#hazbin rant

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When season 1 came out, I was worried for a radiostatic fight scene because I felt like if given the chance- Alastor wouldn't hesitate to kill Vox but Vox would hesitate to kill Alastor.

Turns out it was the other way around.

[mysterythrillerman]

"Voxval/Staticmoth fans, how we feeling right now?"

Literally AMAZING. Sure, maybe it's not the best ending, but bro. Valentino should've killed that flat faced TV, he SHOULD'VE and COULD'VE. The fact that Valentino basically saved Vox from his own twisted and insane fate should've been off the table if he didn't truly care about that fuckass TV. The shit we saw Vox pull in season two was so hurtful to Valentino and Velvette, they honestly should've saved themselves and left Vox to die.

Bro Vox literally betrayed Valentino's trust by trying to hypnotise him. He took all the work him, Valentino, and Velvette had done and claimed it as his own. He was willing to sacrifice his AND their lives just to kill Alastor. We've seen the way Vox pushes his feelings towards Valentino aside when in public spaces. He's done a number of things that should've made the Vee's turn on him and let him die.

BUT WE SEE VALENTINO TAKE HIM BACK TO THE TOWER. VALENTINO CARES BRO. FOR A TOXIC VILLAIN COUPLE THAT SHOULD'VE NEVER HAD A CHANCE, I FUCKING LOVED THIS ENDING MORE THAN ANYTHING.

"The coping goes crazy" HELL FUCKING YES IT DOES

[redder-robin]

TW for mentions of vomit and me complaining over non-canon character designs

There are these very specific very popular fan designs for the angels in Hazbin Hotel that I just dread seeing.

Genuinely it's so bad I have thrown up like three times just seeing them.

First example. Why the FUCK are they all shaped like that. I know it's the show's artstyle and whatnot but why is Michael, MICHAEL, Mr. Demon Slayer Dragon Killer Warfare and Justice Archangel a TWINK??? THAT'S NOT MY BOY FUCK NO

Same issue with Azrael because that's meant to be the personification of DEATH itself, not whateverthefuck that is. Like okay I'm fucking sorry?? Why does he look like that

At least this one by this person looks a bit better but it still makes me want to throw up. Like no hate to the artists at all I love their work but those designs make me genuinely sick to my stomach I'm not even joking I've had to get hospitalised over how bad it got once and right now I'm feeling like I'm going to vomit again.

Then there's

This. Michael looks exactly like Lucifer which pisses me off but, okay, sure, I can take it. I like many Michaels that have at some point fallen and become Lucifer, I do not actually care enough about that. Nor do I care about them making Gabriel a woman if that's what you think the problem is because I've seen some genuinely gorgeous portrayals of the angels as fem and I love them seriously. Angels don't have gender, they're genderless, we can portray them in any way we want so long as it's not sexualising (Which Hazbin itself already fucks up) or demeaning (Another thing it fucks up).

My problem is that three out of seven are kids or at least look like kids. I think we see how this could be a problem considering the type of show these designs are fanmade of, right?

Hazbin Hotel is very much not a kid friendly show, there's a reason not many children are showed to be there and especially not as the main focus or main characters of it. It makes a lot of sexual jokes about its own characters (Ahem, using Sir Pentious' SA scene as a joke), and it's just overall not a friendly space for minors. And you may say, "Oh, but Robin, they're not actually kids, they've actually been around since the creation of the world!" or, "Oh, but Robin, they're not canon, why are you so pressed about it?" So I'm going to reply to both.

"They're not actually kids!": this claim is just invalid. Sure, they could not be kids, but they look like kids. It's the same problem other popular pieces of media have that they think that just because they slapped a couple dozen zeroes to the age of a character that appears to be a minor it's okay. The thought is still there. A person who doesn't know the media that character comes from could think they're a kid. This is especially a problem when you think about why pedophiles come into the internet in the first place. This also comes with another problem that people say "they're just pixels bro" which I'll get to in a second.

"They're not canon!": No, but they're widely popular. Like the amount of fanart I've seen for these designs is insane. And it's cool idrgaf, my problem is that since they're very popular, they're much easier to find for creeps who look to shield themselves behind the "they're not real" argument.

"They're just pixels!": The. Idea. Is. Still. There. You may not want to see it but that's visibly a child, with the mind of a child, the maturity of a CHILD. We see how this could be an issue? They may not exist, yeah, but the idea is still there. Now this wouldn't be an issue if the media they were fanmade for was any SFW media (or at least not that big of an issue) but we have to remind ourselves that they're made as fan designs for Hazbin Hotel. Hazbin is not a child friendly show. Hazbin should not have children on the spotlight. They sexualise their characters all the time, even Emily who is relatively young looking and slightly immature gets that treatment. I'm not bothering with the "She's an angel!" argument either because I play What in "Hell" is bad? Sexualisation of angels is a whole nother problem that isn't mine to discuss. If anyone wants to, go ahead and do so, but I'm not going to be a hypocrite and complain about it while I play a literal porn game about biblical beings.

THE POINT IS. Child or child-like designs shouldn't be used in media like Hazbin, at least not constantly enough for it to be a main design. We've seen little Charlie, yeah, that's not a problem, because it's not her main design. For three out of the seven angel designs we got there, they look like kids. They don't have any other design so we can assume those are the main ones. Even in WHB we've seen the little seraphim and little devils.

Wtv I've stretched this out for too long.

Tldr; I hate these designs, they literally make me sick, and some too woke ramble that I wrote on my phone at like 5AM to 6:30AM while I was meant to be dead asleep.

Thank you for reading if you did, idk what I was on while writing this but I feel I missed some points I may get to some other time after I remember lol idk I may be too woke for this or smth

Anyways look at the commission I made my cousin a while back of my own Azrael design for my own story in my mind I love it mwah plz go follow them their art is so cool left the uhh watermark there so y'all can go look at their acc lol have funzies

[dewdropswackyworld]

TWO RANTS

ok, I have two rants in me so be prepared.

One, do you think people like Angel, Val, Husk, Sir Pentious, Niffty, Alastor, Vox, ect have internalized homophobia because of their time periods? I feel like some of them got over it, like Val, Angel, and Husk, but what if some of them, like Vox, Alastor, and Niffty, still kinda have it in the back of their mind? That would be quite interesting because, I'm using Val and Vox's 'relationship' as a example, Vox has has intimate moments with Valentino, but does he somehow convince himself that its like 'I'm not gay because I don't love him. Its purely physical' despite both of them clearly having romantic feelings for each other. That, as well as having romantic relationships being most likely seen as 'weak' for Overlords and their vocations on other people, Alastor for Vox and Angel for Val, is probably why they haven't actually fully dated. So, yeah. And Vox definitely had internalized racism as well.

Second rant is just StaticMoth.

THERE IS SO MUCH GODDAMN STUFF TO SAY ABOUT THEM!!!!

I'll start with the first thing I noticed. Val specifically said 'finally' when Vox came up in Season 1 episode 2. Like he wanted him to be there to calm him down. Vox has obviously done it before, as he just looks annoyed rather than mad when Val destroys his phone. Also, when they are singing in the finale, in one of the shots there is a TV sign in the background with hearts around it. Later, in season 2, during Val's solo in 'When I Think About The Future', that same sign has the TV with broken hearts around it. During Vox's freakout, the sign on V Tower, which one had all 3 Vs lit up with their signature colors, blue, pink, and purple, the pink and purple Vs are shut off. Only the middle one, the blue one, is lit up. Meaning that Vox is alone in this. Its obvious they still care for each other - Val reaches out a hand to Vox and Vox doesnt actually attack him like he did the angels and hotel crew. And Val still kisses Vox. He still felt ok kissing him. Whether he wanted to or just to distract Vox, he did. and he grabbed Vox along with Velvette. He kept trying to save Vox as well, even though it was HIS FAULT. I know I wouldn't have. Valentino loves Vox. Whether he likes it or not. And Valentino while drawing that pretty tame drawing of Vox during the meeting in season 2 pulled it closer to him when Vox walked by like he was **embarrassed**. Valentino. The loudest, most sex joked, unashamed character in the show. Was embarrassed from a pretty tame drawing. **That** is how you know Val is in love. I mean he is drawing his crush with hearts around it while smirking and biting his lip like a middle school girl with her crush. And I love that. I love that Valentino consistently doesn't hurt Vox and Vox doesn't hurt Val.

Well...at least not until Vox broke.

Val didn't hurt Vox at all before that. Because that could be brushed off as 'Vox being Vox'. What couldn't be brushed off as 'Vox being Vox' is Vox saying he would prefer to die as long as Alastor went with him. That he would rather all of them, Valentino and Velvette too, if Alastor would die. That Vox chose his obsession over **them**. Over Velvette. Over life. Over Val. And if Vox wouldn't choose life, Val chose it for him. So he ripped off his head.

AND I SWEAR TO GOD VOX IF YOU DONT WIN THAT MAN BACK-

[celtrist]

Hazbin & Helluva Vs. Aromanticism

(Aka: I have a problem with the Spindlehorse team about this, not shippers.)

(Also this is mainly about Alastor but can go for Octavia and Mammon too.)

Alright, so I've cleaned up this uh... rant, to make things a little more clear hopefully. But to summarize here, this is about the team's lack of commitment when every other character is allowed full confirmation of their orientations but these (potentially) aromantic characters aren't.

While I have no beef with shippers (I think you can ship whoever with whoever you want, I ship Alastor too on occasion), there is some conversation about how the fandom might be a bit of a reason WHY they "can't" be confirmed as aro. But again, my main problem is more with the showrunners than the fandom at this point about this.

I'll also be getting into why it's "important" and the double standards against characters being aromantic.

This is not an attack, ship however way you wish (again, I do it myself). My intent isn't really to stop the shipping, that would be ridiculous. But more so to give my thoughts on why it's BS characters like Alastor can't be confirmed as aromantic when other characters are allowed confirmed orientations.

I will start off by saying I don't mind the shipping of Alastor. While it's NOBODY'S business but mine, I suppose it's important to clarify that I'm someone who does currently identify as aroace. I might be wrong but who cares, it's how I think of myself now at least to some degree (I do after all still have fictional crushes. Real-life romance is not an interest for me though, don't like 'em).

I'm gonna get what I don't think people talk about enough on both sides of being for and against shipping Alastor, and then I'll talk about the shippers as they're (I realized) not my main issue at this point.

A little history: So Alastor has been long time confirmed as an ace character. He hasn't been confirmed as being sex-repulsed or anything, but I can personally say I don't mind either flavor of him being repulsed or favorable (though I imagine the series will lean towards the former to counter everyone else's sex-favorable attitude and for jokes). This statement was initially taken VERY poorly by fans who, at the time, were shipping radiodust and radiobelle/charlastor, one more than the other. Care to take a guess which? The answer will not surprise you.

But then people realized "Oh, asexual doesn't mean he COULDN'T get with someone" and people even went further to "Being asexual doesn't mean he CAN'T have sex", both very true statements. So shipping was back on the menus boys! And his asexual was certainly blurred a bit (to the point where it wasn't even him being sex-favorable asexual as much as just not asexual, something that still happens but certainly not as bad). But overall, people were taking his canonicity as asexual with as much grace as a duck.

So here's where MY problem comes in. While I have some gripes with shippers, I had an epiphany that "Oh. It's not really the shippers I have a problem with. It's the people WRITING THE DAMN CHARACTER". Which, might I just say, is so much worst.

The shippers, while they got annoying at some points and certainly can be still, are just having fun. Because shipping just happens to be the way most people like to interact with characters in the media they're into. Hell, I am no different. I just have the misfortune of only really getting into rarepairs most of the time (curse you my bizarre tastes). I've even shipped with Alastor, I like AngelicSmile/radiojoy quite a bit.

Back on track. Now, what do I mean by my main problem being with the writers more than the fans with this? Well, queue this darling of a clip about the topic (this is the only clip I've found of the live stream, feel free to watch the whole video but just wanted the clip here).

This. Single. Clip. Infuriates me.

Vivzi, while I'm sure not meant to, pretty much implied "Alastor being aromantic and 'non-shippable' would ruin people's fun". I'm sure she meant it as a way to keep others from policing shippers (which didn't work, it still happens), it really just reads as "a character being aromantic is not a fun character". Like there's something wrong with being aro.

Not to mention some other things that would contradict this statement:

Viv in the past said "fans are allowed to ship outside character orientations", so... what makes that so different here with confirming Alastor as aromantic?

It being confirmed is not relevant to the plot. Great, so is every other orientation not relevant. Why can't Alastor be confirmed as aromantic but Vaggie can be confirmed as a lesbian or Vox bi? What does Vox being bisexual have to do with the plot? Neither is relevant to the plot, but one can be confirmed but not the other?

People were gonna ship him ANYWAY. Like, there's really no point in pretending. They were going to anyway because of the first point I already mentioned, but also people ship against canon orientations ALL THE TIME. It's just gonna happen and there's nothing wrong with that in of itself.

You've kind of just implied it's canon by not wanting to say specifically him being aromantic is canon or not. If Viv had just said "I don't wanna confirm his romantic orientation because...", then this statement would be fine and fair I suppose. But she had to call out him being aromantic specifically. And I mean, he COULD be something else (he was slated to be a couple with Mimzy originally after all), but the context doesn't seem like that would be the case. Plus, would she really feel the need to hold back from saying "Alastor is homoromantic" or biromantic or heteroroman- actually yes for that last one probably.

So riddle me this, with these points, why the FUCK would it be so wrong to confirm Alastor as a canonically aromantic icon and help get MORE REP for this very very very VERY underrepresented orientation? And I've thought of a few reasons to this, one of which being to avoid the same backlash that they got for Alastor being ace. Which, DID HAPPEN WHEN THE VOICE ACTOR AND SOMEONE ELSE ON THE SHOW CONFIRMED ALASTOR AS AROMANTIC BUT BACKTRACKED ON THE STATEMENT.

To which, fine. THAT'S on the fans (especially as no one would've complained if he was confirmed as homoromantic, which is a double standard VERY PRESENT in this fandom, but also many others quite honestly). But I can see another reason is to avoid others policing shippers about it.

Which, if that's the case, shit luck it's happening anyway.

To cower away from this orientation because of fans being upset says a lot, both about the fans and the creators. There is a whisper of "Alastor isn't allowed to be aromantic". That "being aro isn't allowed or appreciated".

We live in a world that at this point has a lot more lgbtq+ characters than ever before. At this point, there's just a lot of gay/lesbian and bi characters, and that's wonderful. But, there's barely a handful of aroace characters. And when they are, nobody wants to pay attention to that part of the character. So why can't the deer man be aromantic? I would imagine it would honestly make things a little better ship wise because ship wars wouldn't occur seeing as, well, there's no ship to be fought for. None of them could be canon.

So you might see where I'm leading into this, but I can only really think of one real reason Alastor being aromantic just "can't be confirmed" where as everyone else's orientations can be.

His popularity. Like, that's weird but walk with me here. Alastor is the most popular character in the fandom. There's honestly no denying it, he just is. And what do people do with the most popular character?

THEY SHIP THEM OFF IN A LOVEBOAT.

But wait, if he's aromantic, he can't be on a love boat. THIS IS BS-

And then... the outcry. And we HAVE seen this happen. I mentioned before, he was stated to be aromantic on two occasions by two people who work on the show, one of which is his voice actor (which I'll be fair, I personally don't think VAs always know the characters they play the best, that's the writers). But they had to backpedal because people DID complain. People WERE upset. So it's kind of shown just aromantism isn't really welcomed, at the very least not for a character like Alastor.

And that's the key: "Not for a character like Alastor". But if it were say, Niffty or Mimzy who are either overlooked or just not very popular, THEN it's probably more than okay for a character to be aromantic. Because no one wants to ship with them much, so they can be aromantic all they want.

AKA. The aro community is allowed the scraps but not the dinner.

At this point, you've probably noticed I switched gears from the creators to the fans because I DO think they could be a reason why Alastor "can't" be confirmed as Aromantic. I'll give credit, I'm pretty sure it's mainly on twitter and wouldn't be surprised if it was a "loud minority" thing going on, but the people have spoken. They vehemently cannot STAND the idea of Alastor being aromantic.

But I don't have a problem with these people quite honestly- I mean I kinda do, but my main issue is the lack of commitment when the other characters are allowed confirmed orientations. Why can't aromantic people get confirmed rep? Because "it'll ruin people's fun?" That's such a crappy reason because it's just saying being aro is bad on some level or isn't okay. Why can't the aromantic community get the dinner this ONE TIME? It's one character in a pool of many others that are canonically gay or bi, so why can't the aro community have this ONE popular character?

I'm not even asking for people to stop shipping him, I think that's perfectly FINE. It wouldn't change the canon. I'd appreciate more LOVE given to the aromantic identity (and I'm talking about the far end of it, so absolutely NO interest in romance as many have used aro Alastor but it still comes off as just normal shipping, but that's just me). There's such a double standard to the treatment of aromantic characters to the other characters in these shows (because Octavia and Mammon are in the same boat here), and the reasons given are so crappy that they sound more like off-hand excuses.

Again, I don't MIND people shipping Alastor, or Octavia, or Mammon who is randomly shipped with Adam the most. Let me repeat:

YOU. ARE. ALLOWED. TO. SHIP. THESE. CHARACTER.

But what I have a problem with is that these characters aren't allowed to be OFFICIALLY aromantic. How would it feel if this was a gay character? That they didn't want to confirm it but there's been indications with past statements and even in-universe stuff indicating so? I WANT Viv and her team to STICK with what route they were gonna go with.

And some might argue "what's so bad with nothing being confirmed?" Other than the fact every other character's orientations are allowed confirmation and Viv's crappy way of putting it in not confirming anything. There's, by all technicalities, nothing wrong.

However, if I may pose a counter, why is it fair for people to demand or ask for gay representation or confirmation but not aromantic? Because it's "not ruining anything"? If that's the case, I'm inclined to say that may be a bit aphobic. Because how is it that a character being aromantic can "ruin" the character or something, but a character being gay DOESN'T "ruin" the character. It's a double standard that I don't think most people realize or want to say because you don't want to be dissing on gay stuff.

But WAKE UP SHEEPLE. The gay stuff has PLENTY of things by this point. Whether through fan works or official media, it is growing and it is growing rapidly. And we should be HAPPY about that. But alternatively, Aromantic (and asexual) rep BARELY gets any attention in either fan works or official media. People would be UPSET if a ship like Angel Dust X Vaggie or Stolas X Verosika got into one of the top most popular ships. But Alastor? Nah, it's fine.

Again, while I don't mind the shipping itself, hopefully, you can understand how it might feel to see one of the most popular ships involve a character that goes against their orientation and it's YOUR orientation. It doesn't. Feel. Great.

And not everyone who ships Alastor even would LIKE him to end up with who they ship. Some people just like it staying in fanon. I have met SO MANY nice people who ship Alastor with characters that I personally don't really like him shipped with. But it's clear that I don't think THEY'D mind if he was confirmed aromantic because it doesn't change their life. They'll still keep shipping him because that's fun for them and that's FINE. People explore themselves through characters with confirmed orientations and they don't always line up with canon, and that's FINE. I don't think people should be policed on shipping with the deer man, they're just having fun. Would I appreciate a little more love for the aro identity? Sure (I mean just look at Alastor's ship weeks activeness vs. his aro week activeness), but if that's not how people have fun they shouldn't be forced to do stuff with it.

But Alastor being seemingly "not allowed" to be confirmed as aro has set a precedent that there's something wrong with being aromantic. And personally, it makes me feel a tad unwelcomed sometimes.

It's the precedents. Again, why is every other character's orientation allowed to be confirmed but Alastor's isn't? What is so wrong with him being aromantic? Hell, he might not even BE aromantic. But at least I'd KNOW instead of floundering around hoping upon a star for some aromantic representation.

It's okay to be gay but- WHOA HOLD YOUR HORSES THERE. WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO PUT A PAUSE IN THAT ARO BUSINESS YOU GOT THERE.

A character's worth is in how shippable they are. And if they're aromantic, they're not shippable. And unfortunately, there are just enough people to throw a hissy fit about it that Viv doesn't want to confirm it.

Because apparently being aromantic would "ruin" things.

[bealzebubs-blog]

Okay so this is coming from a tiktok of someone(that's asexual) talking about radioapple and the nuances they headcanon about Alastors asexuality.

(don't attack me in the notes I'm not mentally stable enough for that I just wanted to rant about it because it's fucking dumb! Let people headcanon him! As long as they don't get rid of the fact he's asexual I genuinely don't give a fuck!)

I'm all for people HC him as repulsed but they can't say it's canon because it's not we don't know what it is in canon. So there was some in the comments arguing with people about it.

"This is literally the same thing as saying “Oh, you’re aroace? You just haven’t found the right one yet, it’s okay!” You’re operating under the assumption that all aroace people can feel attraction. It’s invalidating and odd" this is a copy of their comment.

I'm operating under the assumption that I don't know what it is so I'm gonna go with neutral because yk it's neutral. Why would you assume someone does or doesn't like something until they tell you? It's weird.

Aren't they doing the same thing by insinuating that asexual people can't feel any attraction. It's not like we were talking about all asexual people we were talking about one asexual character. An asexual character that has no confirmed opinion on sex.

I just think it's dumb and they also brought up that vox sa'd him as a reason that he's sex repulsed and I brought up how that is aphobic and infantilising victims of SA by insinuating that all victims are asexual and that asexual people have to be victims too often to be sex repulsed.

I don't think me headcanoning him as neutral is invalidating asexual people as an asexual person.

Someone else also brought up that he is touch averse. He doesn't like touch he doesn't initiate so obviously that means he's sex repulsed.

I hate touch I haven't initiated or consented to! Most people don't like it when someone suddenly touches them! That doesn't mean they are sex repulsed!

Side thought: I ship QPR radioapple because it's cute and silly.

[cocogum]

Is Abel an archangel?

Can anyone help me with this?

I seriously don't know if it has ever been confirmed in Season 2 or if any information had been leaked in an interview or podcast.

Abel is Adam's son and yet, we've never actually heard a confirmation or even an implication that he's an archangel as well. Because yes, he also happens to have the same golden wings that differentiates him from the other winners but an archangel is an angel meant for fighting.

(They literally have the same pair of wings come on now)

Before Abel became the general of the exorcist army, he just looked like he came out of a marching band or a choir at the very least.

It's only fair that Abel gets to be a different type of angel from the other winners since he's one of Adam's first sons.

I did look up his wiki, but it didn't give me much about his angel type either.

It just said the obvious, him being a winner like his dad and all angels who used to be humans.

So...I don't know anymore. He gets to look like a different type of angel compared to the other winners, and that just makes me assume he's a weak archangel who hasn't had any training. Right?

If that's not the case, then I don't know what else he could be...

[up-in-my-bunghole]

I need Charlie to talk to her people!!

The biggest thing with Charlie this season (and with her character in general) was blind positivity. Her whole idea is that if you try hard enough and believe in yourself and your own goodness enough, it'll happen. But people are more complicated than that, and the reasons for "sin" are convoluted and tangled and heavy with pain.

I need her to talk to Vaggie because DID YOU GUYS SEE THAT FLASHBACK??? It explains how she interacts with others and herself so much more and rewatching season one with that in mind explains the pain behind her demeanor so much more. She was raised in a totalitarian environment, a soldier before a person, and I want Charlie to ask her about it so she can understand the pain that Heaven has caused her and help her heal.

I need Charlie to talk to Angel! Because after the failed redemption that he got pushed into, they didn't get to reconvene (for many reasons) and I need her to see why her actions hurt him. I want them to talk about why the exercises didn't work for him, why he ever got into drugs and risky prostitution in the first place, what his sins meant to him!!!! I don't think Charlie understands why Angel got into these things, and with the exercise in season one with the kid and the crackhead proved to me that she's under the impression that drugs are tempting because they're "cool."

I want Angel to tell he about the harsh reality of addiction, and how no addict wants to be an addict. It's degrading, risky, isolating, and not something people prize. It's a hook in your core that you have no choice but to follow, and for a lot of people it's the only way out of the tragedies in their life. From what Angle has said on the show he uses as a form of self harm and escapism, so I imagine he got into it either from someone offering "a way out", an impulse decision he couldn't take back, or both. I want Angel to be asked about it, humbly and truly, and have him give the reason Valentino has his soul and every tactic he uses to manipulate, isolate, and abuse Angel for his benefit. I want him to let his walls down with her and share every way he has been broken to explain why he is who he is and why he is where he is.

I think Charlie would struggle with the information, of course, but I think it'd make her understand why sinners happen in the first place and therefore understand her role in their redemption much better.

I JUST NEED THEM TO TALK AND LISTEN TO EACH OTHER!!!