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Kvothe is a Lackless

I just reread NOTW and Wiseman’s Fear and something I picked up on that I didn’t before is that Kvothe’s mom was not Edema Ruh. She was a noblewoman who eloped with Kvothe’s dad. In one of the few interactions we get between Kvothe and his mom, Kvothe sings a rude song about the Lackless family which really upsets his mom. Maybe she’s only upset because the song is rude, but it could also be that she is a Lackless and has some residual familial loyalty. Later, when we meet Meulan Lackless one of the first things Kvothe learns about her at the Maer’s dinner is that her younger sister (no name given) ran away to marry a trouper which is why Meulan hates the Edema Ruh (besides the general racism that exists towards the Ruh in the NOTW universe. As far as timeline goes, I think it is safe to assume that Meulan is at least in her late twenties (no proof of this but we know the Maer is in his 50s so hopefully she’s out of her teens-early twenties but she still needs to be in her prime years of fertility since that’s the main driver of the need to marry) and her younger sister could be just a year or two younger. A 16-17 year old could run away with a traveling troupe, have a child soon after, and 17 years later be 34 making her older sister 35 which seems reasonable. I know that Kvothe extensively researched the Lackless line but it wouldn’t be odd for such a proud family to erase the name of a wayward younger sister. Meulan never says the name. Why would Rothfuss drop all these hints if not to draw attention to the fact that Kvothe is half Lackless? This would also explain why Kvothe’s dad was able to put together a song about the Chandrian with relative ease compared to Kvothe; the Lackless family clearly has some connection to the Chandrian so there was an early source of information for the song. I don’t know if this will ever be revealed in the text, and it seems unlikely, since I doubt Kvothe will call on the Maer again and he has no other family to ask, but it does add another interesting layer to the mystery of the Chandrian, the Amyr, and the Lackless family.

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The Blac of Drossen Tor

What we know:

- At Drossen Tor there was a battle during the Creation War

- More people died there than are living in the mortal world during Name of the Wind

- Lanre and Lyra fought on one side for the empire Ergen, against a beast

- Finol, a previous wielder of Saicere/Caesura (Kvothe’s Adem sword), fought on one side against daruna and gremmen. She was killed there.

- Lanre also died at Drossen Tor, and Lyra brought him back

- The battle was fought for 3 days and 3 nights, under the sun and the moon.

“Then came the Blac of Drossen Tor. Blac meant ‘battle’ in the language of the time, and at Drossen Tor there was the largest and most terrible battle of this large and terrible war. They fought unceasing for three days in the light of the sun, and for three nights unceasing by the light of the moon. Neither side could defeat the other, and both were unwilling to retreat.

“Of the battle itself I have only one thing to say. More people died at Drossen Tor than there are living in the world today.

“Lanre was always where the fight was thickest, where he was needed the most. His sword never left his hand or rested in its sheath. At the very end of things, covered in blood amid a field of corpses, Lanre stood alone against a terrible foe. It was a great beast with scales of black iron, whose breath was a darkness that smothered men. Lanre fought the beast and killed it. Lanre brought victory to his side, but he bought it with his life.”

- The Name of the Wind, Chapter 26: Lanre Turned, pgs 195-196

“Next came Finol of the clear and shining eye,” I repeated attentively. “Much beloved of Dulcen. She herself slew two daruna, then was killed by gremmen at the Drossen Tor.”

- Wise Man’s Fear, Chapter 125: Caesura, pg 915

What we can speculate:

“Seven things has Lady Lackless Keeps them underneath her black dress One a right that’s not for wearing One a sharp word, not for swearing Right beside her husband’s candle There’s a door without a handle In a box, no lid or locks Lackless keeps her husband’s rocks There’s a secret she’s been keeping She’s been dreaming and not sleeping On a road that’s not for traveling Lackless likes her riddle raveling.” - The Name of the Wind, Chapter 11: The Binding of Iron, pgs 85-86

“Black dress” has a phonetic similarity to “Blac” and “Drossen.” Obviously this is a bit of a reach, but if it is true, it means that under the place where the battle occured are Lady Lackless’s seven things.

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Since both the sun and the moon shone during the 3-day battle, we know it did not occur in the Fae (where the sky does not change daily). Either the battle was fought in the mortal world, or the battle occurred before Jax stole the moon and split the worlds.

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hey, so whoever was previously running @lackless, your accounts been hacked and taken over by a bot who’s been deleting messages and blocking people, idk if you’ll be able to see this or not but if you do I would def update your passwords/info and stuff

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Wait, I'm rereading twmf right now and when Kvothe tells the Maer that he's one of the Edema Ruh and that he knows of Meluan's experience with them he says that her sister ran off with a Ruh. And when young Kvothe in tnotw mindlessly repeats that children's rhyme about Lady Lackless, his mother immediately stops him. I didn't think much of it back then but now I'm wondering whether she's that sister they were talking about! Do you know if that's already been discussed somewhere?

Thank you @philokretes and @resisting-world for your asks!

Many people have posted about this, but this would not be a good Kingkiller blog if I didn’t talk about one of the most popular theories out there: Kvothe’s mother is the missing Lackless sister, Netalia Lackless.

Evidence

I’d started the second bottle of wine by the time I read that young Netalia Lackless had run away with a troupe of traveling performers. Her parents had disowned her, of course, leaving Meluan the only heir to the Lackless lands. That explained Meluan’s hatred of the Ruh, and made me doubly glad I hadn’t made my Edema blood public here in Severen.- The Wise Man’s Fear, Chapter 74: Rumors, pg 554

“You said your mom made your dad sleep under the wagon for singing the verse about the sheep. Did she really?”

“It’s mostly a figure of speech,” I said. “But once she really did.”

I didn’t often think of my early life in my troupe, back when my parents were alive. I avoided the subject the same way a cripple learns to keep the weight off an injured leg. But Sim’s question brought a memory bubbling to the surface of my mind.

“It wasn’t for singing ‘Tinker Tanner,’” I found myself saying. “It was a song he’d written about her….”

I was quiet for a long moment. Then I said it. “Laurian.”

It was the first time I’d said my mother’s name in years. The first time since she’d been killed. It felt strange in my mouth.

Then without really meaning to, I began to sing.

“Dark Laurian, Arliden’s wife,Has a face like the blade of a knifeHas a voice like a pricklebrown burrBut can tally a sum like a moneylender.My sweet Tally cannot cookBut she keeps a tidy ledger-book.For all her faults, I do confessIt’s worth my lifeTo make my wifeNot tally a lot less…”

I felt oddly numb, disconnected from my own body. Strangely, while the memory was sharp, it wasn’t painful.

“I can see how that might earn a man a place under the wagon,” Wilem said gravely.

“It wasn’t that,” I heard myself saying. “She was beautiful, and they both knew it. They used to tease each other all the time. It was the meter. She hated the awful meter.”- Wise Man’s Fear, Chapter 36: All This Knowing pg 303

“My lady wife has had unfortunate dealings with the Ruh in the past,” he said by way of explanation. “You would do well to note.”

“I know of her sister. Her family’s tragic shame. Run off and love a trouper. How terrible,” I said scathingly, my entire body prickling with hot rage. “Her sister’s sense does credit to her family; less so the actions of your lady wife. My blood is worth as much as any man’s, and more than most. And even were it not, she has no leave to treat me as she did.”

Alveron’s expression hardened. “I rather think that she has leave to treat you as she will,” he said. “She was simply startled by your sudden proclamation. Given her feelings about you ravel, I think she showed remarkable restraint.”

“I think she rues the truth. A trouper’s tongue has gotten her to bed more quickly than her sister.”- Wise Man’s Fear, Chapter 139: Lockless, pg 1025

My father was a better actor and musician than any you have ever seen. My mother had a natural gift with words. They were both beautiful, with dark hair and easy laughter. They were Ruh down to their bones, and that, really, is all that needs to be said.

Save perhaps that my mother was a noble before she was a trouper. She told me my father had lured her away from “a miserable dreary hell” with sweet music and sweeter words. I could only assume she meant Three Crossings, where we went to visit relatives when I was very young. Once.- Name of the Wind, Chapter 8: Thieves, Heretics, and Whores, pg 59

One evening as I was building up my parents’ cookfire, my mother caught me chanting a rhyme I had heard the day before. Not knowing that she was behind me, she overheard as I knocked one stick of firewood against another and absentmindedly recited:

Seven things has Lady LacklessKeeps them underneath her black dressOne a ring that’s not for wearingOne a sharp word, not for swearingRight beside her husband’s candleThere’s a door without a handleIn a box, no lid or locksLackless keeps her husband’s rocksThere’s a secret she’s been keepingShe’s been dreaming and not sleepingOn a road, that’s not for travelingLackless likes her riddle raveling.“

I had heard a little girl chant it as she played hop-skip. I’d only heard it twice, but it had stuck in my head. It was memorable, as most child rhymes are.

But my mother heard me and came over to stand by the fire. "What were you just saying, sweet?” Her tone wasn’t angry, but I could tell she wasn’t pleased either.

….

My mother was silent for a while, and I was beginning to hope she would leave it alone, when she said, “It’s not a nice thing to be singing. Have you stopped to think what it’s about?”

I hadn’t, actually. It seemed mostly nonsense rhyme. But when I ran it back through my head, I saw the rather obvious sexual innuendo. “I do. I didn’t think about it before.”

Her expression grew a little gentler, and she reached down to smooth my hair, “Always think about what you’re singing, honey.”

I seemed to be out of trouble, but I couldn’t keep from asking, “How is it any different than parts of For All His Waiting? Like when Fain asks Lady Perial about her hat? 'I heard about it from so many men I wished to see it for myself and try the fit.’ It’s pretty obvious what he’s really talking about.”

I watched her mouth grow firm, not angry, but not pleased. Then something in her face changed. “You tell me what the difference is,” she said.

I hated bait questions. The difference was obvious: one would get me in trouble, the other wouldn’t. I waited a while to make it clear I had given the matter proper consideration before I shook my head.

My mother knelt lightly in front of the fire, warming her hands. “The difference is… go fetch the tripod, would you?” She gave me a gentle push, and I scampered off to get it from the back of our wagon as she continued, “The difference is between saying something to a person, and saying something about a person. The first might be rude, but the second is always gossip.”

I brought the tripod back and helped her set if over the fire. “Also, Lady Perial is just a character. Lady Lackless is a real person, with feelings that can be hurt.”- Name of the Wind, Chapter 11: The Binding of Iron, pgs 86-87

The roads were safer in those days, but cautious folk would still travel with our troupe for safety’s sake. They supplemented my education. I learned an eclectic smattering of Commonwealth law from a traveling barrister too drunk or too pompous to realize he was lecturing an eight-year-old. I learned woodcraft from a huntsman named Laclith who traveled with us for nearly a whole season.- Name of the Wind, Chapter 8: Thieves, Heretics, and Whores, pg 60

* Note: Laclith also appears in Kvothe's dream after his troupe's murder. This is two mentions for a seemingly insignificant character, and the second mention is during a pivotal moment of Kvothe's life, in a dream that might be a vision.- Name of the Wind, Chapter 18: Roads to Safe Places, pg 136

“Here it is. The family was called Leoclos or Loklos, or Loeloes. They all translate the same, Lockless. Spelling was rather less important in those days.”

….

“It’s generally accepted that there was some sort of falling-out that splintered the family. Each piece took on a separate name. In Atur they became the Lack-key family. They were numerous, but fell on hard times. That’s where the word "lackey” comes from, you know. All those paupered nobility forced to scrape and bow to make ends meet.

“In the south they became the Lacliths, who slowly spiraled into obscurity. The same with the Kaepcaen in Modeg. The largest piece of the family was here in Vintas, except Vintas didn’t exist back then.”- Wise Man’s Fear, Chapter 62: Crisis, pg 467

Summary

The missing Lackless daughter, Netalia Lackless, ran off some years ago with a traveling performer, prompting her sister Meluan to hate the Edema Ruh.

Kvothe’s mother, Laurian, was a noble before marrying Arliden. Arliden’s song ends with the line “Not tally a lot less,” which is phonetically similar to “Netalia Lackless.” Laurian made him sleep under the wagon for singing it. While she might have hated the meter enough to make her to this, that seems a bit strong of a reaction. It’s more likely she was angry at him for bringing up her past identity, or risking her exposure.

Laurian also takes it personally when Kvothe sings an inappropriate song about Lady Lackless, who is either Netalia, Meluan, or their mother/other female relative.

Finally, a huntsman named Laclith traveled with Baron Greyfallow’s men when Kvothe was younger. Part of the Lackless family became the Laclith family long ago. They "spiraled into obscurity," so it's possible Laclith and Laurian did not recognize each other if they were relatives, but it also seems like a weird coincidence. It's possible Laclith was a Vintish Lackless, and traveled with them as a bodyguard for Laurian, under the name Laclith.

TL;DR

Based on textual evidence, Laurian, Kvothe's mother, is probably the missing Lackless heir, Netalia Lackless.

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So this happened while I was at a cubs game…and it’s glorious

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Here is an Obvious One

Meluan Lackless? You know the lady Kvothe successfully swooned…well one word for you: Incest.(sort of) Yeah that’s his Aunt…or at least I believe it to be his Aunt…should I lay out some clues for this conclusion? May as well

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Effort =/= Erasure

So usual I don’t really serious stuff on my blog, but as I see someone constantly bringing up a non-issue to try and make an artists seem like “the villain”, I. AM. PISSED.

An artist draws a character she likes. She makes the effort to go out of her comfort zone and draw the character as accurately as possible while remaining within the boundaries of her style (in this case, it’s the boundaries of pretty accurate anatomy that cartoon characters tend not to lean towards.) Despite her effort, she is told that she “hates fat people” and must fix her picture. She apologizes for the fact that the character is not as accurate as they can be and they ask for help in fixing it. She adjusts the picture and finishes it, the character looks beautiful and regal, as she should.

The artist is then told that she is assisting in fat erasure.

Fat erasure is the taking of larger characters and making them thinner intentionally or unintentionally to make them “prettier.”

But taking the effort to make the character look beautiful and large isn’t erasure. It is what it says on the tin, effort.

#lackless #rose quartz #rant #sorry for ranting #this is all Im going to say

This things really piss me off.

Greetings,

It’s Hoshie Mononoke. Long-time not to see you. I’m writing this because I saw what happened to Lackless this last week and I feel like sharing my opinion but also hoping to throw some reason in all what occurred to her.

To begin with I want to clarify that I DO NOT support extreme fitness neither extreme obesity. Both of them are serious psychotic illness, which can put your own life in danger. Related to this I want to point out that there is no reason at all supporting these kind of habits. You shouldn’t support something like people getting fatter and fatter to the point of madness reaching 200 pounds of weight and saying this is great or normal. No, this is not good at all, you can say heart-attack should be normal issue in the world, physical dependence, illnesses due to a bad alimentation, or height mortality risk as some kind of natural reality, or something that won’t be so bad nowadays. Think about the possibility of a world just like you imagine, who is going to trust to fly in a public vehicle whose driver could have an attack any moment, or who is going to save people from an accident or from a fire when you can’t move as fast and quick as a trained fire-fighter can, and so on. This world is not good, or possible, more over this world is dangerous. But it happened the same the other way around: extreme fitness is not an ally, you can die for so many reason and suffer many illnesses due to the lack of vitamins, proteins, and resources found in aliments. You can lost your conciseness any moment, or finding yourself so week that you can’t move any single inch of you “beautiful” skinny body. I think you can figure out what could happened in a world dominated by extreme skinny people. Those images are worlds where I don’t want to live in. It is not that you have to go to gym every single day, it isn’t like you even have to enter in a gym. You don’t have to be one of those body-builders of the magazines or those celebrities who spend their entire life glorifying their bodies as monuments. I don’t have the time nor interest to be like them. Body is something material and now I’m going to quote something that I saw in Twitter last week “in this world people was made to be loved and things to be used, the problem of this world is that things are loved and people is been used” , so it means for me that I don’t have to love the body of someone or even my very own body, I have to love the person behind the meat and bones, as a result the rest remains to stay healthy enough for living as much years as possible by the side the one(s) you love. So it’s hard for me to understand how someone could defend a position in which you are in favour of one of those images. It’s not like all of us have to stay fat or skinny, it’s to stay healthy. It doesn’t matter if your rounded, tall, big, small, sharped as long as you stay healthy. I’m not skinny nor chubby, I’m normal people, with my weigh, my height, and my health which not respond to those tag generated by society to determine if I’m satisfied with my body or not.

Well, now that I established my position towards this theme I’m going to focus in Lackless situation. First you have to notice two things in her: first she is a human being, and second, she is an artist. Now that you realized these things I can tell you that the first word is related to the fact that SHE’S FREE to make whatever she wants to do as long as she doesn’t harm to hurt anybody with her liberty. The second term is related to her right as an artist as represent reality as she want because that’s what artist do, they create reality, or they represent it as they what to, because there are more eyes in this world, not only yours, so that means that you have to be open-minded and accept the fact that people see the world on a different way, maybe opposite to yours. And focusing on art, it’s not a matter who is right or not, it’s a matter of on the assumption that it’s not aimed to offended anybody, respect the piece of art, the artist, and his/her point of view of the world. For instance, I don’t like the way Japanese manga industry treat female body, with those super giant teats, those perfect stylized bodies, and those antiaging faces. But I understand it’s not made to harm women nor anybody but to please men and anyone who likes those images. I don’t like them, I think they are disrespectful, but this is my point of view, Japanese men have their own point of view and surely you have yours. And as these images are created not to keep women under oppression but to please Japanese men desire I can’t threat Japanese authors, telling them that they should stop drawing and taking down their own dreams and ambitions. They want girls like these and that’s fine for me, it’s way better they create fictional supergirls instead of violating real girls. I figure out that (because I’m not Lackless so I can’t say what she was really thinking about) Lackless only wanted to share her love for the series Steven Universe with its fandom on internet. She probably draw the character she most love (or maybe was for the design idk) and upload a W.I.P. in Tumblr in order to get some opinions about the way the character was being drawn. But far from finding nice feedback she found many people telling her that “how she dared to draw that specific character “so skinny” when in the series she is the biggest chubby character”, “she should apologize for treating fat people like this”, “that she hate fat people” (lmof this one), “that she should look up for references before drawing fat people”, and many other comments that I won’t post because of their silliness. Well let me tell you, people who consider yourselves fans from Lackless’ art, that you should tags yourselves TROLLS rather than fans from nothing. How could you have done this to her? It’s not like you can’t tell someone you don’t like something they are working on, or that you can’t tell an artist that this last piece should be more elaborated because there are a few part that may don’t look so great as the rest of the picture does, or that you can’t even say simply that this time you don’t like her art. Instead of constructive critiques or nice advices you treated her like something less than human, (I was going to say shit but I remember that I’m trying to be polite even though you people do not deserve it) almost demonizing her as if you want make other believe that she hate something when it’s not true. First of all she pick up a character for whatever reason and asked for your opinion, not for your shit. Secondly, who you think you are for treating someone like this? Thirdly, SHE IS an ARTIST, but before that she is a human, so it means that she have feelings, and you ignore or slip them like nothing. Fourthly, she can do whatever she wants because she wasn’t aiming to hurt any of you, nevertheless she was hoping for some advice or critique because artist aren’t perfect and most of the time –always- they‘re so unsure about what they are drawing that need the voice of SOMEONE NICE to lead their feelings about the drawing and to enforce those weak points in it. You could say “yes, but I was helping her because I told her to look for references and studies in Google to make that character to look better” but have you even though on the possibility that she may represent character like this because is HER VISION OF THE CHARACTER AND NOT YOURS? Or maybe that she is not trying to make something so realistic and in the process of this stylization she missed the essence you liked from the character but remains the same character after all because all we have a different version/opinion of all single aspect of life giving the so many nuances that it becomes richer and more interesting? No, of course you haven’t. You were so focused on destroying her as artist that you even realised her feelings.

Maybe she was truly trying to represent that character with all her weigh and her curves and she failed. So what? Is that artist have to draw everything perfect? That they can’t make mistakes? Well in that case you should tell her that “the character doesn’t look a chubby as you like her/him to be like but it’s okay, as MAYBE it’s your first time drawing a character with this kind of anatomy”. “If you feel like representing fat people more accurately or trying to make your work more realistic I recommend you to look up for references and tutorials on the internet so NEXT TIME you draw something like this it won’t be too hard to achieve what you were maybe trying to represent”. Or “It’s not my work as a fan to tell you that you should look up for references before drawing something complicated or that you aren’t used to it but I do it because I’m YOUR FAN and I WANT YOU TO IMPROVE and to continue delighting me with your art instead of treating you like a miserable creature who mistreated fat people”. Yeah, you’re maybe right and it’s not your work to remind the artist to look for references but IT ISN’T ARTIST WORK TO DRAW WHAT YOU LIKE, because Lackess was drawing for herself to enjoy painting this character and she doesn’t earn anything by drawing that so she is doing it for fun. SHE MUSTN’T DRAW AS YOU LIKE BECAUSE YOU AREN’T PAYING ANYTHING TO HER TO FOLLOW YOU REQUIREMENTS. So you just shut up and try to find the way of helping her without being an asshole, rude, impolite or a troll. Artist aren’t perfect, they don’t know everything, THEY CAN MAKE MISTAKES and not knowing to search for references or thinking they can draw anything using only their mind but that isn’t reason for treating artist such hurtfully. Aren’t you ashamed on how you treat people? Aren’t you ashamed on how you use the mask of privacy of internet for destroying human beings? I’m sure Lackless is so smart and strong that she won’t give up for such comments but you have to realize how harmful your words can be.

If this words doesn’t mean anything to you try to put in Lackless’ feet: you post your art on line hoping to get some feedback and surprisingly –I mean it a pleasant surprise finding someone who actually tell you that he/she likes your work which encourage you to continue posting your work online because it means that there is someone out there who wait to hear news from you, who actually care about what is going on within your mind- you find someone who like your work, you put a lot of effort –find someone who actually like it and you feel confident enough to continue like this till the day you post a W.I.P. online expecting to hear people saying “you are doing just fine” or “maybe you should point out a little bit more chubby checks so it will look more chubby” and that kind of nice feedback but what you see is trolls in which you trusted because they seemed nice people at first who now not only discourage you to continue the picture but also they are trying you to stop what you most like which is draw and share. How do you feel then? Does it feel nice? Does it hurt when people try to humiliate you to the point that you lose totally your confidence? If you don’t believe she hasn’t even tried to accomplish the right image of the character, please, do us a favour and try to draw everything she has drawn, and then, try to tell us that it was “so easy” to draw many different things and you master every single aspect of art. She isn’t maybe perfect on portraying fatness or roundness, but she has tried and also she is very talented and she’s many other skills, you people have ignored only focusing on her non-perfect representation of fat people. It’s hard to open your mind to critiques and even harder to receive them in a positive way without consider them as a personal attack. But with people like you there is no point in showing artwork or any kind of creation because you’ll de-value the hard work it takes but also preventing the artist to share his/her work again. With that kind of reaction no you but the artist, respectful fans and the entire world may will lose one of those points of view that I told you about before. It’s a shame, really a shame that people like you who treat artist like this have the right of even posting your opinion/shit online so that other can read it. Pity you, you will never know the satisfaction of someone thanking your dedication to something because you lack the value of hard work and the concept of value itself. Pity of you, because you are no longer humans, you are creatures who devalue the concept of humanity to the point of not knowing yourselves but also preventing other to know as human.