#ml theory

[berryxart]

I headcanon that Chrysalis akumatized Nora for the sole purpose of trying to make Ladybug tell the truth to Adrien

[bklily]

I find it funny how these intro scenes are being kinda brushed aside with the overall conversation because not only do they give a good insight on where Adrien's head is at the moment, but they also set up the perfect tragedy of what his life will become once the secret comes out to everyone. He won't be able to have that simple life he wants anymore and everyone will always be aware of "Adrien Agreste son of international terrorist" all the fripplin time.

...Unless.... 👀 He takes Adrien Agreste out of the picture.... 👀 👀

[idleinteen]

Gabriel Agreste is a groomer. No, I’m not joking.

As Hawk Moth, Gabriel takes advantage of people (especially kids and teenagers) when they’re vulnerable, exploiting them emotionally and using them for his plans. Every time he akumatizes someone, he isolates them, forms a false bond, validates their emotions, and makes them feel understood so they’ll trust him. Once he has their trust, he manipulates them into giving him what he wants: Ladybug and Chat Noir’s Miraculouses.

This is especially clear with two of his favorite akumatized victims: Chloé Bourgeois and Lila Rossi.

In Volpina, Gabriel sees Lila completely emotionally destroyed after the humiliation she suffers at the hands of Ladybug, and he takes advantage of her vulnerable state to get something out of her. He even calls her “his perfect prey” before akumatizing her.

The way he convinces Lila is simple:

He gives her back the sense of power she lost after being humiliated. When Lila is defeated, Hawk Moth says it won’t be the last time Ladybug sees her and he’s right. Gabriel keeps exploiting Lila’s resentment toward Ladybug to achieve his goals.

He makes Lila believe that she can trust him because they both “hate” Ladybug. Because of this, helping Hawk Moth and being akumatized becomes something comfortable for her, the result of the false emotional bond Gabriel builds each time he manipulates her. But in reality, he’s only using her. Both as Hawk Moth and as a civilian, he actively encourages her problematic behavior: he hires her to make another teenager’s life miserable (Marinette) and brings her into the Agreste brand… only to discard her without remorse the moment she’s no longer useful.

And now.. let’s continue with Chloe…

A similar pattern happens with Chloé, especially in the season 3 finale. Since the episode Miraculer, Gabriel had been planning for Chloé to betray Ladybug and join his side by exploiting her insecurities: feeling useless without being Queen Bee, and her desperate need for validation from Ladybug and, above all, from her mother.

Gabriel uses all this to isolate Chloé emotionally. He convinces her that he actually sees her “potential,” and that with him she can be Queen Bee as much as she wants because she’s part of his “chessboard.” Eventually, Chloé is fully convinced to switch sides. His manipulation is so strong that, even when she isn’t akumatized, Chloé claims that Hawk Moth isn’t her enemy, he’s Ladybug’s enemy. From that point on, her behavior worsens dramatically, fueled directly by Hawk Moth’s words.

You can also say that Gabriel “groomed” Adrien in an emotional and psychological sense. Adrien (besides being a sentimonster) grew up in an environment where having a cold, absent, controlling father was normal. Isolation, lack of freedom, and pressure to obey were part of his everyday life.

Any attempt to challenge Gabriel’s authority terrified him. Adrien constantly justified his father’s behavior using the excuse of his mother’s death, because that reasoning was likely repeated to him by the adults around him (including his own father). And since children are conditioned to love their parents no matter what, Adrien struggled to question anything that might threaten his father’s control because of that reason.

And let’s talk about how Gabriel manipulated Marinette in the S5 finale.

The final disturbing act of Gabriel’s happens right before his death. In his last moments, he asks Marinette (his son’s girlfriend) not to tell Adrien that he was Hawk Moth and not to let him find out the truth. With that, he dumps an enormous and deeply unfair responsibility onto her.

Then he dies, avoiding all the consequences of his actions, while Marinette is left carrying the weight of a massive lie. Confused, terrified, and emotionally shut down, she doesn’t know what to do, all because Gabriel used his dying breath to manipulate her and leave her holding the burden of his crimes.

[miraculous-floconfettis]

That's way too many frogs.

Either someone in the Miraculous team is fan of frogs or this is sus.

[linartblogs]

GUYS THE REVEAL IN THE RULER IS EXACTLY LIKE THE REVEAL IN EPHEMERAL I'M TWEAKING

Not kidding. I just checked and Nathaniel says almost exactly the same thing as Ladybug when she revealed herself as Marinette to Adrien :

"S'il-te plaît dit quelque chose" / "Please say something"

"Dis quelque chose" / "Say something"

This coupled with Lila/Cerise mentioning Nathaniel while writing means that there's a big chance this reveal will have consequences later in this season omg...She probably already has suspicions of him being Caprikid...

[familyagrestefanblog]

Can we acknowledge that Adrien not only casually transformed into Chat Noir in front of the New York heros,

But also in direct view of all the civilians and cameras looking in this very attention-drawing direction

AND in front of this devil spawn of a villain??

We are VERY nonchalant but serious about this, and we're given off the vibes that calling Ladybug is just not an option here? Hell, Adrien literally just said that something is more important than telling Marinette that he loves her while also saying that he can only do so IF they get through this. Which sounds like everybody here expects the Ladybug-plot-armour to not apply this time. So she wont be here. That's what the scene is saying.

Which I guess actually checks out. Ladybug has made it very clear that nothing could ever justify her knowing who Chat Noir is, so whatever hell he's going through he has to do it alone because in her leadership, she's owed that the boy underneath Chat's mask doesn't exist and not a millisecond should be expected of her to take him into consideration. By all means, this does check out. Its why the s5 finale happened the way it did.

So, what? Is this a continuation of that Ladynoir murdering writing?

Is this a situation where a dimension-jumping villain showed up through the Supreme's influence (set up in this very special) and said villain also knows who Chat Noir is (because multiverse) and just fucking announced that? So Ladybug cant be called and she will instead fight with the others in Paris next special while Chat's in New York? Is the only reason why Ladybug wont give him hell for having gone to New York to help there without telling her that she just left for Tokyo without telling him either?

Is that what's gonna happen here? Cause no way Maribug wont be in the next special, but I can see it happening that the next special will be split in two halves, Chat in New York and Ladybug and team in Paris.

Cause considering that this is pre-s6 and everyone still wears their old suits, is the next special where they get the new hero designs? That actually would make sense. And I can see it happening that Ladynoir are gonna get their suits separately because Ladynoir is just dead in the water now.

But that still doesnt solve the situation that everybody in New York will know who Chat Noir is. So what? Are we gonna get an incident pre-s6 where Chat Noir's random memory erasing powers were already brought up? Will the amount of people he has to mind-wipe be so big that inexperienced with said power he had to nuke his own memories, too, and all everyone remembers is having fought this villain off?

Why is this short scene giving off so many weird vibes of this beind dead serious and Ladybug cant be called while also raising the question of why on EARTH we are this casual about Adrien transforming in front of whole New York AND this monster of a villain?

What is happening here and why does it feel like a situation that will absolutely not last in people's memories?

[kuromori4]

IT'S HAPPENING GUYS, THIS IS NOT A DRILL!!!!

Just watched the teaser for Heartfixer, and I'm SCREAMING!

I think it's happening-- We're getting it!!! MARINETTE AKUMATIZED???

Full teaser breakdown and theories under the cut! (This theory was created with ideas and theories from myself, @fandomofone and @jigglypuff1994!)

Okay, I know we're going in bold with Marinette Akumatized, but I really, really, really think this is it!!

Let's break it down (while I break down 😭)

First, Marinette has reached the last page of her Diary and is sad about it. (Or sad about the usual stuff and the diary somehow has to do with today's sadness) Then she puts the letter from Gabriel to Adrien in her school bag, which tells me it's not only still on her mind but also that she may be considering giving it to him again.

We see that Marinette has gone to Adrien's before school, and I guess she chickens out of giving it to him then. However, he very clearly sees it, and while he initially smiles at her (Maybe in an attempt to comfort her, since it's clear she's upset about something), he looks sad when she walks away.

Okay, now cut to school. Someone is surveilling Nino and Alya, who we initially thought was Loic, but we realized his clothes are different. Who is this guy? His phone case has a broken heart on it, so he does seem to be in on this scheme to break up couples. (The last image is the three stooges' outfits for reference.)

So Now Prem seems to point out to Adrien that Marinette and Nino are running around in secret together, planting a seed of doubt in Adrien's mind about Marinette.

(Look at our poor boy's confused and surprised reaction?? 😭)

More Prem planting more seeds of doubt.

Adrien looks uncomfortable/taken aback by Prem's hug, and I think it's because he's 'comforting' him over something negative that Adrien either doesn't believe or doesn't want to. (And then he touches his face? Kind of odd for someone who doesn't seem that close, but okay.) Now Adrien must already be thinking Marinette is keeping things from him, because he saw the letter earlier. Maybe he doesn't know who it's from. Maybe he thinks it's from Marinette (Maybe even a breakup letter??) due to whatever it is Prem is saying to him.

Now cue this evil smirk while our boy looks like the whole rug has been pulled from beneath him! So is Prem Evil then? Why would he do this? Is he working for the three Stooges, or Lila? He seemed so sweet in Vampigami; was it all an act?

Actually, I don't think so, because we have a theory! (We'll get to it below!)

Okay, now onto the séance Three Stooges meeting in the Library. They seem to be attempting to summon a duppy, ghost, spirit Akuma. It seems to be successful, with an Akuma taking nest in a cell phone (potentially the one with the broken heart case). And we even see Chrysalis IN PERSON in the Library. (Possible confirmation that they are working for her?)

Now, does this mean the three of them all get akumatized together at once? Like when Alya and Nino get Akumatized together in Oblivio, or Andre and Audrey in Heartbreaker? (Considering the title of the episode being similar, I'm going to say this is exactly it.)

So is the Akuma we see later in the teaser the three of them??

We don't think so!

We think that somehow, the three idiots get the ability to disguise themselves as other people! Namely, Prem, Marinette, and Nino!

Why?

Because if they show Adrien (And possibly Alya) that Nino and Marinette are "cheating" on them, they can break up two couples at once! Also, Adrien (And Alya) knows that pre-Alya, Nino actually had a crush on Marinette! So there could already be a basis for the seed to be planted to begin with. This would also explain Prem's evil smirk if he is innocent. It could even have been the real Prem who pointed out that Nino and Marinette were running around together (Since Prem looks genuinely surprised in that shot) and "Fake" Prem in the hug scene.

This would also explain the Marinette/Nino interaction later on in the trailer (see below) if it's not actually them.

Moving on, we see Adrien running and then hiding and watching the three losers. Now I want to point out that these two frames of Adrien hiding seem to be in different locations. In the first one, he seems to be hiding behind a window frame and looking through a large window. He also seems to be on what appears to be at least a second floor or high-up place (Due to the roof behind him) with a railing. In the second, he's hiding against a brick wall to a doorframe. I truly think these are different scenes spliced together. So I think that the one with the window may actually be Adrien witnessing the (upcoming) Nino and Marinette interaction.

And here it is, the moment you've been waiting for: We believe this is MARINETTE being Akumatized!

First, we see Tikki, looking absolutely horrified!

Adrien is on his KNEES in front of the person getting Akumatized, while Tikki looks on in horror.

Who would Adrien be kneeling in front of, alone in a dark classroom, with Tikki nearby?

Look at the shock/fear??? It's very similar to when he saw his father's statue Akumatized. I think you'd be equally upset if your girlfriend just got Akumatized right in front of you. Especially when you are a person who should be able to protect her. Heck, especially if he somehow caused it! Like if he had confronted her about the secrets and lies he suspects she's been keeping, (Which he thinks is about Nino) and she mistakes it for an accusation about the other lies and secrets she's actually been keeping?

And If that's not enough, we get this!

A curvy, female-presenting figure with a barbed wire rope that she... SWINGS LIKE THE YO-YO? JUST LIKE LADYBUG DOES? Tell me that's not Ladybug's physique.

Adrien runs away and... FINALLY!!!! WE GET TO SEE CHAT NOIR'S TRANSFORMATION SEQUENCE?!?!?!

Then we finally see the Marinette/Nino scene-o I kept mentioning:

Shock! Horror! Marinette and Nino are cheaters! (Except it's a trick.)

Then we see this shot of Adrien being utterly shooketh, but I also don't think this scene belongs either. Because A) those doors behind him look like doors to a kitchen or the movie theater, and B) He's wearing different clothing (!! Outfit change??)

Yet more fuel for our theory: We can't see who Lila/Chrysalis has in her hand. Is it the three Stooges? Or Marinette?

So going back to my earlier comment about the "spying" scenes being different, this is how I think the scene order actually goes. Prem tells him maybe, "Your girlfriend is Shmoozing with your bestie in the greenhouse," and Adrien goes running to see if it's true. (You can see the greenhouse thingy ahead of him, where he seems to be running to.) Then you see him looking in the window. (The greenhouse seems to be on some kind of bridge/lifted area, and also has a railing, so could match the location.) Then he witnesses the shocking tryst inside. (Note the green window frame and very tall windows, matching the greenhouse.)

So that's all! Please, if you have any more theories or have noticed anything we didn't, feel free to comment! I'm frothing at the mouth over this, and I truly think we have finally gotten our Marinette Akumatization!

[muzzable]

So here's my current understanding/hypothesis:

Tomoe, a woman who values her lineage and perfection, has really high standards for whoever will contribute to her family line by fathering a daughter for her.

Eventually, she meets a guy that seems adequate, and they have a daughter together. But something happens to the father—maybe he died, or maybe he left—symbolized by the leafless bonsai tree when she's discussing men. Either way, Tomoe's perfectionism leads her to write off the whole relationship, and the daughter it led to, as a failure because of this.

(It could potentially be the cause of her high standards for romantic relationships, or just reinforce in her mind that nobody will be good enough.)

So then Gabriel comes in with "Just use dark magic to will the perfect child into existence. It worked for me!" And since it's a solution that doesn't require a relationship, and doesn't include mixing her lineage with anyone else, she takes him up on it.

So, using the Peacock Miraculous, Tomoe creates a daughter. She has no father; the only DNA she's made with is her mother's. What more could she have ever wanted than a child just like her? No surprises, surely her daughter will do whatever she wants because she'll be the exact same sort of person, and want the same things. Tomoe gives her a name meaning "mirror" because whenever she looks at her, she just sees herself staring back at her.

How fitting then, that the price to create this child was her eyesight.

Meanwhile, her elder daughter, having been old enough to understand the rejection, develops mother issues. She tries changing the relationship multiple times. Would things work with this mother? What if I was a different person? How about this mom instead? Maybe the separate mothers are all related to The Kingdom, maybe they're just people she's conned, but it's not fulfilling enough for her. Especially not when she can see her mother giving all her attention to her other daughter—her favorite.

Of course, it's because Tomoe keeps tight control over every part of Kagami's life, but all Lila sees is Tomoe actually caring what happens to Kagami, but not Lila. She didn't care to tell Kagami she has a sister, or invite Lila to the Diamond Dance, or anything.

So Lila looks at her life. No matter who she's with, no matter who she even is, she's not happy. She's run out of solutions on a human scale. And she decides the only way to get that feeling is to take a miracle for herself.