#op chapter 1157

[ladymochimochi]

BABY KATAKURIIIIIII

[anmechokola]

(SPOILERS FOR CHAPTER 1157)

She's so fucking smart I love her

[whateverthought]

One Piece Chapter 1157 Theory

The way they describe Shakky as 'A Treasure thats the target of Theft' and how she's now connected to Rocks, and its 42 years before the current time, a few years before God's Valley... and we know Roger's crew showed up for an undisclosed reason... and its where Shanks is heavily implied to be found... and we know Celestial Dragons steal their wives... and Oda's made a very blatant and in your face attempt at making sure we know Shakky is sooo beautiful and loved and everyone wants her. Everyone.

I'm just saying... do you think... Shanks and Shamrock are her's?

[spacepolice]

Shakky is the REAL woman who stole Whitebeard’s Heart

[bongbongnomi]

actually I hope it turns out kuma is the one to save shakky from god valley, and that it adds more to whatever happened at sabaody and why he sent luffy to amazom lily

[anmechokola]

(SPOILERS FOR CHAPTER 1157)

"They're wild and violent" he says to Monkey D. Garp, the chillest, most reasonable, obedient and not at all violent person in the Navy

[whateverthought]

One Piece Chapters 1156-1157

Something about the tone feels off, and it has everything to do with how Shakuyaku/Shakky is being portrayed and how everyone reacts to her, but I don't know how to put it into words or what the problem actually IS

[anmechokola]

(SPOILERS FOR CHAPTER 1157)

So someone who was born in the West Blue, raised in Ringo, who fought Kaido and didn't leave a body behind. The fact that the name is still hidden makes it even more likely that it's someone we know, who is either still alive or whose body was being used (by Moria, for example)

(chapter 452)

I've seen speculation that it could be Jigoro, one of Moria's zombie generals who was animated with Zoro's shadow. It's possible, his Vivre Card says he was born in the West Blue and his name follows Wano samurai naming conventions. He is 風のジゴロウ (kazeno jigorou), or Jigoro of the Wind, Kin'emon is 狐火の錦えもん (kitsunebino kinemon), or Kin'emon of the Foxfire, Kiku is 残雪の菊之丞 (zansetsuno kikunojou), or Kikunojo of the Lingering Snow

Also, if he killed 7000 pirates to protect his family, he could have fought both against Kaido and against Moria. It would tie in with the fact that Moria was in Ringo 23 years ago and ransacked Ryuma's grave (chapter 969). Plus, we've also been seeing other corpses that Moria stole for his zombie generals during the current flashback (Ganzui, Captain John, Gill Bastar)

[If it is Jigoro, then it's worth mentioning that his grave was first introduced in the cover story for the chapter titled "Can't Even Die", which would end up serving both for the story of the chapter and for the story of the cover, since Jigoro was not, in fact, allowed to die, and his body was forced to exist as a zombie for about two decades]

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I have no idea where the official translation got "M. Bezel" from the original, so I imagine they chose it to make a pun on the fact that the organization turned out to be shady. In Japanese, it's called フットコロニー (futto koronii), which does kind of translate to Foot Colony, like TCB did. I don't really know what else it could mean. ふっと (futto) could mean with a puff (like a sigh), or suddenly. But given that the kingdom right at the beginning of the flashback where they met Ida was called バント (banto), which could mean bunt, as in the baseball move, I guess "Foot" could also just be another place name based on sports

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I wonder if Oda just chose the number 18 at random to make it seem more like an official account of transgressions. In terms of international law, Article 18 of the 1969 Vienna Convention states: "Obligation not to defeat the object and purpose of a treaty prior to its entry into force", which basically means that countries should make treaties in good faith, as far as I understood it. Article 18 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights states: "Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion". Both of them make sense in the context of Rocks (and freedom) vs the World Government (and control), and the fact that neither of them would make treaties with each other in good faith, as seen with the Hachinosu take over (not that the WG would ever admit to that, of course), but it could also be neither of them and I'm thinking too deeply about a throwaway line lol

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First off, it is very naive of Harald to still think, after all these years of struggle, that the World Government doesn't make the rules of this world. Second, he says the people of this country are 恩人達 (onjintachi), which means benefactors, people to whom one owes a great debt. Debts are a big deal throughout the whole story. In chapter 4 Koby calls Luffy 命の恩人 (inochino onjin), which means lifesaver, someone you owe a lifedebt, and it's also what Gin calls Sanji in chapter 59 and what Luffy calls Law in chapter 663. Sanji says he owes Zeff a debt, or 恩 (on), and when Luffy berates him for how he chooses to repay it, he thinks of Shanks and his arm, implying Luffy also sees that as a debt owed

What I mean by all of this is that if Harald is as honorable as he has been made out to be, he would do anything to repay that debt, regardless of the price he had to pay (in this case, a threat to Elbaf's membership in the WG). So his actions here may have been rash, but they weren't stupid or unfounded, and there wasn't really much else he could have done here except stand his ground and protect the people

Speaking of, the name of the country is written in katakana as エニシ (enishi), but we could also think of it as 縁 (enishi), which means destiny (that binds people together), bond or connection. It makes sense in the context of Elbaf being helped because Harald reached out and made connections with other countries and now he's trying to pay these countries back for their friendship

Also, that government guy says these people don't have 人権 (jinken), which means human rights. The specific use of the term human rights, as in the "equal and inalienable rights of all humans" implies that the WG doesn't even consider these people as humans

(TCB and official translation)

Which is why I think the official translation is correct, and not the TCB one, that had assumed Harald was the one speaking. The text says

こいつらはな…!!人じゃねェんだよ!!!

These people...!! They're not human!!!

The wording is ambiguous enough that it could be either one of them talking, but we already know that the World Government doesn't care for people that are considered non-human, as seen by their treatment of fishmen, mermaids, giants, etc, so by denying these people their humanity and their human rights, the WG "gets" to treat them as horribly as they do the others

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We've been aware that the WEJ lies, we saw it when they said Luffy was the one who murdered Vegapunk. Morgans will tell the truth or distort the facts whenever it suits him the most, ie whichever version shocks the people more and, consequently, sells more

(chapter 1053 and 1130)

This, coupled with the raid at the beginning of the chapter of a "charity" that ended up being a front for undesirable deeds, makes one question the truth about the claims on Rocks and his crew too, doesn't it? Not that they were actually good people or that there isn't a chance that they just looted the places that were the most convenient, but it should raise at least some doubt about how "innocent" the people they attacked really were. After all, it benefits the WG if Rocks is seen as the ultimate criminal, the worst of the worst, so that his destruction can paint the WG as the morally superior party, like what happened with Harald at Enishi

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(chapters 1157 and 1066)

Ah, the "just a few bad apples" excuse. Harald calls the Marines

立派な軍隊だ (rippana guntaida)

立派 (rippa) means praiseworthy or impressive, and 軍隊 (guntai) means military or armed forces. Guntai is the word the high priest used when he asked where the soldiers were at the beginning of the chapter, so these "praiseworthy soldiers" were actually there to protect a shady organization that claimed to feed starving children. It shows Harald's idealism and refusal to accept the reality that the WG he wants Elbaf to be a part of so badly is actually harmful and corrupted

[Well, not exactly "corrupt" if you consider that the Marines exist to serve the WG and the Celestial Dragons and not, as they claim, to serve "justice" and protect people. It's not bad apples so much as the system working as intended, but I don't really think this is the moral this story is trying to tell. I have a longer post cooking about this, but essentially, if you look at the arcs in general, they tend to focus on taking out the bad rulers and putting in/back the good ones, like Enel -> Ganfall, Doflamingo -> Riku, Orochi -> Momo. So the idea with the Marines and WG isn't that it's a bad system, but that the wrong people are controlling it and should be replaced with good people]

Also, Harald's line of thought is the same one Vegapunk had when he was talking to Dragon about why he chose to work for the World Government over Dragon's Freedom Fighters or Clover's Ohara scholars. Vegapunk was also an idealist who was blind to the damage his greed (for knowledge, for resources) was doing to the world

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This specific mention of John Giant reminds me... why hasn't this flashback made a single mention of Mother Carmel? There was one part about Jorul and Linlin, but absolutely nothing to say about the woman who for 37 years lived in Elbaf and was beloved by the giants, who wanted peace between giants and humans and spouted almost the same rhetoric as Harald about "trade over plunder". She was in Elbaf when Harald was having his change of heart, wouldn't he have wanted to talk to her about this? Wouldn't Ida have wanted to see this woman who also wanted peace and connection between humans and giants? Why wasn't she shown even once?

[You could argue that this flashback is Loki's retelling and he wouldn't have known about her, but first, she was still beloved by the giants everywhere, wouldn't he have known about her? But also, I think we've gone way beyond what Loki would reasonably know and tell in the three minutes Hajrudin originally gave him before the flashback started lol]

(chapter 866)

If she was the one who got John Giant to enlist in the Navy, then was he an orphan at the House of Lambs? Was he trafficked another way? Was he convinced to go of his own free will? Was he one of the "overly powerful warriors" that Harald wanted to send out?

(chapter 867)

Harald calls them

力を持て余した戦士達

Warriors with too much power

持て余す (moteamasu) means to be too much, unmanageable, uncontrollabe, to not know what to do with

Does this remind anyone else of Loki? Do you think that, if he could, he would send his son out to the Navy too? Would he think he was doing both the world and Loki a favor? We could even say Harald wants to help these overpowered warriors and give them a good purpose to fight for, again in his idealistic view of the world

...if I was being uncharitable, I could say that he's thinking of them the same way that Sommers was, wanting to use their power in service of the government

(chapter 1146)

But I admit that's a little unfair, wanting to send them but not doing so for whatever reason (maybe he wouldn't send them if they didn't want to go and he wasn't able to convince them) isn't the same as trying to force them into that role

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A giant is dangerous even if all they're doing is sleeping, they're dangerous because they're too strong and if they get angry they could kill people. And yet, it's the Celestial Dragons that cause the most terror just by walking (actually, not even walking, riding on the backs of slaves) down the street in Sabaody, and both their anger and their interest are equally dangerous to have

A man is dangerous and deserves to die simply because his father was a dangerous man. A whole war, with countless lives lost, is justified simply because that man deserved to die to send a message to the rest of the world. And yet, a Marine Admiral consumed by bloodlust and his own sense of "justice" can almost kill one of his own men (for having the audacity to ask them to focus on saving people), his powers strong enough that he probably did kill other Marines as collateral damage, and not only is he not punished for that, he ends up with the rank of Fleet Admiral

(chapters 499 and 579)

All of these people, these "monsters", as it were, get to live their lives safe under the umbrella of "human" according to the World Government, but the giants are the ones who are too dangerous to coexist with others

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Paying attention to what each of them are saying here, you can see what they really think of the giants, right? Garp isn't disputing that they're dangerous just for existing, he's saying that it's good for the Navy that they are like that, that they can use it to their advantage. When he says "I want them on our side, Kong", he says he wants their 戦力 (senryoku), which means war potential or fighting power. Again, it's like Sommers, wanting the giants' violent potential on their side

Sengoku says that Harald wants to change Elbaf's history, but that's not exactly true. Like Ange said, history is important, and preserving it is a way to honor those that came before and learn from them. What Harald wants to change is Elbaf's future, as seen in the present by the children who grew up knowing nothing but peace

Kong says that historically, the giants have a 狂暴性 (kyoubousei). 性 (sei) means nature (of a person) and 狂暴 (kyoubou) means rage. So he's saying it's in their nature to be full of rage. Actually, when Sommers talks about their "vicious, violent power" he calls them 凶暴 (kyoubou), which means ferocious, savage, barbarous, brutal

Despite Harald's long long years of diplomacy, to the World Government and the Navy they are still only violent barbarians that are good for nothing but war

And if all they knew of Elbaf warriors was how they were before, then that could be understandable, but that hasn't been a reality for decades, and it wasn't even true of all giants, as both Ida and Saul have stated. As I've mentioned before, Elbaf is the arc of lies and deceptions, it's where reputations that were thought to be facts are turned on their heads (giants are all violent warriors, Loki killed Harald, Rocks was the ultimate villain, etc)

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So by the time Shakky leaves the Kuja, Gloriosa is already with Rocks. Linlin says Gloriosa left to chase after a man, but either she didn't find Roger, didn't look for him or got sidetracked by Rocks' plan. What would it benefit a woman who supposedly left to chase after love if Rocks tore Marijoa to shreds, though? Was she just interested in the treasure while she worked on a way to get with Roger? Was she using Rocks and Hachinosu like Shakky does, as protection from her idol fame? Even if she wasn't as big of a star, Gloriosa was still popular and would've been a target for both Marines and pirates, especially being on her own

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Stussy seems to be mirroring Gloriosa here, in love with a man who has no interest in her, which makes it even less likely that Weevil is Whitebeard's actual son. Add this with the fact that she was the model for the first ever successful human clone made by MADS (which was formed 39 years ago, one year before God Valley and the dissolution of the Rocks Pirates), the fact that Weevil is covered in stitches like a Frankenstein callback, and the fact that she is explicitly stated to be a "science robber", and it all ends up pointing to Weevil being an unsuccessful Whitebeard clone

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(chapters 1157 and 1096)

The narration calls Shakky Hachinosu's "irreplaceable treasure", and 4 years later, before the God Valley incident, Garp says they took "treasure" from Pirate Island. They both use the same word, 宝 (takara), which can mean treasure in the sense of riches and gold, but also in the sense of a prized possession with sentimental value (for example, it's what Luffy calls his hat and Zoro, his swords). Calling her the island's treasure and stating that treasures can be stolen leads to the conclusion that Shakky is the treasure that was stolen from Hachinosu, something that both the Rocks Pirates and the Roger Pirates (as we saw last chapter) care enough about to go after

(chapter 1096)

The Rocks Pirates could still be talking about the Devil Fruits too, since we see Linlin going after them, but it wouldn't necessarily explain Roger's involvement, especially that line of his about it having been a whole year, and especially considering her introduction last chapter specifically mentioned how her beauty had strong men making fools of themselves, on the panel where she's rejecting Roger

I wonder if the final fight that Stussy and Gloriosa are talking about imply then that Roger goes to Hachinosu to keep trying to take Shakky

[I'm gonna be honest here, I'm not loving the Helen of Troy plot]

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(chapters 1157 and 498)

Shakky's bar looks almost exactly the same as the one in Sabaody, except for that top part. I wonder if she just made a copy or if they took the whole damn building when they stole Hachinosu's "treasure"

Her bar reminds me of the color spread for chapter 1149 with the Bottakuri Maid Cafe, since in Japanese her bar's name is also ぼったくり (bottakuri), which means rip-off. Chapter 1149 is when Gaban has a chance to take out Gunko, but stops when she threatens his son's life, who he incidentally refers to as 生涯の宝物 (shougaino takaramono), or his lifelong treasure. I wonder if this could be an indication of what really happened at God Valley with Rocks' death (assuming Shakky is the reason they go, and assuming Rocks does actually die there, which the government says he does, but we've already seen this same chapter that they will lie when it serves them), though he doesn't seem any more in love with her than any of the others so far

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I actually think it makes sense, from the government's point of view, to tell Harald to kill Rocks, because either way they win. If Harald succeeds, they get rid of Rocks and know they can get the king of the land of giant warriors to obey them. If Harald fails and Rocks kills him, the whole of Elbaf would probably go to war against Rocks anyway

This also puts Harald in an interesting moral dilemna. On the one hand, Rocks is a criminal with a horrible reputation and getting rid of him would allow Elbaf to become a member of the WG, something that would help Elbaf move towards trade and diplomacy. On the other hand, Rocks hasn't really done anything remotely bad to Harald or Elbaf (except hurting his son, which Harald doesn't know about) and Rocks arguably saved him in Marijoa. Not to mention that getting into the WG by way of murder doesn't really lead Elbaf towards the peaceful ways he's been preaching about

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