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“I am going to be so normal about this,” I say, as if I don’t know I’ve abandoned normal 3 hyperfixations ago.
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Hi!! First love all your meta! It’s so fascinating to read and as a film student a lot of your analysis is how I’ve analyzed it though there’s always something I didn’t notice that you did!
Quick question - you mentioned waiting 8 seasons for a ship where one married and had a kid then they got together and one died…and it sounds just so familiar but I can’t put my finger on it. What show / ship was that?? (Btw I agree with everything else in that post lol)
Hi, lovely Nonnie! Awwww, thank you so much for the kind words! :D Ooooh, you're a film student, I'm sure you're kicking ass at your studies, and I hope you're enjoying it, too! Please never hesitate to come talk to me about anything film related if you feel like it, I love TV and films in general. And I'm so glad we analyze Buddie the same way, and thrilled I can still add something new to the mix! *hugs big*
Oooh. OK, IDK if there's more than one show out there that fits that description, though I suspect the answer is sadly yes, 'coz TV showrunners can be pricks, but in my case, I was referring to The Blacklist, and the ship is Ressler and Liz (aka Keenler).
I wasn't gonna ramble about them, 'coz while I've watched the entire show, I was never an active part of the fandom, but since I got this ask... Let me just preface this by saying I think TBL is an excellent show, but it IS set in a dark world, so it’s not necessarily for everyone, unlike 911. Also, I will ramble for a sec, but I promise everything I’ll say will relate to Buddie at the end.
So, one of the things that makes TBL excellent is it's a show built around a central mystery, that they manage to make complex enough in order to stretch the mystery over 8 years, and yet the solution we learn in eps 821/822 (the finale of s8) is so organic that it actually fits EVERYTHING, all the little clues, insanely well, down to what seems like nonsensical throwaway comments in s1, and making even clues that seemed to contradict each other finally make sense and fit together. But that requires A LOT of planning ahead. I'm not saying things didn't change along the road when it comes to the exact sequence of steps that led to solving the mystery, some things did, like Liz's actress getting pregnant and that being written into the show, but the end goal of what the solution was and how all the pieces of the mystery puzzle fit together, and what elements would be necessary to get us there, they clearly had that goal in mind and it never changed, allowing them to plant hints, partial reveals and promises in such an effective manner along the way.
This amount of planning ahead is also relevant to Keenler. 'Coz when I watched s1, at first I didn't notice Ressler and Liz. TBL built such a mystery around Tom for Liz to decipher, it didn't look like she was even noticing anyone else, while Ressler had a laser focus on Red (after all, he's been chasing Red for 5 years). But by ep 104, it's Ressler's arms that Liz allows herself to fall apart in, and it's clear he probably already liked her to some degree (the way he checks up on her a little earlier in that ep is SO tender), but when Liz lets go, you can tell that this really managed to break through the walls he had built around himself. Still, what sealed things for me, that the show was planning on doing something with Liz and Ressler at some point, was ep 105. Because it seems to be keeping Liz completely preoccupied with the Tom mystery, yet you can tell she's taken a real interest in Ressler, unlike anything she was showing towards any other Task Force member at that point. It made the special attention they're paying to each other mutual, and highlighted their bond. So 105 is when I became convinced something is coming for these two. I just didn't know when.
Lemme tell you, I did not expect the show to drag out things with Tom - when he's clearly implied to be the wrong guy for Liz from the start - for as long as they did, and to throw in a wedding and a baby, too. Seriously, everyone shipping Keenler deserves a medal. And if you think we only have crumbs with Buddie at times, with Keenler we had microscopic ones. I once went an entire season on the way Liz looked at the spot on her arm that Ressler touched while he tried to comfort and reassure her. But I kept in mind that by ep 301, Ressler's feelings for Liz were kinda canon in my book. Red, whose devoted parental love for Liz is one of the reasons I kept watching, mentions the importance of Ressler's feelings for Liz (though he doesn't explicitly call those feelings love, which means that it's still not technically canon, the way Red words it when he could have talked about the importance of Ressler's friendship or loyalty to Liz, that's why I think it is subtextually canon from this point on). So what I took from this was that Ressler is already in love with Liz, that Red knows (and quietly approves, which is echoed in the talk he and Ressler have in ep 901), and that if Ressler wasn't aware of his own feelings before, he had to be aware of them after Red's words.
And yet, we still had to wait until 717 for Liz to explicitly express how much Ressler means to her, that she can't live without him, and until 801 for them to even kiss.
But the reason why we had to wait so long is a part of what makes this ship so good! Because the first 8 seasons of TBL are about the tragedy of Liz, whose fate is to a great degree shaped by the lies and manipulations of key people in her life. Some lie to her because they believe they're protecting her (like Red and Dom), while others lie to her 'coz they want something from her (like Tom and Tatiana Petrova). But as Liz says when she finally confesses her love in 819, Ressler was the one person who didn't lie to her, who was just there for her. That makes him truly stand out in her life. But it's more than that. What Tom wanted from Liz was her love and he didn't care what he had to do in order to get it, he was willing to lie, manipulate, kill and even put Liz in harm's way in order to be with her. Ressler, in contrast, never wants anything from Liz. He never demands anything from her, not even her love. He's content to be in her life and love her while being 'just a friend'. He loves her so long and so quietly, so unassuming and undemanding, it breaks my heart. He's made aware of his own feelings by 301 at the latest, and yet at the end of s3 he has to watch Liz marry another man. More than that, Ressler physically put himself between her and a rain of bullets so she could marry that other man. Just think about those levels of quiet devotion and love, not once complaining or asking for things to be different.
And it's exactly why he's the right man for Liz. Those literal YEARS of the ship being nothing more than hints and subtextual promises for something at some point in the vague future, they happen for a reason (as much as I wish Ressler and Liz got more time together before her actress left the show).
Ressler is in love with Liz for years, and when they finally happen, it's because she's finally ready for it. He's the one person who lets her decide her own fate. So even then, after Liz first kisses him, Ressler makes no demands or assumptions, he lets her decide what step to take next and when. To me, that makes their love story even more beautiful, as short and as tragic as their canon time ends up being. Because you just get how much it means, and you also know that to Ressler every moment they spent together counted, even before Liz kissed him. I am never gonna be normal about how much those two love each other (Liz too, even before she figured it out. The way she was there for Ressler and cared about him long before she worked out what it means and what they could have together).
And now I'm gonna circle back to Buddie, 'coz here's the thing. After roughly 3.5 years of Buddie, we CANONICALLY have more explicitly deep and meaningful moments between Buck and Eddie (I mean, the legal guardian talk ALONE, I wail) than we ever got with Keenler during the first 7 seasons of TBL. And the other Love Interests that Buddie got so far have been far less impactful or developed than Tom was. So if TBL could make good on its own promises and hints along the years, and let Keenler go canon as a couple, by all accounts Buddie should as well. I'm saying, I'm actually weirdly good with calling out ships early on. When the two characters are each canonically attracted to the gender of the other one, I almost never miss, no matter how long it takes for the ship to go canon and what they have to go through in order to get there. And those ships usually end up being the endgame ones, too. Here and there, I even managed to correctly call out a ship that went canon even though this entailed a same-sex attraction reveal. I've also had same-sex ships that I knew would never go canon, but I could usually tell the show would only ever hint at the couple and play around with the subtext, but it would never actually go there (for example, Supernatural). So really, if Buck and Eddie were canonically queer, or an opposite sex couple, I would have had no doubt that they would happen. And when comparing them to canon ships like Keenler, I also have no doubt Buddie should happen. And that they could, even after years of appearing as if they never would and in spite of many other LIs, even seemingly really significant ones. Will they? That's a mystery I can't solve, not yet, though I CAN tell you that I don't have that sense I had with SPN that there's no way the show would ever go there. We just gotta wait, watch and find out. But this is another little piece from me to all of you, about why I have faith and why Buddie def are the right fit for each other (as I mentioned repeatedly in my seasons 1 to 3a Buddie meta).
Sorry for the length, thank you for the ask and please have a look at my ask tag if you're looking for another ask reply. xoxox
I saw your posts about buddie and blacklist. What happened in the blacklist season 8 finale? I was wondering if you could explain how things wrapped up because the articles I read are confusing and some don't think it was done well.
Hi Nonnie! I hope you enjoyed those posts! :D
OK, I'll give a vague answer and, if after reading it , you wanna progress, there's more UNDER THE CUT, with the warning there will be TBL SPOILERS, including the solution to the show's main mystery (who Red is to Liz) spelled out explicitly, as well as GENDER discussion. Be sure you wanna read before you click the cut!
So my vague answer is, IMO the s8 finale was really well executed. The reason why the articles seem confusing is because the mystery solution wasn't spelled out, it was hinted at. IMO, it was hinted at with such thick hints that it was impossible to miss the solution (and from what I can tell, even people who reject the solution still had to entertain it), but as long as the show didn't come out and say, "Red is... [redacted]", the articles can't either, plus I imagine they think they'll have more readership if they continue to write about the mystery in speculative terms, as if it hadn't been solved.
But the solution is awesome. It's awesome in the sense that it makes all the puzzle pieces fit together right, it's awesome in the sense that it highlights the amazing meaning of the entire show, it's awesome in that you can go back to s1, watch it and catch throwaway lines that suddenly make so much more sense or mean so much more...
That doesn't mean everything that happened in 822 is happy. If that were the case, there'd probably be no s9 (which is currently airing). But 822 IS a really good and (in terms of storytelling) satisfying conclusion to an 8 season mystery. I personally would recommend it to anyone who liked The Blacklist in general...
Different anon but wanted to add on the other anons thoughts about is Buddie obvious or not.
My thing is like if it was just one incident you can explain it away. Like the Santas Elf scene for a start. If there was only that little nod I would just be like kind of explainable because maybe Buck was being polite. I can't say I wouldn't have actually acted the same in that moment. No one wants to come off like eww homophobic you know?
But the problem is there is all the small nods, to many to count honesty that leave hints. Even back when Lena bailed Eddie out of jail and Eddie made a point to distinguish Buck from the 118. Then there are the huge hints. Hello Christopher's gaurdian ext.
And I would like to think 911 is one of the few shows that wouldn't bait that way or continue to do so after realizing what was happening. Especially now that we even have quite a few mainstream news articles about it.
Hi Nonnie! Thank you for replying to this post.
And yes, I agree, there's def an effect we can't ignore when it comes to how many Buddie hints and subtextually significant moments we get. Look at this compilation alone, never mind all of the accumulated meta I have been writing for Buddie for literal years now! (which yes, also included a reference to how Eddie singles out Buck when Lena bails him out of jail)
There's just no way for most viewers to turn a blind eye to all this, not even casual ones. The amount of anecdotes I've heard about casual viewers mistakenly thinking Buddie are a canon couple, or hearing how many non-fandom viewers (including straight men) also want them to get together says so much IMO!
And I agree with you, I'd also like to think that about 911, and tend to feel like it wouldn't be that kind of a show. Shows that in the past seemed to me to clearly and intentionally be delving into queerbaiting have always been show that were either based in a het canon that can't be changed, so a queer ship can only be added in in subtext (such as the BBC's Merlin) or shows that are so enamored with certain ideas about masculinity (or seem to think their viewers are) that they will happily indulge in subtext, because that brings some fans to the table, but they won't actually follow through on it (and Supernatural fell into this category for me. Yes, it did portray homosexual individuals positively, but it's own hyper-masculine lead, Dean? He could never be allowed to be canonically gay or bi. There could be hints, but they always had to be hints, jokes or what other characters fell for Dean, not something he would ever be allowed to explicitly express).
In this context, I wanna mention The Blacklist again, because its ultimate reveal, presented at the end of s8, while not being in the context of a queer ship, well... it is one that undermines the notion of the hyper-masculine lead. And I have to admit, it's why when I contemplated this possible solution to the show's main mystery, somewhere mid s7, I also dismissed it. I thought the show would never go there 'coz TBL too seemed pretty in love with that notion. So imagine me watching the first 5 or 10 minutes of ep 821 and realizing that yes, they ARE going there. I guess my surprise over the show's bravery was actually bigger than my surprise at the solution! Well, I was still half right, because while the solution was pretty clearly hinted in the most obvious ways possible at the end of eps 821 and 822 (down to the musical choices the show made), TBL didn't explicitly state it. Still, the hints were so thick, I believe most viewers got it, and even the ones who reject the real solution had to at least entertain it. And that gives me a lot of hope, especially since TBL is a show that started airing back in 2013. It's a sign that even shows that seem to be in love with the whole heteronormative hyper-masculine thing are capable of doing better.
Also! I forgot to mention this before, but TBL is actually more relevant to Buddie than I first realized! Kriesten Reidel, 911′s executive producer recently promoted to co-showrunner along with Tim, worked as a producer on TBL for a while, even writing a few eps, which means she must have known what the solution was and was down with it. And she has also included in her eps key moments for the very slow burn love story of Ressler and Liz, making everything I wrote about them in my previous TBL ask even more relevant to Buddie. And yes, she also wrote some awesome Buddie moments, like in 301 (Eddie has a key to Buck’s apartment, Eddie worrying about Buck’s wellbeing and choosing to help him by bringing Chris over, etc) and 503 (Eddie informing Buck he’s promptly taking Buck’s advice and breaking up with Ana before Eddie even does it).
So if that’s what TBL can do and 911 ISN'T ones of those shows that seem preoccupied with maintaining that hyper-masculine notion alive (we see it not just with the queer rep in both OG and LS, we also see it in the way that so many of the straight male characters are the opposite of the typical toxic masculine character, which stands out even more precisely because first responders are working in a field that's considered pretty hyper-masculine), just imagine what 911 is capable of! So yes, Nonnie. I'm with you, I have a lot of hope that 911 will treat Buddie and us right!
Sorry for the length, thank you for the ask and please have a look at my ask tag if you're looking for another ask reply. xoxox