#non-vegan

[vox-is-me]

Im not a vegetarian or cannibal or anything but cannibalism is more moral than carnivorism, change my mind

[javaveggiedude]

Yes, Why?

[theonlinevegan]

[kermittheclown]

I wish y’all would be vegan in peace and not be anti-black, anti-Indigenous and antisemitic and stop shaming poor people and y’all non-vegan would be non-vegans in peace and not fake care about undoc immigrants (which a lot of y’all use as a gotcha for vegans instead of talking about the system which creates the underpaid exploitative labor which also happens at meat processing plants). Like the convos are never productive cause they miss the points and start blaming individuals when it’s literally the systems such as capitalism and racism.

[imaybeveganbutimnotpeta]

According to someone on the Internet, I can't include animal products in my life the way I have been since going vegan, so perhaps I'm just not a vegan anymore?

[a-obnoxious-vegans-blog]

Vegan food is basically non-vegan food but less cruel and slightly more healthy at this point.

It’s so cool how the longer you’re vegan the less vegan you feel (In a social outcast kind of way).

last night at a restaurant I had a caesar salad, baked brie with red pepper jelly and caramelized onions on toast, cream of broccoli soup, and the person that was with me had a beyond meat burger. It’s so easy to forget you’re vegan with such great food that tastes like the non-vegan options. And today I had basically an egg Mcmuffin with bacon but vegan and a chicken cordon bleu. This shit is all veganized and tasted so damn good. I’m so happy I don’t have to kill the animals or the planet for it !!!  ( btw I dont always eat like this that is hella unhealthy but damn so goood ) 

[downtoearthfitness]

When vegans try to convert me to their plant-based diets:

[cheesetitan]

This sites oversimplification of arguments that vegans have against consumption of animal goods and making it seem like veganism is solely some white people trend that is based on missing understanding of agriculture is just as stupid and oversimplified as vegans saying that all people who consume animal products are demons and unethical.

Like i remember one post about the milk industry, a vegan person said that “cows get raped for milk” and people argued that they produce too much milk anyway and that there are ethical ways to consume milk but everyone ignored the point entirely. Was it an exaggerated and inappropriate way to express what happens in the milk industry? Absolutely. Does it have some kernel of truth, yes it does. Most people who consume milk can’t afford to buy ethically sourced milk, and for a cow to produce milk it needs to have given birth. In the big industry that is made by forced insamination, (neither the male nor the female animal are treated well in this scenario btw). Now what happens after? The cows gets impregnated, they give birth, and the first thing that happens is that their calf is taken from them so that their milk can be sold. Depending on wether the calf can become a milk cow later or not they either get put in the meat industry or are introduced later on in the milk industry.

There absolutely are farms that let the cows keep the calfs and that treat them with respect, but those farms are extremely insufficient when compared to factory farming. Their prices are much higher and many can’t afford that. Now the solution would be a systemic change in which food supply, animal rights, and human rights are focus points and protected, but that is exactly what many vegans demand. Most understand that not everyone can be vegan, because if you can’t afford ethical milk products you can’t really afford a vegan lifestyle either, but that’s why many demand a systemic change.

It’s sort of similar with eggs, the living conditions in which factory farmed egg-chickens are kept are horrendous, plus if they find fertilized eggs they let them hatch. If they are female chicks they get put right back into the egg-industry, if they are male chicks they get shredded.

Plus the excessive use of hormones and steroids on animals in which they get bred to such extremes that they die due to these breeding practices.

An argument can be made that all these practices at least make use of a great part of the animal, but it’s the whole thing around it that’s fucked up, and it’s the fact that some of these issues could be solved relatively easily.

Most people aren’t denying that there are ethical ways to consume animal products, but it takes a lot of luck to have them available to you, and it’s not available for a majority of the population. Ignoring these facts is just a way to deny credibility to any sort of talking point that comes from a vegan, and it’s not a solution to the problem either way.

Same goes for the people then arguing that vegan products are also unethical many times due to cruel labor conditions. No one is denying that, and this also absolutely takes part in the vegan political agenda. The problem is that most people who get highlighted in these conversations aren’t people who care for the bigger political agenda but rather people who are just weird. It’s as if you’d invite a terf to talk about feminism, in the sense that these people are stuck in a personal hatred for others and a superiority complex that makes them blind to the actual problems, but they live out their personal vendetta and that’s the only thing they care about. And since they’re weird about it and the majority of people already want to disagree with the group that they “represent” no one looks at the actual political talking points the movements make.

Obviously feminism and animal welfare are entirely different things, and this isn’t supposed to be a comparison as much as help for explaining my thoughts on the matter. And also just so it’s clear terfs are definitely a much greater threat overall than any weird vegan could be, it’s very lose imagery that i tried to use. And idk weird isn’t really the right word either, but i don’t know what would be more fitting, i mean something along the lines of “people who have very radical opinions that aren’t based in any sort of facts” (radical opinions can be good if based on facts too fyi)

Tl;dr: i’m pissed that talking points about animal welfare aren’t taken the least bit serious and are only looked at on the surface and not beyond.