#key five

[nymerias-heart3]

Random thought I’ve just had:

I was just making some drawings of asoiaf characters and it just occurred to me that Tyrion as a character would have worked better if he was a few years younger, like 17 or 18 years old at the start of the story.

I think in AGOT he is supposed to be 24 but I feel like this would improve his character and kind of add some more coherence between him and the other main characters in the story. Particularly Jon, Dany, Arya and bran, who are all 10 or more years younger than him. It would also be cool to see a younger version of him and what it’s like for teenage Tyrion to grow up in court. We could also see him still dealing with the trauma of what happened to Tysha.

The only other issues I would see is if I want to keep Joanna dying in childbirth and this negatively affecting Cersei, Jaime and Tywin, you would have to make Jaime and Cersei be younger. Which then gave me the idea of making Cersei be a child bride when she wed Robert and had Joffrey, and Jaime would have been a kid not a teenager when Aerys added him to the kings guard to control Tywin but only to end up getting killed by kid Jaime. This would then change their own interactions with other characters like Robert, the court, Joffrey, ned stark, Sansa, etc.

I don’t know if it would necessarily make the story better but I do think it could be a fun change to play around with.

[fromtheseventhhell]

I’ll never forget how insecure Stansa’s got when the Key Five was revealed, complained about it and then to cope they created the ‘Core Six’ and actually ties into their continuous stream of passing of fanon as canon and at the same time being the usual delusional bunch they’ve always been

What's really funny is that they still confidently claim that the Key Five doesn't mean anything, solely because she isn't a part of it. The Core Six is a completely fanon invention but people talk about it like it's fact. They want her to be more important than she is so badly that they're straight up ignoring the author. And yes, until otherwise stated by George, the Key Five are still a thing. Tbh I'm not sure if there was ever a time that they engaged with the source material though? A lot of them came from the show (*cough*fanfiction) so that's where a majority of their takes are coming from. That's why we get people saying things like "Sansa charmed George off the page" or "Sansa took Arya's place as George's favorite Stark sister". They just desperately want the show to match up with the books. What's annoying is that her not being a part of the Key Five doesn't mean she isn't important, but people take it as hate towards her. It's sad that the only version of her they like is her fanon one.

[mattyalwayssmokesweed]

who do you think is the chosen one in asoiaf?

I think the best thing about ASOIAF, and what most people fail to see, is that there’s no chosen one— there’s five. Everyone from the Key 5 is a chosen one, destined for something specific that will end up coming together in Dreams of Spring.

Daenerys is obviously the Prince that was Promised; Jon is Azor Ahai reborn as he clearly has a connection with the white walkers, and got burned the first time he was attacked by one; Bran is the new greenseer, since he’s with Bloodraven; Arya is the chosen one for the Faceless Men; and Tyrion, I think, is going to be the one that unites all of them and hopefully be some short of “leader” or guide to the other four

[sandrafiver]

[undeadlilies]

The original draft holds very little value today. The Key Five are no longer the main focus but multiple characters now. Certain aspects in the outline were very vague or changed to add more to the characters or story.

For example, the Jon-Arya-Tyrion love triangle was completely removed to making Jon and Arya having a strong platonic relationship while Arya and Tyrion don't know each other.

The Key Five still do hold value in the books but with other pov characters like Sansa, Brienne, and Catelyn, just by focusing on the original Five and their chapters will make it harder to understand the story as a whole.

[aerltarg]

i've finished my (slow and lazy) acok reread and it just strikes me once again how real main characters should act. however much ppl might criticize dany's acok arc she's very active in every chapter, SHE moves the plot, not the other way around. she's doing smth, learning, changing, making a difference.

and the same can be said abt the rest of the key five. while others are lucky to be cameras yk

like certain ppl can get mad however much they want but they can't change the fact that if in someone's pov there are only actions of other characters and sometimes even the lack of respond and reaction from the one whose pov it actually is, then it's just a camera lmao, just a convenient way for the author to describe certain scenes in certain places that can't be shown any other way.

[aryaarianne]

If anybody has any good ideas for ASOIAF FCs from late 20th century films, send them to me! Right now I’m just beginning to compile some from Letterboxd, for possible fancast projects. Ideally I’d be able to do one fairly sized cast list from each decade or otherwise defined era, so reply or message me if you have ever watched an older movie and an actor reminded you of a character (other than Keanu as Jon, since he’s practically a fandom staple, although you’re welcome to send asks about it regardless)! NOT limited by country - if you have a good foreign film FC I’m absolutely here for it.

[jonsnowwesterosworld]

Game of Thrones one year on- why it went wrong- Characters part 2

The key 5 and character perception 

In GRRM original outline he named 5 key characters Tyrion, Daenerys, Bran, Arya and Jon all of whom for different reasons were looked down upon by Westerosi society, with one of the key elements of the story being how these perceptions aren't necessarily correct and how these characters overcome the discrimination that they face. 

But in the show they all end up fulfilling these perceptions which in turn leads to an unsatisfying conclusion for these characters. 

Tyrion

Tyrion is looked down for being a dwarf, he is the demon monkey, kingslayer and kinslayer, he is seen to be treacherous and unworthy of high ranking positions such as Lord of Casterly Rock and is never given the praise he deserves. 

And by the end of the show he is treacherous he turns on Dany and betrays Varys, he is undeserving of being Hand of the King after his terrible job he did as Dany’s hand. 

Daenerys 

Dany was seen by many to be no more than the Mad King’s daughter and like him she too will be mad and she too will burn innocent people alive like her father. 

And by the end of the show they were right she did turn mad like her father and use her dragons to burn innocent people alive.

Bran 

Bran was seen as a cripple to be be useless as he could’t swing a sword or lead men into battle, he is an unfit ruler who people will struggle to respect. 

And by the end of the show his powers, his journey to meet and become the Three Eyed Raven were useless he did nothing in the Battle of Winterfell, to defeat the army of the dead but simply acted as bait for the Night King. He is also an unfit ruler for the Seven Kingdoms as we never see him ruling or show any of the necessary skills needed after coming back from beyond the Wall.

Arya 

Arya is looked down by Westerosi society for being an unladylike lady as she is unable to sing, dance of sew well, she either has to conform or she has no place in society.

And by the end of the show it turns out she has no place in society, she didn’t fit the typical model of being a lady so she didn’t belong, she couldn’t become a councillor or ruling Lady and instead there was no place for her in Westeros so she leaves the continent altogether. 

Jon

Jon is seen as a bastard to be wanton, treacherous and untrustworthy by nature he has no place in Winterfell, higher society or the perfect Stark family so is sent to the Night’s Watch as it is the only place he can rise high in the world and get the recognition any actions may deserve. 

And by the end of the show he was portrayed to be treacherous and untrustworthy when be betrayed and murdered Dany, in the end he had no place in Winterfell, society or the Stark family, he didn’t get the respect or recognition he deserved for uniting people for the long night, he instead got sent to the Night’s Watch as it is the only place he belongs. 

You can see how everybody ended up fulfilling the preconceptions that Westeros had about them, I can’t imagine the story that George is writing is that the people of Westeros were right about these conceptions and to look down at these characters, which is why D&D’s ending leaves such a bitter taste in the mouth.