#gut types

[ladylejean]

Centres: gut triad

The core neurosis of body types revolves around the idea of independence and autonomy from the outside world, ie not being affected by it. The contours of the body are the literal boundaries separating the person from their environment. Except body types don’t see this to their overfocus on intrusion, whether real or perceived. So they guard made up ideas about “boundaries”. The defense mechanism has nothing to do with being embodied. If anything, body types usually aren’t fully in the body. 

Body types offer a sense of solidity and physical presence and want to prevent being touched by their environment. For 1s, it’s about inner regulation: they control their own responses to prevent being touched by the outside world. 8s seek to impose their will upon the environment and that way prevent the environment imposing their will upon them. Type 9s does both. On the one hand, they shut out the environment, eg. going grey rock or being boulders who slow everything down. On the other hand, they keep themself in a state of fluidity, a fake lack of ego.   

[tattoos-typology-and-other-trash]

Enneagram Triads Summarized

Gut Types: "That’s my secret, Captain. I’m always angry.”

Heart Types: uwu professionals, yes even you 3s.

Head Types: The original overthinkers™

[spooks-typology]

8: Almost all anger is constructive and protective for me or others. I do not repress my anger. I get angry when I feel my freedom is being threatened (w7) or I refuse to give into my reactivity and stand my ground (w9).

9w8: I can only express my anger if it's constructive and won't harm my safety, and it rarely meets both of those, so I repress my anger and "power through" (9 counter-reactivity).

1: I can only express my anger if it's morally justified. If it's not, I repress it. Anger is a powerful tool and should only be used when it's warranted (w2), or I stand my ground and resist the push of my emotions (w9).

9w1: I can only express my anger if it's morally justified, and even when I'm wronged, there's not many circumstances where showing my anger to the wrongdoer is justified, so I go cold or act nice instead (w1 compliance influence + reaction formation).

[ecoreader]

It's a Gut Feeling, Really...

Type 8: No, it's that simple. The world is the way it is, and you're a fool for thinking otherwise. Back off.

Type 9: I can't help the way things are, I guess. Maybe it's for the best...? Calm down.

Type 1: This is wrong, and you're a fool for not knowing it. You need to behave more appropriately.

[istj-hedonist]

Ive read somewhere that 9's are like "wolves under multiple layers of sheep's clothing" because of their anger. Is that true? How angry could they actually get, or snap

i don’t really like the term “wolf under sheep’s clothing” as it implies some form of deception. But 9s deceive nobody but themselves. A more fitting term would be.. wolf with a sheep-fursona…?

8s, 1s and 9s can get equally angry regarding the intensity: loudness, choice of words, et cetera. The difference is in the frequency and how they feel about it.

8s feel that their anger is a natural part of them, they don’t always think about it but if they listen to their inner feelings it’s always there.it’s integral to their identity,they don’t question if it’s a good or bad anger, it just “is”

1s know that anger is a part of them but the have ambivalent feelings about it. When they get angry then out of necessity (maybe once a week or month). They know that sometimes anger is useful to convince other’s and to blow off steam, but usually they wish there were other, less harmful ways.

9s deny their anger so that they are surprised by their own outbursts (which they have about once or twice a year). “i don’t know what got into me, that wasn’t me”.

[spooks-typology]

hot take: 8s aren't actually any angrier than other gut cores or even fixes -- they just don't repress their anger at all. Even 8w9 based resistance isn't necessarily repression, they're resisting the act of reacting.

hot take #2: 8w7s give 8s their hyper-reactive reputation, since w7 has head based jitters/neuroses and fear of losing their freedom. This head influence also makes them more likely to react preemptively to a threat, or even to get angry recreationally (w7 entertainment value). 8w9s, however, tend to be "rocks", unwilling to move, or to give into what someone wants -- their reaction to their own reactivity is to resist it so the other person "doesn't win". 8w9 tends to merge into the environment in some way and takes subtler forms of control, more like a blanket than w7-type hammer anger. w9 peacemaking, so to speak, and stopping others from reacting.

It's also worth remembering that even though 8s look much angrier than say, a 1, 8 anger in average health isn't necessarily that deep. Because of their reactive core nature, their relevant emotion rides close to the surface and is expressed without a lot of thought or real, deep merit to them (4s and 6s express negativity and fear a lot this way, too.) 1 based anger lasts longer and is harder to get rid of, because it typically runs deep, into your bones kind of anger, often built up through years of repression and denial. None of which is to say that any gut type is better than another -- they all just have different methods and 8s need more love and good information on how they function.

[istj-hedonist]

I'm having trouble distinguishing whether my enneatype 8w9 or 9w8. Do you have any tips of what to look out for in telling these two types apart? I've been told by my family members that I'm pretty aggressive, but I always think that I'm being kind of like, gently assertive? My default is to be amiable until I'm challenged, but I don't have any problem with confronting threats if need be. My voice shakes sometimes when I'm arguing, and I don't enjoy open hostility. I thrive in competition.

What you are describing sounds more like 1w9 tbh (although I don’t want to exclude the possibilities of 8w9 or 9w8 from the short description alone).

Weirdly enough 1s are often perceived as more aggressive/intruding than 8w9s because people (-especially- family members that know you since you were a small child) are used to 1′s usually more timid nature and react irritated when the 1 suddenly speaks up. (While they are already used to the 8′s aggressiveness and don’t question it anymore). But with 1s they feel that they can push you back into your past self, back when you didn’t have the “audacity” to attack the elders. And they will tell you “you are too aggressive”, “you are too sensitive”, “why are you so offended about this?”.And the 1 begins to question themself: “maybe I -am- too aggressive? maybe I should try a calmer approach?” Because ultimately they want their arguments to be heard and have a more rational mind than 8s.8s on the other hand don’t really care about arguments or about convincing someone. They argue for the adrenaline rush and enjoy open hostility. They will be like “lmao, yes aunt Helen, I don’t care about your offended ass, I -am- aggressive and I will tear you apart tonight”.

Both 1s and 8s thrive in competition but 1s are way more civilized about it than 8s.

One way that always works when trying to tell types apart is to look for disintegration (only works when it’s your core type though):

during stress:

8 -> become reclusive / isolated / hermit-like and cynical like a unhealthy 5, go into research-mode, starting to look for strategies, read about things that usually don’t interest them because new knowledge gives them the illusion of being productive about their problems

9 -> become worried, fatalistic and paranoid like unhealthy 6s, visibly nervous, will ask for help but then don’t listen to it, feel controlled and pushed around, may blame other people for their problems, feel like their destiny lies in the hands of others’

1 -> will feel alienated, moody and misunderstood like a unhealthy 4, may wallow in self-pity, feel like they dug their own grave with their competency because now everyone else just dumped more workload upon them

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I find I’m partial to gut types but every now and then I find a fully functional p6 who’s integrating and my hope is restored