! (almost as if he thought he finally discovered what she's been hiding lately👁). LB hides the letter in the YoYo, but there's very ominous music playing (foreshadowing?)
-TheChainedTitans (ep21): We see Adrien's amazing acting skills when he gets the phone call from Alya and he tells her he's scared of being a superhero, he's very proud of his performance too. When Nino comes in, he looks so surprised as if he wasn't warned beforeheand at all. Even if he and Mari acted like inexperienced heroes he will probably keep this experience in mind (they were also so in-tune that they finished eachother's sentences and communicated their strategy with their eyes, they've been doing this job for ages. Plus they both could use their powers multiple times and not detransform after 5 minutes even if they're "new heroes"). When he meets with LB later he says "A mission last night, another this morning. We've become inseparable, Milady!" (Possibly irrelevant, but they were together 2 seconds earlier lol) At the end of the episode LB tells him he can have a stand-in and he answers he doesn't want to burden anyone with it (Is he acting here too? Or is there's something deeper he's hiding? He never saw it as a burden before s6, in 'Climatiqueen' he even said he loves being CN, cuz he feels the most like himself and now it became a burden?! We know he's been worried about his powers since he accidentally killed Uncanny and hurt Monarch, plus in 'Wreckless Driver' we learn he also has fear of revealing his ID... What do you know, Adriennnn!!)
IN THESE EPISODES HE FIGURES OUT SHE'S (likely) LADYBUG?! ALSO HE GETS CONFIRMATION THE SECRET IS ABOUT HIS FATHER (?) (I'm unsure to which extent):
-Lady Chaos (ep22): We discover he was the one who destroyed the Alliance statue (pre-s6 flashback), so he's been cultivating this anger since before the season even started. Imma write a separate paragraph below about the rest of this one, since it has to be analyzed a bit!
-Sadnansi (ep23): Adrien insistently asks for the Gabe portait and Marinette makes up excuses while getting increasingly nervous "It's so wonderful that the person I love the most can recreate the image of the Secret Hero my father really was!" (Adrien, if u actually know what you're saying & to who, ur a lil sh*t, I adore you). He sees Ladybug very distracted and upset during the whole fight and then crying once she told the Nora about secrets being difficult to tell. Later, Marinette is crying when she comes at his house claiming she has to tell him something important. He seems pretty 'calm' for someone who's seeing his GF show up outta nowhere in the late evenining, with a distraught face like that... (Could be just me, but- Was he expecting her to show up eventually?)
-QueenOfTheDreadzone(ep24): Nothing?There wasn't much Adrien screentime, but Ladynoir were so sweet and supportive the whole episode!🥺
-Secret Protocol (ep25): not released yet
-Nemesis (ep26): not released yet
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HINTS IN LADY CHAOS
For starters, we shall suspect Marinette's Monologue, because while we could say Adrien might've not followed her since he was with Nino in his room and that was the first time she left to warn the interviewed person, we don't know if they did hear any of it from behind the door (but it doesn't seem like it tbh, at least Nino seems normal the rest of the episode, if he had heard it he probably wouldn't have stayed so calm, that's a pretty huge confession so the ep would've gone completely different)
Now to more possibly relevant details:
Someone noticed that "Ladybug" (fake one) called Nino to battle when she isn't supposed to know Mari and Adrien are aware of his secret identity... Why is this relevant? Well let me break it down for ya:
It's a tiny thing they split in 3 parts:
-Marinette gestures towards Nino so Alya would call him to leave for the fight;
-Alya says "Oh right, Nino" and she makes the Ladybug illusion call him "Carapace"
-Alya and Marinette meet on the rooftop and she asks if she did a good job at making Nino leave them alone.
So much emphasis on this little detail, it seems to be pointing out that this is something the viewer should keep in mind... This might be a tiny slip-up detail on Alya's part that might help Adrien figure out this was an illusion at some point, especially if we combine it with... This shot!⬇️
In the scene when Adrien transforms to go fight Lady Chaos, after Marinette leaves his room, there's this shot of him pausing the video in his phone and telling Plagg "The Editing will have to wait".
I did notice the angle is weird, the scene is suspiciously long and it's interesting he was messing with his phone for so long even if he was in a hurry (with two whole scenes in between), but I initially didn't rewind to see what was up with it until I read a comment about it, so I checked it out myself...
It's interesting that, before we finally get this scene of Adrien, we get Mari's transforming first, then they put the scene of LB and Rena talking on the rooftop and only at this point they finally cut back to Adrien pausing the video on the phone. This shot didn't need to exist if it wasn't important.
The phone was still recording and it's pointing at the roof Rena Rouge was hiding behind! Earlier in the scene, Rena exposed herself to look at Lady Chaos approaching when she heard a noise, so it's possible that he's going to rewatch the video once he's alone and see Rena peaking out from behind the chimney because of this!😮
I also saw someone belive the questions he asked during the interviews were a bit suspicious... It's possible he was less interested in the interviewed person's answer and more on their reaction, maybe Marinette's too... (esp cuz he already knew some of the stuff they said as most of it is, more or less, what LB told everyone in the London Special in interviews and Mari barely let anyone speak at all)
To me, the fact Adrien was 100% unbothered (unlike Nino who, in contrast, gets annoyed) when she kept interrupting all the interviewed people, especially Amelie, even if she kept twisting her words and finishing her sentences the entire time, could be a clue he's been collecting hints for real... Bro has all their face expressions and words caught on camera, he can look at them as much as he wants. Let's interview Ladybug now!!🥰
M:"Come on, not Ladybug!😩"
A:"Why not?👀"
[Mari says they don't have a way to contact her]
A:"You're right...😔" *gives up* (knowing very well both he and Nino do have a way, in fact Nino does offer to call her himself) "You'd do that?! Thanks, Nino!🥰"
Also, at the end of the episode he asks Marinette to draw a portrait of Gabriel (which we saw in 'Sadnansi'), VERY interesting quest you got there for her, all of a sudden, after seeing her act like that the whole day, Adrien.👁👁
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"SEARCH FOR CLUES" WHAT'S TO COME?
With all these clues combined, he might've noticed she's been acting way too weird whenever his father is mentioned (since 'Mister Agreste' at least) and that Ladybug is doing the same, with similar mannerisms too. Once he discovers the Truth later (and possibly LB's ID?) or it's revealed that he's finally puzzling all the pieces together (betting on after he starts editing the documentary's recordings), these might be the hints he's been secretly collecting for a while👀
There's been hints all season, as I listed above, but DEFINITELY in the Finale something will change, Timeline Reset or Not, especially if he uses the Miraculous ChatNoir to erase memories (so far it seems the cat holder is almost completely immune to his own attacks, from what I could tell with ChatBlanc and ClawNoir), it's possible he's going to be forced to erase everyone's memories to prevent Crysalis from discovering something.
We can't really be sure he's actually doing this and it isn't just me overthinking stuff.. (tbh, this mindset of mine has had me predict, multiple times, entire scenes this season before they got released, so maybe overthinking is the way🔥)
I think he may have noticed that his father is the reason Marinette and Ladybug get upset lately. At the point of 'LadyChaos' he might've figured this part out and that's why he's making a documentary; the way the interviews went might've confirmed his suspicions (he doesn't know what it is but he knows it's gotta be about Gabriel?).
However, What if in 'LadyChaos' the interviews did make him more suspicious, but at the same time he also gave up? (possibly when he interviewed "Ladybug" and she told him his father loved him) Considering his room's wall became completely white in 'Sadnansi', maybe he really hasn't noticed Rena in the Recordings yet or he saw her, but he hasn't figured out she was there because LB was an illusion and he might've thought they were on patrol together instead? Could this have thrown him off Mari's ID tracks too last-minute..? According to my observations he may still suspect Mari knows the Secret, so he wanted to prove that one at least? The Portrait being his last attempt? They're definitely cooking something for the Finale, that's when stuff's gonna happen!!🤔
He's testing his theories.. Bro is plotting, bro is scheming, bro is observing people, bro is yearning for the truth!! (Or maybe he's just a silly lil guy who trusts his beloved ladies blindly, as usual :3)
Btw can't wait for a possible flashback scene of Adrien throwing his old orange shoes (with the butterfly logo) in the trashcan in a future episode, fr, I feel like that's gonna be another hint to what he actually knows/suspects already!!
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EDIT (After "Sadnansi" & "TheChainedTitans")
DO Y'ALL SEE WHAT I'M SEEING?!?
THERE'S NO WAY HE ISN'T TEASING HER!
Look at this scene from "TheChainedTitans", BRO IS SO GOOD AT ACTING AND PRETENDING TO BE CLUELESS. Nobody would ever suspect a thing.
He's been doing this for ages!!
He's a master at acting, so much nobody ever (unironically) suspected his secret identity on both fronts (except Gabriel in "Gorizilla" and in the alt timelines), nobody ever questioned his excuses to go transform, nobody knows he's litterally hiding half of his personality, nobody knew he hated modeling, nobody knows he's been fake-smiling in public since season 1.
He has done it before when he knew Marinette liked him and he teased her about it a bunch of times to see her reaction, in s2-3 (before he decided to do nothing about it, cuz he loved LB and picked Kagami as rebound, not to risk his precious friendship with Mari)
He has done it in the 'ChatBlanc' timeline when he didn't tell Mari he knew her identity since even before they started dating (they had been a couple for a Year and she had no idea until the day he transformed to cataclysm the akuma!!)
He has done it before when he knew Felix put cheese under his pillow and pretended he wasn't aware of it cuz he knows how his cousin is.
He has done it before when he was being nice to Lila, pretending he didn't know she's a manipulative liar.
...And he never does anything about it, he always waits for the person to out themselves on their own, over time, due to the consequences of their actions (unless things go too far, ex: when he threatened Lila in "Ladybug"s3 cuz she got Mari expelled; when he roasted Felix in his debut cuz he got his friends akumatized & almost kissed LB and when he yelled at him in "Emotion"). Do you remember what he said in "Chameleon", s3 about Lila when Mari was gonna out her?
A:"Are you gonna tell everyone? [...] She's a liar. I know. But do you really think exposing her will make things better? If you humiliate her she'll just be hurt more. Making a bad guy suffer never turned them into a good guy."
M:"So are we just gonna stand-by and let her lie?"
A:"As long as you and I know the truth, does it really matter?"
This is how he thinks: he believes exposing somebody who does bad things will hurt them more than letting them realize on their own that what they're doing is wrong. Because this realization, if it happens, will make them understand their mistakes and grow from them. Maybe he wants to do the same with Maribug. He knows she's a good person, so it's possible he wants her to realize what she's doing, so he's limiting himself to teasing her with stuff like that line from 'Sadnansi', the Gabriel Portrait and the interview to Ladybug in 'LadyChaos'! (And not only because he's unsure!)
Him acting clueless when he's told the Alliance Statue was destroyed: [Pic Link]
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CALLING IT NOW (before the last 3 episodes are released). I think he might know:
-The Secret IS about the final battle. He litterally knows this, we know he does as well, he even said it in "Mister Agreste" (LB kinda implied it in the London Special's Endscene, then he had more proof throghout this season)
-The Secret is about his father. He might've figured it out over the course of the episodes and he may be pretty confident about it, he's putting his focus on his father because he needs to understand what it is about, the single puzzle piece he's missing (interviews in 'Lady Chaos', his own experience, therapy, how LB and Mari act when he's mentioned).
-Marinette may know what LB's Secret is. He's suspecting it, so he's been testing Mari in the last few episodes to see if he's right, by involving her in stuff about his father ('MisterAgreste' he made the connection?, 'Heartfixer' he confirmed she's keeping a secret, 'LadyChaos' he checked what's up with her behaviour during interviews? 'Sadnansi' he was trying to see if she would manage making the portrait? As final test?)
-Marinette might be Ladybug. Connecting the other points together and also his previous guesses from older seasons. I think he's unsure about this, cuz there's evidence against it being true (ex: interview in "LadyChaos"... but he got the recording of the rooftop, so it all depends on if he checked the videos already before/after "Sadnansi"). It probably still makes sense to him, considering all the lil details he might be noticing about the two girls. He just lets both LB and Mari be, to see if they actually drop clues of them being the same person for real or not.
-He might be connected to the Rings. This one is super uncertain, it all depends on what happened to him inside the trophy in "Werepapas", cuz if he did fall to the ground like Felix in his backstory in "Representation" and then he connects everyone obsessing over those rings (his grandparents in ep4 and Mari, Felix & Kagami in "YaksiGozen") he might actually suspect something's up with himself & the rings.
It's gonna be funny if it turns out he suspects none of these things lolol
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IDENTITY REVEALS: SEASON SYNOPSIS
Here's an interesting thing about season 6's synopsis, I'll compare it with the other season's (if I found them in the right spot?, correct me if these aren't the seasons synopsis lol), be patient and hear me out..
S1 SYNOPSIS:
"Marinette and Adrien, two Parisian high school students, receive Miraculouses that grant them unique powers to protect the city. Disguised as Ladybug and Cat Noir, they join forces to stop Papillon, who seeks to steal their Miraculouses and spread chaos."
S2 SYNOPSIS:
"At school, a new student named Kagami catches Adrien’s attention, which Marinette is quick to notice. However, Marinette herself meets Luka, who may well sow confusion in her heart… She also meets the Guardian of the Miraculous, Master Fu, and learns about the existence of other Miraculous. Thanks to them, she will be able to occasionally enlist the help of other superheroes of her choice for particularly difficult missions. Finally, she finds out that Hawk Moth has a dreadful plan that he has been working on for a very long time and that he is determined to implement to defeat Cat Noir and her! How will Marinette and Adrien deal with all these new emotions? And will Ladybug and Cat Noir manage to stop Hawk Moth from going through with his evil plan?"
S3 SYNOPSIS:
"Over time, Marinette and Adrien eventually became close friends. But Marinette learns that it is not any necessarily easier to declare your love to a friend, especially with Kagami becoming ever more present in Adrien’s life. And on top of that, Lila is back at school, still lying through her teeth, and she finds out that Marinette knows the truth about her. Lila decides to get rid of her, at any cost! Added to this already hectic daily life are increasingly dangerous adventures. Sure, our superheroes have new powers and teammates to help them, but Hawk Moth is stronger too. He can call on Mayura, a new villain who gives akumatized people allies. Will Marinette and Adrien manage to keep their private lives from influencing their superhero adventures?"
S4 SYNOPSIS:
"Not only is Marinette Ladybug, the superheroine that protects Paris from the attack of villains, but she’s also now the guardian of the Miraculous. This means that not only does she need to keep her identity hidden, but also the existence of these turbulent, magical creatures, the Kwamis! Marinette has a lot of pressure, not to mention her school and love life! Now she has less time and opportunities to tell Adrien her feelings..."
S5 SYNOPSIS:
[Ep 1-9]
"Ladybug has lost the Miracle Box and its kwamis. She no longer has possession except her Miraculous and Cat Noir with his. Shadow Moth, who now calls himself Monarch, has never been so close to victory. He can now give his akumatized victims Miraculous powers and create super ultra-powerful villains. But, again as a duo, our heroes will be more united than they ever were. On the heart side, it's the waltz of feelings! Marinette, who lost the Miracle Box because of her love for Adrien, decides to turn away from him and begins to take an interest in Cat Noir. At the same time, the latter doesn't feel the same interest in Ladybug because Adrien now recognizes his romantic attraction for Marinette. Will Adrien and Marinette finally succeed in declaring their love?"
[Ep 10-26]
"The end of the year is approaching and Marinette, the class representative, is mobilized to communicate to the class council the students' orientation wishes. But she'll have to face up to Chloé and Lila, who want to take her place and discredit her. Distraught by Gabriel Agreste's cold attitude towards her, she plucks up the courage to have a heart-to-heart talk with the father of the boy she's in love with... Will she manage to be accepted by Gabriel Agreste? Will Marinette and Adrien finally be able to love each other freely? On the danger side, Monarch's days are numbered since Cat Noir cataclysmed him. He devises the ultimate plan to finally seize the Ladybug and Black Cat Miraculouses and make his wish come true. Will Ladybug and Cat Noir be able to repel his attacks?"
And Finally: SEASON 6 SYNOPSIS
"Ladybug and Cat Noir must face a new enemy – mysterious, worrying, elusive, and yet close to them. Very close, but they have no idea. Marinette and Adrien too have never been so close to each other, but that does not necessarily make their everyday life a bed of roses, for they keep secrets from each other. The biggest secret being that they still do not know that they are Ladybug and Cat Noir. In a new and exemplary green Paris, in the heart of a new and revolutionary school, our heroes are about to experience a school year full of emotions and revelations."
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As you can see (if I did my research right), no synopsis has ever pointed out that they STILL don't know eachother's identities. Yes, they have mentioned the double lives weighing on them and how they're going to have to learn to manage the two identities (which we've actually seen happen in the episodes), but this time it's presented as an obstacle between them and their relationship, while before it was more of a personal-growth thing or an obligation. Here it's in a sentence on it's own, they don't even mention the Lie about Monarch which seems to be the main plotline of the season, as we've seen so far.
Why is this "The Biggest Secret" when it's not a huge problem between Ladynoir anymore and Adrienette is way more burdened by the Lie instead? It's been 10 years, do we need a reminder that they still don't know? They wouldn't have written it if it wasn't important, to the point they didn't mention the Monarch Lie at all, very interesting👀
Also, this is what Astruc said last time he was asked if there's gonna be an identity reveal that isn't reversed at the end of the episode is:"I'm not authorized to say"...that's suspicious too..💫 (Link)
Another thing he said is that once s7 comes out, we're gonna want to rewatch s6 to notice hidden things in the episodes... What hidden things..? Only finding where Crysalis/Lila is hiding in the episodes? Or the Lie & Identity Clues they've been scattering around everywhere for Adrien to find? Both?!
This ties back to what I said at the start about s7 (or some eps of it) possibly being a parallel to s6, showing things from Adrien and Crysalis's POV instead of Mari's and resolving the Lie Plotline that might get out in World during the s6 Finale🤔 [What if this season was just a "what would've happened if Mari had lied?" And s7 is basically her fixing her mistake and time-traveling back to when she made the choice or something!?]
And Marinette's desire being she could let her team (mostly CN I'm sure) know her identity in 'A Fairy GoodNight'?! She thinks it's impossible, very likely due to the fact she tried to reveal twice with CN and they had to reset the timeline both times (+ Master Fu's teachings). She doesn't know the real problem was Gabriel all along!
In 'Revelator' she said she doesn't know who CN is, so she doesn't wanna tell him about Monarch cuz "Idk who's beneath the mask, what if he tells Adrien the truth?" Which is similar to what Bunnix let her belive in 'ChatBlanc' to derail Marinette from guessing his ID ("maybe Adrien told someone and the word got around until it reached CN"). "The best kept secrets are the ones you never share", after all!! [Line they mention in both episodes]
Also are we not going to mention RainPiercer & SunHeart's reveal in "The Ruler"?! Do we truly think this was just about the Marcaniel reveal at the end of the episode? With these designs?? With them talking about how they changed the ending and they're not gonna lose their Powers anymore?! (Like Mari maybe not losing her memories as a Guardian) With all the Miraculers saying "it's Our story!" ??? (It was a weird line.. but what if it's like that cuz it's foreshadowing!)
EDIT AFTER "SADNANSI": Marinette said she doesn't want to Lie to Adrien ever again. I feel like if she truly and fully wants to keep her word, from the depths of her heart, and never have to Lie to him again at all, she's going to need to tell him about Ladybug too, otherwise...
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WHY REVEAL IN THE CRYSALIS ARC?
Personally, I think they need to know eachother's identities to defeat Crysalis (unlike with Gabriel, who lived in the same house as ChatNoir), because that's how they've exposed her before in other seasons as Lila, as Adrienette👀
They were the only ones who knew the truth about her being a liar, so they teamed-up against her, knowing not to trust anything she does or says. I think they need to be completely transparent with eachother this time, because she's going to use any secret against them.
Like, in "Volpina" she made an Illusion of herself kidnapping Adrien, making Ladybug chase them down into her trap and almost give up her earrings to protect him. Later, she made another illusion of Adrien hanging from the Eiffel tower and LB panics again. If she had known he was actually next to her the whole time (as ChatNoir) she wouldn't have fallen for any of it in the first place!
Luckly he was present to dissolve the illusions, but if he hadn't been there she would've really given her earrings to Volpina...
Now Crysalis is likely planning to isolate Maribug from all her friends, so she's going to be vulnerable and subject to believing her manipulations and illusions (Like it happened in 'Heartfixer'). Knowing ChatNoir's identity might be the key for winning this time, so they can expose her as a team like they did in season 5!🤫
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WHO'S GOING TO KNOW FIRST?
If Adrien's figuring Maribug's Identity, I'd say it fits into the "Realization Theory" where one of the two (if not both) of them slowly put the pieces together and Realize the other's identity over time. It's more likely to happen now that Adrienette is canon, than a simple Reveal (which instead is more immediate, like the ones in the "What If" episodes that we're more used to)
Tbh, until these last few s6 episodes I was expecting Marinette to learn he's Chat Noir first (in the canon timeline):
-Cuz more internal drama with the lie;
-Cuz it takes longer for her to process it;
-Cuz Adrien used to be immediately super in love with her and accidentally mess up cuz he left clues that his father caught up to and it ended in disaster twice, while for her, the turmoil mostly remained in her head;
-Cuz of the "Wall Between us" song they wanted to use for the movie, but scrapped, that has some lines that feel like Marinette knows his identity while he doesn't know hers yet...
HOWEVER‼️
Where we're currently at a point in the Story, unlike other seasons, where there's some big differences from the erased timelines, so it makes just as much sense for Adrien to discover it first (like in ChatBlanc, he didn't tell her he knew her ID since before they started dating):
-Adrienette are already a couple, so it won't change their dynamic in a way people would notice easily;
-Cuz of the conflict he's having internally he's not gonna be as much crazy about it unlike before, he's gonna be more careful cuz he knows she's hiding something... (Could he be scared of revealing his ID cuz he knows he isn't supposed to know LB's identity since he's ChatNoir??)
-Since his father is dead, he can't be taken advantage of;
-He also is wearing his own amok rings so no one can force him to accept akumas and follow orders;
-Marinette has too much going on in her head already, if she learns he's ChatNoir they'll need to walk all over her corpse and she still won't reveal a thing, cuz that makes it insanely worse than her lying to her civilian boyfriend;
-Chat Blanc parallels everywhere (there's a fan theory that says all the things that happened in the CB alt timeline are ment to happen in the canon timeline, but differently and with different times, so I've made a list of things that happen in that episode to check and then I marked them with the "canon version" of those events, I must say over 90% of the stuff has happened in both timelines right now, If I didn't reach too much. I'm waiting to see if "Heartfixer" contains some of the last few things. UPDATE: It did! AND even the offical MLB account posted a reel with said parallels!)
+ Marinette has a picture of Master Fu next to her bed, Adrien is the only other person in the world who knows who that dude is💀
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If they wanna go for drama and angst, this is the BEST and WORST moment possible in the entire series so far to have them discover eachother's identities.
Worst cuz Adrien is gonna be rightfully PISSED at both Marinette and Ladybug, cuz he knows it's the same person, so he's going to distance himself from her on both identities, he's going to feel absolutely lost (unlike before when they were just silly cuties being happy bbys), he's going to lose both of the most important people in his life, to him, and he'll be more alone than ever (but he'll survive because he spent the whole season building himself a new support system to help him through harsh times).
Best because, if he knows the two people he loves the most in the world is actually one and he realizes that he has known 'both' of them as much as he does, they've been through so much together, that he knows for sure she doesn't have ill intentions and that she really cares about him for real and he really cares about her back; after some time away (where he's gonna need some space to process what he just learned), knowing that Marinette is Ladybug and Ladybug is Marinette might help him think back and, after a bunch of episodes of them being apart, It'll lead to their reunion once the steam has cooled off (Adrien is very Emotionally-Intelligent, he'll understand)
[another season worth of juicy content and drama]
Also cuz Gabriel was the one who wanted to split them, that's likely why he told Mari not to let Adrien know about him being a villain. They shouldn't let this man win again, Crysalis wants them apart too.
Well, there were definitely Better moments than this one before, but those were in a "Happly Ever After" type of 'good'. A way that would've been more "end of story/conflicts" kinda thing. I seriously couldn't imagine, as much as I tried, a lot going on after the Reveal, even if there's many adventures our MCs could still experience, cuz a Reveal would've solved most of the issues between them that existed before the end of s5.
However, since they're planning 14 seasons of this show and since the story is where it is right now with the Lie plotline, this is actually the Best moment so far, in the long-term narrative and character-progression type of 'good', in a way I finally do see things continuing to happen and conflicts still existing even if the Wall Between Them (the masks) has been finally torn down, cuz there's gonna be a New Wall to replace it (the rift caused by the Truth coming out).
It finally makes sense for it to happen now in the Story. While before it was more like:"it'd be nice if it happened!", but it would have been a bit random at the same time (narratively). If they've been keeping it for this long it means they want it to be meaningful. Dropping it in a random season would've ruined it (and they showed us why in the "what if" episodes y'all hate so much). For this reason, I don't mind they still don't know eachother's IDs yet. I don't mind if it takes another season either. They're gonna know for sure eventually. They must. They have to. "It makes sense".
Yeah this might be it...👀
[If you still aren't tired of reading, there's a cool conversation in the comments⬇️]
I came up with a Theory (I haven't seen anyone else talk about it at least) that Senti-beings have a Range for which you need to be close to them in order to control them with the Amok, just like Akumas have a Range to be controlled (as we see in 'Startrain' s3) and this Range is a lot smaller than the one Akumas have.
I don't know if it's just the Amok that has a Range or it's the whole Peacock Miraculous, but since Sentis are tightly connected to their Amoks I'd say the Amok has the Range, while the Peacock mostly just activates it. But I may use the terms a bit interchangably since it could be both.
Because, if there was none, then why would Mayura need to leave the secret cove and jump across the roofs of Paris when she created Sentis without an akumatized villain next to them, risking being caught, while being ill from using the Peacock, if she can control them from afar, during the whole season 3?
The riskiest thing she's done is when she made Senti-Bug she was standing right behind a wall a few metres away. Why wouldn't she control her from afar if she can hear what Mayura is telling her by just holding the Amok object anyway?
The Senti-Moth Mayura created in the s3 Finale to destroy Master Fu's Shield, while she was on the rooftop together with Gabriel, why did she go outside just to spawn the Moth if she was clearly not doing well, health-wise? They probably needed to control the Senti in case they had to retreat, just like they did end up doing. Yeah, Gabriel could've used the Amok to do it himself alone, but it's better to split roles and have Mayura control the Senti and Gabriel deal with the Heroes.
Same in "Miraculer" s3, when Mayura goes around the city to find someone she can link her Amok to, which happens to be August and his desire for Lollipops, so she creates the Lollipop Monster, as she's standing on a roof.
SentiBug in 'Ladybug' s3, SentiMoth in 'Miracle Queen' s3 and Lollipop Monster 'Miraculer' s3:
Other examples are in Season 4 when Shadowmoth makes Senti-Bubbler, Senti-Nino, Senti-Alec and Strikeback: he's away from his Mansion, holding the Amoks, hiding near the place where the senti is at. If there was no range of control why would he leave the secret cove too? He never leaves the cove usally, so him having to go outside to control these Senti-beings could be a clue.
With "Senti-Bubbler" (s4), Shadowmoth was behind the corner of Alya's house, then he started chasing WITH Senti-bubbler when he saw the Ladybug illusion running away and Chat Noir arriving. Shadowmoth was outside, near Alya's house, near the Senti, holding it's amok.
He makes Senti-Alec and Senti-Nino while he's inside Montparnasse Tower, which is the same place Adrien jumped off in 'Gorizilla', indicating that, since here Gabriel had to leave his cove to make this plan work, this building is outside the Range from the Agreste Mansion.
He makes Strikeback while he's standing on the Eiffel Tower, indicating that part of the city it's outside of the Range as well. While he makes Senti-Gabriel as he's still in Nathalie's room, he doesn't go in his basement/cove to do this, despite the large amount of guests downstairs + Felix roaming around freely.
Felix has Red Moon hover over Paris, following him around from afar, while he's controlling her light ('Emotion' s5).
Gabriel controlling Strikeback from the Eiffel Tower and Felix controlling Red Moon, which stayed close to the ground:
The Senti can continue to follow the order even after they walked outside of the Range, as long as the order was given while it was still inside it, but you cannot give another order/counter-order if the Senti is outside of the range while you give this new one (like Gabriel tried and failed to do to Adrien in 'Gorizilla').
Examples: Optigami followed the orders Nathalie gave it when it was still in her hands, which involved flying all across Paris. Crysalis's plan was to give an order to Felix in "Yaksi Gozen" to spy on the Miraculers, which would've involved him wandering around Paris without raising suspicions.
If there was no range Shadowmoth could've controlled SentiBubbler, SentiAlec and Strikeback from his cove, but he was away from his house. Akumas instead have a way bigger range, like more than half of Paris' size.
('Optigami' s4) Senti-Alec & Senti-Nino on Montparnasse Tower while Gabriel is hiding in the same building, Optigami being ordered what to do while still in Mayura's hands, Shadowmoth making Senti-Gabriel ('Gabriel Agreste' s4) for him to control within the walls of his mansion:
'Startrain' (s3) is an interesting case, might be good for comparing Ranges and how they work, as Startrain is an akumatized villain who never got a connection with Hawkmoth, because the free roaming Akuma got caught in Sabrina's bag for a while and already was on the track to London. When it finally reached somebody to akumatize it was too far away for Hawkmoth to control the new villain at that point: the akuma still did it's job, but Gabriel had no way to connect to it, because it was outside of the Range already (they were in the underwater tunnel under the sea at that point).
Lastly, when Shadowmoth or Mayura created Sentis to be associated with an akumatized villain, they sent the Amok flying WITH the Akuma. The villain was in control of the Senti, so they didn't need to leave the cove at all for those cases. Basically the Senti itself was far away from Shadowmoth/Mayura, but it was close to it's own amok as the akumatized person had it in their hands.
Also when he controls Adrien he usually walks up close to him every time, or they are in the same room or they're at eyesight distance or not too far away. So I think the Senti doesn't need to be in earshot distance to listen to the command, but the order still needs to be given within the Range, if it's given when the Senti is outside, then they will not respond to the command and they'll keep acting independently (like they usually do when they're not actively being controlled).
This could explain how Adrien keeps running off and disobeying (especially early seasons), it's whenever Gabriel doesn't know about it! Like in Startrain Adrien stated he's coming to the trip without his father's knowledge (Nino:"You're disobeying him, dude!?", Adrien:"Technically not, because I didn't tell him about this one!"); in Gorizilla we litterally see him transform and run away right before Gabriel came to check on him in his room after he told him to go practice on the piano (first minute of the ep); in Origins P1 he says to Nathalie:"please don't tell my father about this!", implying he ran to school without him knowing; in Protection, he has the PicNic date with Mari while his father wasn't aware... Or litterally in every episode when he transforms into CN to go fight akumas lol
For example, what's the difference between Adrien secretly escaping his house every day to do his Superhero job and him failing to escape the trip to London in "Revolution"? Right, that when he escapes secretly, his father doesn't know he isn't home anymore (he even puts his phone playing the piano so they can "hear him practice" and don't open the door), while when he wanted to escape the travel to London his father ordered him to go while he was sitting in front of him and they were together in the car (even if Gabriel wasn't taking the plane with him he still accompanied him in person).
Compare it with the tour he had to go in "Risk", when this time it's Felix who gets 'ordered' to go to London, due to his disguise (he pretends to follow the commands), while Adrien got out of the house and he was just chilling at the park while all that was going on. His father (or, in this case, Nathalie, who had the ring and was going to take the train with him) didn't know they swapped places and Felix made sure they didn't notice, so they didn't question it. The real Adrien didn't react to their commands even if he was actively given orders with the amok. He wasn't home, he was outside of Range.
I mean, the Amok holder doesn't need to be glued to the Senti, or be physically heard by them, but they need to stay in the area next to them... I'd say around 50-100 metres diameter Range, to say a big number, but it might be way smaller or bigger?? If they're outside the Radius, the command doesn't transfer and the Senti won't follow it.
Speculation on the sizes of the Butterfly and Peacock/Amok Range:
If the Range is even smaller than the one I posted above (very likely, cuz that one is the maximum extension I think it might have), then I'd check out the area I circled below, which would explain why Adrien was able to run away and get to school the first time in 'Origins' s1 (the School and Mari's house are right outside the range)
Maybe the size of the Range varies depending on how large the Senti is, so like the Lollipop Monster, Strikeback and RedMoon are very big so their range's radius is like the picture above⬆️, while SentiBubbler, SentiBug, SentiAlec, SentiNino, Optigami, Adrien, Kagami and Felix's radius is more like in the pitcture below⬇️.
Aerial shot from 'The Bubbler' s1 with the buildings dispositions + possible Amok Range if it's a lot smaller than the one I lined in the Paris map I put above earlier:
Credit for the top pic (with text) ⬆️
If this Theory is true, then it could also explain why Gabriel and/or Emilie decided to keep their son in their home and never let him go out on his own (so he was in Range for control in case something happened to him or he misbehaved)
Maybe they haven't mentioned it in the series because they've got something planned about it with Adrien, one day? I think it might end up being part of the solution to protect the rings from controlling or hurting Adrien, Felix and Kagami, so they haven't openly talked about this yet.
Maybe 'Yaksi Gozen' s6 showed us one of the first steps towards the solution, as we now know Felix and Kagami are actively searching for a way to get those amoks safe and away from themselves.
Adrien being controlled from afar, "Adoration" s5:
The reason I think his request/order to Adrien to transform into ChatNoir didn't work in 'Gorizilla' s2 and why he was so desperate is because Hawkmoth was in his secret cove while Adrien was falling off a very distant Skyscraper (Mountparnasse Tower), which turned out to be too far away to control him (as we saw with SentiNino & SentiAlec who required Shadowmoth to be in the same building as them, it's the same tower)
Maybe Gabriel realized mid-fall that the amok wasn't controlling his son and he got even more desperate, which led him to let Ladybug free, realizing he really messed up with his plan and that he wasn't even sure of his suspicions, it was way too risky to try it so far away from him.
Sacrificing his son for some suspicions wasn't worth it, he still needed him for his plans or whatever (remember Gabriel wanted to make him inherit the Butterfly Miraculous to take his place at one point).
Or maybe the reason he initially lowered his guard and gave up on his suspicions is exactly that he didn't yet know Sentis had such a small range, so Adrien not responding to transform made him convinced that he's not Chat Noir.
But then in 'Ephemeral' (s4) he surely had already learned that Sentis have a range and/or how big it is, as he had been using the Peacock for a while at that point, so when Adrien said "Milady" his theory about his son being Chat Noir from season 2 (Gorizilla) came back to his mind, this time knowing that maybe his son didn't respond while falling off the building because he was too far away from him. So he "trapped" him in the basement and went super up-close to him, forcing him against Emilie's coffin and blocking his escape. He gave him the order right on his face, Adrien had nowhere to run, but still did his best to resist.
The fact Adrien has rebel tendencies does not go against what Santibeings have shown to be capable of in canon nor against my Range Theory -which actually explains how he can disobey-. Litterally the 3 most rebellious characters in the main cast are the Senti-Trio (Adrien, Kagami and Felix) and in the episode "Ladybug" in s3, Sentibug was able to act on her own mind and go against Mayura even WHILE she still was being controlled with the Amok by her (she told ChatNoir:"Ok, Good Job, you win! I am the fake Ladybug, but there's no way I'm letting you Cataclysm my earrings!!", Mayura replies:"WHAT!? Why does she..? No!! Not the earrings!!" this makes her come out of her hiding spot and blow her cover, since Sentibug wasn't following the plan anymore and CN was about to Cataclysm the real earrings). Then LB caught her Amok and gave it to Sentibug, who decided to side with the heroes immediately after she was granted freedom.
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Each Miraculous has it's own Limitations (to avoid them being too op), these limits can vary depending on which one it is.
Like: the Dog can fetch anything anywhere, but there's only one ball; the Dragon can control elements, but it's just 3 of them; the Goat can make any object you can imagine, but it's not magical; the Rooster makes you choose a power, but you can't do 'wishes' or copy other Kwami's powers; the Horse lets you travel anywhere through Space, but not through Time (the Voyage always opens in the present); the Mouse lets you duplicate yourself into different copies, but you also get shrinked and less strong; the Ox protects you from magical damage and other Miraculous powers, but you still get hurt in non-magical physical hits; the Turtle instead protects you from physical damage but it can be destroyed with magic (Cataclysm) and so on.. All of them have something that balances them out.
Since the Butterfly and the Peacock seemed to have no limits other than "one at a time", them having a Range makes sense as another limitation. Especially since Butterfly's Concept is Transmission, which requires a connection between the Miraculous holder and the Akumatized person; and the Peacock's Concept is Emotion, which forms a connection between the Senti and your emotions.
Marinette's Map of Paris with Akumatized victims counts ('Mr.Pigeon 72' s4) & irl map of Paris with Miraculous locations:
Okay Nerdrien [love that he took it from taxonomy and he mentioned it's a genus, he's a studious boi (I study Zoology so this makes me happy, just like when he talked about "white" horses in 'Reunion' lol)]
Marinette with a chinese-dress-inspired hero suit, just like in many fan designs I've seen! The ponytail is great too! The front part of her dress has little transparent fox silhouettes printed on it!! She's so pretty!😯 (those heels scare me tho lolol)
Omg Y'all, they both haven't been this happy to be superheroes in AGES!! Probably s1 ?? was the last time they enjoyed it so much, no weight on their shoulders! Maybe they've never been so joyful ngl! My heart melts, they're so cute an happy!! They were hopping and spinning all the time! Am I tearing up cuz my kiddos are genuinely on cloud nine, for once? For like, 3-5 minutes?! Is this their endgame post-reveal dynamic!?! Sweeeett😭💖
They had they lil moment interrupted, but I was happy to see they still took part in the Akuma fight at first by helping the civilians, instead of giving the Miraculous back immediately, that was so nice❤️
Carapace: "For the Turtle Miraculous: Adrien Agreste"
Ladybug: *intense blushing*
NINO'S TRANSFORMATION IS SO EPIC I LOVE IT ALL THE WAY THROUGH!! The Titans were so interesting! Their design is great and the way they 'defeated' them was very meaningful and unique💚
Love this shot of DJwifi, up to no good😂⬆️
I really liked the beginning of the episode, where Nino gets back home after a mission and he turns the music on as soon as he understands what's going on in the other room with his parents yelling😔
Chris was unexpectedly very sweet and cute, I wanted to hug him, poor lil child... I liked their special high five between siblings and we got Nino in pijamas too!💫
Adrienette deciding their future Hamster's name (we shall never know), Nino's Family (Chris isn't annoying?!), Wingmanino with his "miraculous idea", Pijamadrien remastered (Nathalie baked something & destroyed the kitchen!!)
"Wow!! That's crazy! I've definitely never been here before!!" ~Source: Trust Me Bro
[⬆️I love that I was making their same exact face in this scene LMAO]
Also maybe we know what their Hero names might be if they ever fuse their Miraculous, cuz Mari mentioned "LadyRouge" as she was having her Marinette-Moment, while Plagg named Adrien's fusion "Carapaw" 👁👁
Another Ladynoir Sunset scene! LB told CN he can tell someone about his secret identity so he can have someone to take his place, like Scarabella does for her, in case something happens and he can't be there.. He refused, he knows it's a huge burden...
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Updated my "List of Hints Adrien Might Know More Than We Think/He's Figuring Things Out On His Own" with clues from this ep! 👀
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FanArts of Trionydette coming soon💅 (whatever their ship name's gonna be)
-FanArts I made before the Canon Designs got revealed
It was a really bittersweet episode and I think they handled the topic very well, it reminded me of my grandparents whom I love(d) very much and I miss them🥲❤️
The battle was great and I liked that KittenNoir was still useful even if he was tiny, a true menace to society as well, chaos unleashed within seconds, so CUTE‼️ And Pixienette is awesome, she's so beautiful, I love her💗 (her elderly version too, so silly and pretty)
The only thing I would've changed is maybe put Lila's part before the emotional final goodbye and not after, cuz it kinda ruined the moment for a sec. But everything else was great. The little before-n-after montage at the end almost made me tear up and I loved the flashback parts in Gina's mind while they were celebrating earlier (we got to see Mininette!!!)🥰
The fact she didn't use him as shield against Age-Up hits, so he could grow back up, was interesting. Was she so caught in her emotions to think rationally that she was willing to die of old age to protect the lil one?
She was taking all the shots at the cost of her life, even if he would've benefited from being hit, unlike her, she was carrying all the heavy weight for him... So determined to reach her goal to de-akumatize her grandma and keep her kitten safe, she didn't seem to care she was probably 1-2 hits away from collapsing forever... [Like the Lie plotline..]
*'Jubilation' war flashbacks with the baby carrier... At least this time the baby kitty is adorable!*
⬇️The face of someone who just committed a crime with no remorse, in cold blood! He even murdered multiple biscuits on the way!! DespiCATble!!!😤
Since the next episode set after this is 'Heartfixer', this episode could help explain why it opens with her trying to decide if she should give him the letter to the point she even takes it to school and why she broke so easily when she was getting akumatized🦋
I feel like this is gonna be important in the finale...⬇️
I think the reason this theme was brought up this season is probably not just about the grief and loss, which Adrien has been going through since s1 due to his mom's death and now Gabriel's, but his words when he was reassuring Marinette make me think that they're going to switch places in the finale when he discovers the Truth (he'll be the one panicking and crying and Marinette will try to be there for him like he was there for her in this episode)🤔
Especially since the Croûte did not exist... Like Sentibeings..Like Adrien...And now they both do exist because they made memories of their own and became a real 'recipe', not just someone else's imagination, but something true and unique😭
Btw loved this whole Adrienette scene, I rewatched it like 5 times, it's so sweet and cute, she needed that hug🥺💗
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HE SAID MEOW!! MY LIFE IS COMPLETE🙏🐈⬛
He triggers the cute aggression🔪
(His Ears moved down when he started crying AAA🥺)
And look at their shirtsssss!!!!!! Readdd⬇️⬇️
Check out my FanArts of this Episode I made months ago💗
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OTHER:
"The Chained Titans" Trailer came out yesterday as well,, it looks like we're getting something niiiiicee!! 👀 🐢 🦊
Trixx and Wayzz are behaving like Kwamis behave when the Miraculous is given to someone new (shot of them talking to Adrienette), then there's a scene where Alya and Nino are outside and their kwamis are carrying the Miraculous towards them (they left the jewels elsewhere if they're not wearing them).
Do you remember 'Illustrhater' when Adrienette said "we don't need to be superheroes to be a super-couple?" I think Alya and Nino had the idea to organize a lil experience where they both get to be superheroes together for a bit (without Adrien discovering she's Ladybug, from Alya's pov)
Why else would Alya and Nino not wear their Miraculous outside and why else would they bring Adrien and Marinette in their secret Hero training area!?👀
The Titans look so cool, I had a feeling they'd be like statues but didn't expect them to be Ancient-Greek-Looking Marble ones!
No way the "Unmask the Hero" poster might ACTUALLY be Foreshadowing for real!!🤩
CAN'T WAIT TO SEE FOXNETTE AND ADRITURTLE‼️ (whatever their name'll be)
And Omg! They're gonna have a post-reveal dynamic like this (more or less), but they'll also be awkwardly trying to pretend they've never been in that metro station before lol
We got some taste before, like in Oblivio, but they didn't have their memories so it wasn't fully it, can't waiiiittt!!😯
FanArt I made of them Fusing their Miraculous❣️(I don't think they're gonna fuse fr)
GET HIM MY BOYYYYYY, SMASH HIM IN A MILLION PIECES!! CATACLYSM HIS AHH
I CALLED IT!!!!! IT WAS HIM WHO DESTROYED THE STATUEEEE!! 🤩🤩🤩
It was either Chat Noir/Adrien or someone in the background who would've never been mentioned again, SO HAPPY IT'S HIM!!🔥
Y'all I've waited too long, where do I sign the adoption papers to adopt Adrien!? I'll take him as my little brother!/jk
I love him, he deserves the universe, we all shall hug him in unison, he's amazing, he did that even before Adrien X Therapy became canon, what a Legend💫
"H E R O"
Adrien Emil Gabriel Donathien Athanase PEAKGRESTE
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Me Mentioning this In Another Post:
"...Imagine Adrien's the one who Vandalized the Alliance Statue in "MisterAgreste" by time traveling with Alix in the Burrow Lmao"
Bunnix not necessary, the canon one is way better since it was 100% his idea to demolish that ugly statue, my lil man!!!🔥
[⬆️He did this even before he changed his suit to the current one! This is a pre-season 6 flashback!!!]
Yet another Buggachat Canon Prediction™~ Go read her fic "Open My Eyes", asap, It's peak😔✌️
Another Super Cool Comic about Adrien vandalizing that Statue with Nino and Felix:
Comic By Adrienaline-Rushed-Art (Part 1)
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OTHER COMMENTS ABOUT THE EPISODE
They're moving to Paris yess, I thought that was indeed what was happening in 'Yaksi Gozen' when Felix came by train with a backpack instead of coming as Astro Argos!
Amelie as Lady Chaos was slaying!!!! Do y'all think Felix told her Marinette is Ladybug? She looked like she knew and Mari looked like she barely hid it from her, I think she does know🤔
That's such a good Gabriel Impersonation, Mari, Spot On, I'd say! With the smug face and haughty voice n'all... The Parallels are Paralleling too much, my girl, I hope you notice soon... 😭
Stop digging your own grave Mari please, you're too young for this💔
[PS: His pancakes sucked😤]
[THIS ISN'T SALT, I DON'T WANNA HEAR IT!]
I love how many references/parallels with 'Revelator' we got here! Alya has said here a bunch of stuff she said in Revelator before she had her memory erased, it's ment to happen, just somehow else... And the fact Mari had this monologue with Nathalie makes me think she'll either fail to be the one telling him or that she'll actually find a different way to make him know whithout having to blurt everything out like she did here.
I mean, if the problem was only telling him:"Hey, your father was Monarch" and there was nothing else to add, it would've been easier to tell him, not even worth it hiding in the first place, I get people who say she could've told the truth from the start...
The problem is telling him he was Monarch AND all the things attached to it, all the questions it's gonna drag, all the answers that are even worse than the knowledge of him being a Supervillain! It's an immense Lore Dump and it took so long to briefly throw it on Nathalie at lightspeed, for how much stuff there is! It's already insanely brutal and she didn't even mention the Senti things, it's a lot, even without the extra detail about his origins..
(Which is probably going to be a question once he discovers everything, they could keep hiding it by telling him his mother died for Heart failure -true- without specifying why she had it, but still... In any case, bro needs to know everything soon!!)
AFTER THIS EPISODE IT'S GONNA HURT WAY MORE, BECAUSE OF THESE INTERVIEWS AND BECAUSE OF MARI ACTING LIKE THAT RAAAAAAHHH
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I've rewatched her monologue a million times, Christina truly ATE HERE!!! It might be the scene Ezra mentioned the other day! This was the topic I was expecting it to be about, I wasn't expecting how it was used, but I truly love this scene so much because we're seeing how this situation has evolved in Mari's mind, from when she first took the decicision to lie in the London Special/s5 Finale to now, when she has thought about it longer and started regretting it (she kinda did since day 1 tbh)
On the first watch tho I was barely able to follow Mari's words, cuz I was too caught by the beautiful artworks behind her, but If I close my eyes I can admire this amazing performance from the VA!!
BUG NOIRE!!!!!!🤩💞
Adrien offering his hand to let LB in the room🥺
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LOADING: ...
Support System Increasing In Size!
[I HOPE I can continue to keep you two on this collage when I update it again next time, Nathalie and Marinette, please!]
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⚠️ WARNING! ⚠️ WARNING! ⚠️
‼️Imminent Crashout Incoming‼️
ChatBlanc & ClawNoir's Mega Cataclysm [UNLOCKED]🔓
(Or at least he likely knows about it now...)
FORESHADOWING??!!
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WAIT AM I FORGETTING OR THERE WAS NO ENDCARD THIS EPISODE?! IS THIS A TWO PARTER OR SOMETHING??
Ephemeral is in the background cuz he said he's waiting for Ladybug's turn. He claims he feels lonely cuz he's the only bald one of the trio!😭 In the meantime, Heartfixer is scratching the crazy white kitty's chin (it's an instinctive reflex to pet her cat).
"Adriakumas: ChatBlanc & My Ephemeral Redesign"
"Akumanettes: Heartfixer & My LB Akuma Design" (who needs a new name)
In the 1st artwork, Chat Blanc's design is different cuz it's my "2.0" look (which keeps changing every time), It's like if he ever comes back a second time, but in the canon timeline. I love the og design so much, drawing him like this here is mostly a choice, as a way to distinguish him from Chat Noir! (since I don't color my traditional artworks). Drew him with the canon design in the other art since there I used my Ephemeral Redesign instead!✨️
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THEORY / ANALYSIS TIME!
CHATBLANC RETURN OR LADYBUG AKUMA?
Idk if yall've heard the theory that everything that happened in the ChatBlanc Alt Timeline is supposed to happen in the Canon Timeline, but differently and at different times in a different order?
I've made a list of stuff that happened in the episode since I've first heard of it a good while ago [List is written below, keep reading⬇️] and then I started writing down/add all the things that did, in fact, happen in "canon" afterwards in some way (been working on it for months and still editing it whenever I notice stuff as the new episodes come out).
I have to say right now we're way over 90% match and the biggest thing left is an Identity Reveal! (both between the heroes and also with the villain)
[Video I first heard this theory from]
[Another video I found yesterday, made before the London Special came out]
These theories talk about how this might be leading up to another Chat Noir akumatization... But honestly, with all the new powers ChatNoir is unlocking in s6 (which are the same ones as ChatBlanc's), I wonder if who's gonna get akumatized isn't supposed to be "ChatBlanc 2.0", but Ladybug!
Cuz if HE gets akumatized again as ChatNoir there's the risk the planet gets destroyed within minutes with his Unlimited Destruction and everyone will die again, there's not much she can do against his giant laser beam...
But if SHE gets akumatized then he might be able to use all his new powers to counter her Unlimited Creation as he's gonna be as strong as ChatBlanc once we get there (if we keep unlocking powers at this rate). Like he did in 'Dearest Family' when he destroyed the planet-sized Galette, thus avoiding the destruction of the Earth and everyone's death.
Now that LB has infinite Lucky Charms she might be able to summon one after she gets de-akumatized by him (like in Heartfixer, but as LadyNoir) and throw it to restore everything with the MiraculousLadybug?
Unless she can't cuz it's "too late" like in the NY special, so maybe the Miraculous ChatNoir gets used again and it turns out the power has also the ability to destroy everything the Ladybug Miraculous created? His Miraculous exists to counter hers, after all!
And in 'Heartfixer', she didn't get to make a Magical Charm to Protect herself in the future, which means she's still at risk and she knows it. The final scene where she hides the letter in the yoyo basically confirms she's aware it can happen again and the ominous music makes it feel like it's a big foreshadowing.
This might be what the Canon Timeline wanted to happen instead of Adrichat's akumas, now that Gabriel is dead and Crysalis is onto Maribug...🤔 [also cuz LB is the only one missing of the "4"]
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"ChatBlanc VS Canon Timeline" List
Things that happened in Chat Blanc's timeline that also (did/will/might) happen in the canon timeline [lemme know if you think other events match better than the ones I picked], I'll still be updating it as the episodes come out.
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✅️ Pretty much Happened, in some form
🚫 Didn't happen yet
💫 Time Breaking Event, happened differently
🦋Unsure it should be considered 'happened' yet
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✅️Marinette's friends do everything to make them get together (whenever s 1-5, Determination & Kwami's Choice s5)
🚫Adrien doesn't find an object/clue that makes him realize Mari is Ladybug (maybe in season 6+ he'll find things that make him connect the dots? Could be an item, a gesture, a word or her behaviour!)
✅️Adrien confesses his love to Marinette, who hesitates at first but then goes for the kiss (Determination, Transmission, the rest of s5)
✅️Adrienette start dating for multiple weeks, they eat icecream together and have a party on the Cuffaine's boat (Perfection s5, Emotion s5, Revelator s6)
✅️They become famous online as a couple, people are putting the focus on who Marinette is, as she's the girlfriend of the famous model (Climatiqueen & Revelator s6)
💫In CB's Timeline, Gabriel convinces Mari to break up with his son by threatening her family's business, so she goes to his house and tells Adrien the news (Gabe wins). In the canon timeline (Pretention s5) Gabriel tries to convince Mari to break up by offering her 'Pancakes' (a life of success), but she refuses, goes to Adrien's room and tells him she's never going to leave him (Gabe fails). He also tries to break them up a few times after they start dating, but fails (2nd half of s5).
✅️In the CB Timeline Gabriel tries to Akumatize Marinette who's sad cuz she broke up with Adrien, but fails cuz he Cataclysms the akuma and they get back together. In the Canon Timeline he tries to Akumatize Adrien who's sad cuz Mari rejected him, but he fails cuz they feel better after giving up their Miraculous (Transmission s5). Crysalis also wants to akumatize Marinette, so she akumatizes her thanks to her being sad cuz she broke up with Adrien, who fails to cataclysm the akuma, but Crysalis's plan is ruined as she gets no answers, Mari gets de-akumatized and they get back together (Heartfixer s6)
✅️In 'ChatBlanc' Adrien runs after Mari, Gorilla lets him go and he gets there just in time to stop the akuma, they 'reunite' in a Hug. In the canon timeline, Gabriel sends Adrien to London, so Mari runs to the airport to stop him. She gets there just in time to say goodbye, Gorilla lets him go, they 'reunite' in a Kiss (Revolution s5), they also 'reunite' in a Hug and a Kiss when Adrien de-akumatizes Mari in Heartfixer (s6)
💫Chat Noir directly prevents an Akuma from 'evilizing' Marinette, who was upset 'because of him', but this time no reveal happens as he stopped it by kissing her (Elation s5), instead of cataclysming the akuma (CB). But then another akuma goes for Marinette who was upset 'because of him' and he fails to Cataclysm it, turning her into Heartfixer (s6), Adrien does reveal himself to save her, but she and the villain don't see it, unlike in 'ChatBlanc'.
💫Nathalie doesn't discover Adrien is Chat Noir and doesn't tell Gabriel things anymore as in season 5-6 she's working against him. However, she later discovered Ladybug's identity so this could lead to a different result? She's working for the Council but she hasn't told them LB's identity yet (London Special, s6)
✅️Gabriel and Adrien fight eachother. In 'Chat Blanc' he already knows his identity, in the canon timeline it happens without Gabriel knowing ChatNoir's, but he knows Nightormentor is Gabriel (Representation s5), he fights his image again in 'MisterAgreste' (s6) & destroys his statue (flashback in 'LadyChaos's6)
✅️In 'ChatBlanc', AltLadybug tries to calm AltChatNoir down as he gets akumatized, but fails because he's too devastated and got a command. In Canon, Adrien tries to calm Mari down as she gets akumatized, but fails as she's too devastated and she can't hear him.
💫 Final fight against Monarch, this time Mari fights alone as BugNoire, Adrien doesn't get forced to be akumatized using the amok rings and/or his mother's sight to upset him (s5 finale)
✅️In CB, Ladybug saves Chat Blanc by reasoning with him as she fights him, she manages to de-akumatize him by pretending to kiss him. In the canon timeline Adrien saves Heartfixer by trying to reason with her and solve the misunderstanding they had, he manages to de-akumatize her by kissing her.
🚫No identity Reveal/Realization yet between Ladynoir (only partial realization? Cuz both already kinda theorized their identities correctly at least once in the past but they haven't confirmed it yet, they aren't thinking much about doing that anymore, but since they're dating eachother they might realize stuff slowly anyway)
🚫No Identity Reveal between Ladynoir and the Villain (looks like it's gonna happen soon tho, Crysalis is investigating 24/7)
>Other:
✅️Sweet Love Confession with a Kiss, starting their relationship officially (Re-Creation s5, ik they were already together, but they had a bunch of obstacles)
✅️Chat Noir gets new powers and the ability to avoid de-transforming like CB (Revolution s5, Revelator s6, Lady Chaos s6)
✅️Adrien has the fear of losing control of his powers (Paris Special, the nightmare in Representation & s5 finale)
🚫A Secret gets out which changes the status quo/outs one of the heroes (in 'Chat Blanc' was Adrien detransforming in the street, in the canon timeline it could be Monarch's identity being revealed)
✅️The first hug in the Adrienette montage in front of the school in Chat Blanc looks like their hug in the Season 6 intro, Chloe is far away too (top of the stairs in CB/London in s6), it's them just meeting at school and being lovey-dovey basically.
🦋Marinette makes Adrien a 'gift', being the only one who listens to him when he's sad about leaving for the tour, giving him the strenght to confront his father about modeling (Risk & Strikeback s4, Multiplication s5) [unless this is about him finding/receiving Gabriel's letter? Or is it the fact he did get the hat at the end of the CB episode, just masked as a gift from fans? Idk] ->EDIT: HOLY SHINS GUYS, WHAT IF NOW THAT HE SAW MARINETTE HAS THE LETTER AND SHE GIVES IT TO HIM AS LADYBUG LATER, WHAT IF WE REPEAT WHAT HAPPENED IN CHAT BLANC WITH THE GIFT WHERE HE SAW MARI CARRYING IT IN THE STREET AND THEN HE SAW LB LEAVING IT IN HIS ROOM!?!
💫🦋 "Adrien" finds out about Emilie's coffin by going in the basement, but in 'Chat Blanc' and 'Ephemeral' it was Adrien, in the canon timeline it was Felix dressed as him (Risk s4)
✅️ ChatNoir and Ladybug become closer, they can always rely on eachother, even if she's keeping secrets from him, he still cares about her a lot. I mean: Sunset scene in Chat Blanc she doesn't tell him about her timetravel and he says he's fine not knowing what's up with her, London special he says it's okay if she can't tell him everything that happened in the final battle. In 5-6 they're besties but LB is still hiding secrets. Adrien is getting a more and more suspicious, but he still cares about her a lot. (For now at least)
✅️In 'ChatBlanc' Marinette breaks up with Adrien, in 'Heartfixer' Adrien breaks up with Marinette, but they stay together after clarifying the issue (both timelines).
💫 Giant beam of light envelops the world and destroys it (ChatBlanc's mega cataclysm Vs Gabriel's Wish)
💫Gabriel gets cataclysmed and dies (CB, Destruction & ReCreation s5), but in ChatBlanc, Adrien is the only one who knows all the secrets and how his father died, while in s6 it's Marinette who knows while he doesn't.
🦋Adrien hasn't told/avoided to tell Maribug he knows her ID after discovering it (hasn't discovered it yet) OR One of them keeps a big secret from the other and doesn't tell them, while they're dating, until something bad is going to happen (Mari hiding the Truth from him)
✅️"Gabriel" throws Chat Noir into a building and he falls in the middle of the empty square (Mister Agreste s6)
>[Bonus] Ephemeral's Alt Timeline:
🚫Mari learns CN's identity which makes her take a step back & question if she truly loves Adrien, since she realized she didn't know him as much as she thought (in canon she might take a step back after realizing how much the Lie is hurting him? Or when Adrien will need space to figure out his "Real-self"? Like the endscene of Climatiqueen s6)
✅️Mari avoids Adrien for a while cuz she's confused about her feelings (1st half of s5)
🦋 Mari doesn't tell him she knows his secret until she feels ready to reveal herself (could be her arc in s6 with the Lie, In canon?)
✅️Luka helps Marinette sort her feelings for Adrien (Determination s5), both times while they're practicing for KittySection at his house.
🦋Maribug seeing CN in a new light whenever they're together (could be their dynamic in s5, or after a future reveal?)
🦋Adrienette cinema date Fail... In canon it initially failed, but they managed to watch a movie at the end (Illustrhater s6)
✅️Ladynoir rain scene where she understands she really is in love, as he offers her his hand (support). In Ephemeral it was the umbrella. There's a lightning & thunder in the distance -"Coup de foudre"- (Strikeback s4)
💫Monarch Gets both LB&CN's Miraculous and unifies with one of them (with Cat in Ephemeral & with Ladybug in Deflagration s5), but in s4 he wins cuz he akumatized Adrien and ambushed her, in s5 he fails cuz the Resistance ambushes him & Mari tricks him.
✅️Gabriel throws Mari into a wall while she's not transformed(💀) (Deflagration s5)
✅️Gabriel successfully makes his Wish.
[Is there anything else in the episode I can add, after LB exits Adrien's room onwards -in CB- and after Luka activated Second Chance -in Ephemeral-? Cuz "before" technically already happened, still wrote some stuff from there]
[Ladynoir 'rain scene' Ephemeral Vs Strikeback]
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ADRIEN'S "VILLAIN ARC" (Antagonist)
I don't think Adrien will have an antagonist arc right after we resolve Marinette's (or even if it's still ongoing):
1) It's out of character and it would actually damage him, since it's against his morals to hurt people for his own issues (there's been that time with Kim and Darker Owl, but hmm idk);
2) If he moved to the "Dark Side" and help the villain, It would mean Mari was right to hide the truth from him;
3) Two antagonist arcs back-to-back seems excessive to me, writing-wise, it's too much (Mari's this season and Adrien's next season);
4) He's more mature than he seems. I don't think the fact that his father was Monarch will shake him that much (his mother in a fridge and him being a Senti prob will tho), but he still will be very angry with LB/Mari for not telling him (but they'll make up later, eventually);
5) Given point 4, it wouldn't be an 'antagonist arc', it's something else. There will definitely be a brief separation between the two. If I'm right about Adrien figuring the Secrets out on his own, then him distancing himself from Ladybug (& Mari, if he also figures out her ID), this situation might be replacing the Wall that's been Between them so far (the masks), THE NEW WALL BETWEEN US!!
6) HEARTFIXER IS A HUGE FORESHADOWING OF SOMETHING BIG COMING for Mari in s6 finale or in season 7!!! Especially with the Ominous music in the bg of the end scene where she admits she's scared she'll be akumatized again once Adrien won't side with her if he discovers the truth (she wants to prepare herself emotionally first? She understood he's ready to know). Also, the way she got de-akumatized by Adrien made me even more convinced that he will be the one to solve (most of) the Crysalis arc.
7) From what I understood, the Crysalis Arc will end in s8, so It makes sense we get: s6 Mari antagonist arc, s7 reveal + Lovesquare rifting away (1st half) and slowly reuniting (2nd half), s8 Lovesquare full comeback (stronger together) and Crysalis defeat!
This is why I don't think there's gonna be a second ChatBlanc nor an "Adrien Villain Arc" anymore (I thought CB was returning until I watched 'Heartfixer', never thought Adrien would become a full Villain instead). This is why I now think the CB timeline has been building up to a Ladybug akumatization all this time instead. It's gonna be huge and it's going to require everyone's help to stop it. However, it's not gonna reset the timeline in the end because it's ment to happen (since there won't be casualties or it's fixable, unlike ChatBlanc, who killed everyone), maybe somewhat similar to my Headcanon Storyline with my Fan Design. [Ignore her name lol, she needs to be renamed now]
*Lil Note: Also, since they're both Victims of Gabriel, while I think they will/might split for a bit, I also belive that if they actually distance themselves from eachother for longer than a bunch of episodes (due to anger and betrayal), I would honestly count it as a Post-Mortem Gabriel win, as that was likely his plan all along for sure (from since he discovered her ID in the s5 finale at least).
They'll maybe need to let it all out in a crashout and take their time, but they have to come back stronger quickly, cuz Gabriel was the one who wanted to ruin their relationship and they shouldn't allow a dead man to decide for their future (might be why Adrien keeps repeating that Gabriel didn't want him to be in love with Marinette every time he talks about him). Plus, there's an army of villains ready to terrorize Paris and they need to fight together, like a team, like partners💖
'Heartfixer' Parallels with 'Elation' s5 (+CB)
Ladybug: "Do you remember where the akuma went?" ChatBlanc: "Here, but it’s already Broken." (his heart)
Adrien: "You don’t need to fix my heart, Marinette. It’s already Mended."
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OFF TOPIC-ish
Plot Twist: The Real 'Heart-Fixer' was actually Adrien🥺💗 [OG post]
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BONUS SILLY ART:
"Crysalis being pissed Heartfixer isn't answering her WhatsApp texts"(questions in Holo form, asking if she's LB lmao)
(Based off that scene in 'Volpina' of Marinette eating the Grimoire after she took it out of the trashcan)
Redraw of this terrifying scene, but with Ladybug holding Adrien as a Reflection in the Mirror and Marinette looking towards it! So much Peak in this episode!💥
"BE QUIET!"
I was expecting her to smash the mirror (*cheerleader noises*) during the hallucination, but makes sense she didn't do that yet, since at the end of the episode it seems she failed to find the strenght to tell him💔
At least from what we've seen, hopefully in the next ep we see them sitting on the matress and her still crying until she pulls out the letter or something.. Come on Mari, u can do it, do the right thing!!!❤️
[Y'all have no idea how many times I had to redraw the punching arm cuz it didn't look good (like Mari redrew Gabe's face a million times) I was going insane too lol]
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Season Finale Theories:
[Bathroom scene: Sadnansi vs Vampigami]
Considering the sus camera angle, maybe Lila had another hidden camera and she heard Alya talk about secret identities with Mari in the bathroom. This way, she gets the final proof she needed (Day Time), later she akumatizes Nora to secrerly tease her about love being a burden or whatevs (Sunset), then Mari goes to Adrien's house to give him the letter (Night Time) [Sadnansi] (Art&Yap: All the Ways I Have Imagined Adrien Discovering the Truth)
The next morning(?), now that she knows enough of LB's identity, Lila enacts whatever her plan is that she's been scheming the whole season (notice how we didn't hear a single word from her this episode, not even through the butterfly "mask" -unlike all the other eps- and the fact she akumatized a person who was upset about being parted from her loved one after Mari mentioned the 'Wall between them' is sus)
This plan starts while Mari is dealing with whatever will be Adrien's reaction to the letter (could be why we need to watch the last 3 eps in order, the other 23 eps he didn't know in the last 3 he knows?) and the possibility she's gonna be left alone and vulnerable. In the meantime Chloe arrives in Paris and idk what she does.. Her or Audrey get Akumatized? [Queen of the Dreadzone]. (Yap: Clues Adrien Has Been Figuring Out The Truth By Himself)
Then Secret Coucil stuff happens? Or heroes re-organizing the team? Group akuma? Felix Focus? No idea about this one [Secret Protocol]. And finally Crysalis shows up for the first time, in the sense the Heroes finally learn something about her, cuz she reveals herself intentionally or gets revealed unintentionally [Nemesis] (Honestly y'all, initially I thought Crysalis would use the secret against LB, but it does mean she'll also expose Tomoe, which I don't think is impossible or unlikely, but would she betray her ally so early?)
Btw, I'm not good at predicting MLB season finales, I can be completely off, but It's likely gonna be a mess as it's a 3-parter and I heard the first 2 eps of s7 are also connected to it/are 2-parter eps as well? (idk if it's true), like Risk-Strikeback-Evolution were tied between s4 and s5, this time it's 5 episodes instead? 🤔
[Or Representation-Conformation-ReCreation-London Special, which were all closely connected]
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Random Bonus: Definition Of 'Antagonist'
Cuz Mari is in her Antagonist Arc rn, about to end, hopefully! It was cool to see it happen!🔥💛
"A character (Maribug) that opposes the protagonist (Adrien in this case), creating conflict and driving the plot forward (progression of the Secret Plotline). The antagonist is the person that prevents the protagonist from achieving their goals (discovering Monarch's ID to understand the "Hero" side of Gabriel he never knew). Effective antagonists are not always evil; they often have their own justified, yet opposing, goals (hiding Monarch's ID to spare him from the pain). Antagonists are conventionally presented as making moral choices less savory than those of protagonists (whatever she was doing in 'LadyChaos' , while he was making a documentary to clear his doubts). A non-evil antagonist often acts out of duty, misguided love, or competing legitimate interest."
"These characters believe they are acting morally or justly and they challenge the protagonist (Alya too) not through malice but through deeply held beliefs or values. This creates more nuanced conflicts, where the audience can see both sides of the struggle. Such antagonists highlight moral dilemmas, forcing the protagonist—and the audience—to question right and wrong." [Link]
(Team Alya: Logic & Duty->Lying is always morally wrong as it's not fair[KANT] Vs Team Mari: Care & Relationships->Lying might be ok if it's to protect someone[GILLIGAN])
The fact I knew she was gonna have an Antagonistic Role this season from the color of her pants😔🤚 [Analysis of Maribug's New Design in s6]
[Link to this Pic]
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No Marinette Salt, leave my smelly criminal sewage rat daughter alone, tysm💗😊
[My little analysis/opinions Post about 'Sadnansi']
'Sadnansi' just released outta nowhere, all of a sudden today instead of the 15th lmao
COME ON MARI BREAK THE CYCLE I BELIVE IN YOU, YOU CAN DO IT, GIRL RIP THAT PAPER, SMASH THE MIRROR!!!
G:"You and I are Alike, we both want the same thing: for Adrien to Be Happy."
M:"No!! No! I'm not like you! I don't want to lie to him anymore!" ... "BE QUIET!!"
["F* off ", Dumbledore said calmly] /ref /basically /silly
THEY AINT HIDING THE GABE-MARI PARALLELS AT ALL! Obviously! Girl has Allucinations, we got another small monologue until Gabriel started yapping! Break the Cycle Marinette!! Spitting Facts!! Counting on you!!! Love u so much Mariiiii, giving u some Determination‼️ (Curse you, PapaCorn Frog plushie, what are u hiding!?)
The episode next to this one is the first part of the Finale! ['Queen of The Dreadzone' ep24] Super Excited to see how the season ends, it's looking GREAT so far, but I still hope they release all the other episodes first, PLEASE!😭 (I think we'll see how the endscene of this episode plays out in the next ep, like they did with Adrien's therapy session in 'Wreckless Driver', which continued in 'Lady Chaos')
TOLD Y'ALL ABOUT THE NEW WALL, MARI BREAK IT BEFORE IT'S TOO TALL‼️
I'll update my List of "Hints Adrien is Figuring Out the Truth on His Own", I think there were some in this episode too (I might notice more over time), like this one scene of him telling Mari about the portrait and insisting so much, in the screen I shared above!! Ur sus Adrien, what do you know!?! ⬆️ (I've edited that Post an unhealthy amount of times lol)
HECK YEAH PEACOCK FEATHERS BABY ADRIEN🦚
She's gonna tell him as Marinette too?? Not as Ladybug?! Are we dropping the masks??!
She didn't seem particularly against revealing her identity to him! When Alya thought what she was talking about in the Bathroom scene was her ID, Mari seemed like she wouldn't mind! (At least compared to telling him about his father, she's struggling with that one more) BOTH WOULDN'T MIND A REVEAL Y'ALL!!
[Or how @/coffeebanana translated it better: "(The truth) risks making him suffer terribly, but I'll be there to comfort him. And I will never have to lie to him again. Never again." ]
As I said in my previous 2 posts [the linked green one about Adrien above and this one], I feel like the Reveal might be happening soon, EVEN MORE now that she said these words, as I think she might have to to drop the mask if she really wants to never have to lie to him again!! (She has also expressed her distaste for lying even when she has to do it to transform into Ladybug in other episodes, like in 'Noe', when she pretended her leg got hurt)
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DjWifi Art drawn by Marinette hehe❤️
Speaking of couples, I loved Nora + Brandy (Twig) and also the fact Nino is scared of Cotton Candy, it's so silly🤲
BUG NOIRE BUG NOIRE BUG NOIRE BUG-
Love Alya creating Dioramas with illusions, playing out simulations to try figure out how the s5 finale went! 👀
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COMIC-FIC I made, imagining a continuation to the scene of Mari telling Adrien the Truth! 💗