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I love so much the concept of the dragons being tied to Targaryen women and their fertility. It plays so poignantly into the history of House Targaryen in Westeros. The Targaryens come to Westeros, and in an attempt to consolidate their power, they assimilate into the oppressive social structures of Westeros, sacrificing and devaluing their women to do so. Rhaena, Aerea, Rhaenys, Rhaenyra, Daena, Naerys, Rhaella, and so many more — crushed under the heels of their brothers and fathers and uncles in order to appease the lords of the realm. And in doing so, the Targaryens ironically kill their true source of power. Dragon egg production is high before Dance, as Syrax and her rider Rhaenrya’s fertility flourishes as one. Then Rhaenyra is usurped and killed, and suddenly, no eggs can hatch. It speaks to the general devaluing of women’s labor and contributions, not just in House Targaryen, but in broader Westeros and our own world. It is not the fighting or the conquering or the crown or the Sword or the Iron Throne that forms the weight bearing beams of the House of the Dragon. It is female fertility, labor, childbirth, motherhood. The latter had been exploited for the sake of the former for 300 years, chipping away at that load bearing beam until the House collapses around them, dragons and crowns and thrones and men and women alike.
And the one to bring it all back? A girl. Overlooked and underestimated, her value tied solely to the son she could bear or the army she can be sold to buy. But the true power is intrinsic to her. All the men think themselves the great saviors of their house and their world— with women like Lyanna Stark and Elia Martell being sacrificed at the altar of Targaryen men’s destiny— but it is Daenerys Stormborn, Daughter of Dragons, Bride of Dragons, Mother of Dragons, who succeeds where they all failed.
Not trying to be rude, OP, but this interpretation feels incredibly sexist and completely out of step with what actually happens in the story.
The Targaryens come to Westeros, and in an attempt to consolidate their power, they assimilate into the oppressive social structures of Westeros, sacrificing and devaluing their women to do so.
So… they “assimilated” by creating the Doctrine of Exceptionalism so they could continue practicing incest while demanding special exemptions from the Faith. That’s a very strange definition of assimilation. And where exactly is the evidence that the Targaryens did they sacrifice and devalue women? There is no actual evidence that the Valyrians or the Targaryens, before arriving in Westeros, were committed to anything we would recognize as women’s rights.
I know a lot people project modern feminist ideas onto Valyria, but the actual information we have points to an expansionist empire built on slavery, and extreme social hierarchy. Nothing about that sounds especially egalitarian or liberatory. And I think a lot of the “Valyria was progressive” narrative seems to come less from the actual text and more from the fact that dragons, silver hair, and a few powerful women create a worldview that people want to read as modern and liberatory, even when the underlying society is anything but.
If Valyria was some egalitarian paradise (it wasn’t), and Conquerors are helpless children who just accidentally absorbed the norms of the people they violently subjugated and assimilated by the people they conquered… Assimilated by the people they conquered? Really? If you invade a continent with dragons, conquer kingdoms through fire and blood, establish yourself as the ruling dynasty, and sit on the highest throne in the land for centuries, then choosing to adopt some of the customs, laws, or religious practices of the people you conquered is ultimately your decision. That’s on you. Not on the Andals. Not on “misogynistic Westeros.” Not on “evil maesters.” Not on “the Faith brainwashing everyone.” Aegon I wasn’t kidnapped by the Seven and forced into primogeniture. He chose to rule Westeros. He chose to integrate Westerosi structures. No one forced him. No one could force him. He had dragons.
If the Targaryens truly wanted to preserve some mythical Valyrian gender utopia (again, which never existed), they could have stayed on Dragonstone kept isolated from Westerosi inheritance law, OR established a Valyrian-style legal system as conquerors OR ruled as a totally foreign elite (exactly like the Andals did when they invaded) They didn’t and that’s on them. The argument that the Targaryens shifted to male dominance because they lost their homeland and were in a less powerful position and had to adapt from the Andals and FM doesn't make sense because the Rhoynar still managed to maintain their more equal culture in fact they adapted the Andals and FM they came into contact with.
Valyria had slave armies, slave breeding programs, mass human sacrifice, Blood Magic Tech™ and a ruling class that thought everyone else was subhuman. We really need to stop romanticizing Valyria as enlightened, progressive civilization just because it had dragons and a few powerful women. Canonically, Valyria is arguably the most horrific empire we know of in ASOIAF. Its wealth and power were built on mass slavery, conquest, and exploitation on a scale that dwarfed almost anything else in the setting. According to the lore, countless enslaved people were worked to death in the mines and tunnels beneath the Fourteen Flames. This isn’t a misunderstood utopia. It’s a slave empire.
People also forget that entire populations fled Valyrian expansion. The Rhoynar didn’t leave their homeland because the Valyrians were bringing progress and enlightenment. They fled because Valyria destroyed their civilization. Even the deep hostility many cultures have toward Valyrian practices makes more sense when viewed through that historical context.
And yet OP treats Valyrian culture as inherently superior while portraying Andal culture as uniquely backward. But where do many Andal taboos come from? Why are incest and slavery viewed so negatively? Part of it can be understood as a reaction against the expansionist dragonlord empire threatening neighboring peoples. The irony is that many people and including OP condemn Westerosi feudalism while glorifying the civilization that literally ran one of the largest slave empires in the known world. Having dragonriders and aristocratic women with influence does not make a society progressive. A slave empire is still a slave empire.
So…
The Valyria women get to be treated closer to equals (they’re not check point C) Okay, but what about the countless enslaved women living under the empire? What about the people worked to death in the mines of the Fourteen Flames? What about the victims of a civilization built on conquest, slavery, blood purity, and hereditary supremacy? Please just admit they were the most evil empire of sexy blonde incest freaks dragon riders.
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Rhaena, Aerea, Rhaenys, Rhaenyra, Daena, Naerys, Rhaella, and so many more — crushed under the heels of their brothers and fathers and uncles in order to appease the lords of the realm
We don’t know a single Valyrian woman who was a ruler in her own right, on her own, before or after the conquest.
BUT…
We know of several Westerosi women of both Andal and FM heritage who inherited lands, held lordships, ruled in their own right, or served as the heads of their houses both before and after the Targaryen Conquest. The Dornish are the most obvious example, but they are far from the only one.
A) Before Aegon’s Conquest
Argella Durrandon. The daughter and heir of King Argilac Durrandon. When her father died during Aegon’s Conquest, she became the lawful heir to House Durrandon and Storm’s End, yes her rule was short-lived thanks to Aegon the conqueror.
Sharra Arryn. Ruled the Vale as regent for her son, the young King Ronnel Arryn, and effectively governed one of the most powerful kingdoms in Westeros when Aegon invaded. 
Agnes Blackwood. A ruling Lady of House Blackwood in her own right before the Targaryen era.
B) post-Dance
Anya Waynwood. Lady of Ironoaks in the Vale. She is a powerful ruling in her own right during the main series era and serves on political councils for the Vale.
Shyra Errol. Lady of Haystack Hall in the Stormlands, ruling her house directly rather than acting as a consort.
Alysanne Bulwer. Lady of Blackcrown in the Reach, another example of a woman inheriting and holding her family seat in her own right.
In fact, the Targaryens themselves were hardly consistent champions of women’s rights they’re the ones who didn’t want women to inherit. Andal/FM did have women who inherited.
It was Aegon I who took away Argella Durrandon’s birthright and gave Storm’s End to Orys Baratheon.
It was Rhaenyra who didn’t let Lord Rosby and Lord Stokeworth’s daughters inherit in their own rights and instead granted the lordships to their younger brothers.
Jaehaerys supports succession arrangements that favor male heirs. The Great Council of 101 wasn’t imposed on the Targaryens by foreign conquerors. It was called by a Targaryen king. Hence Rhaenys would have inherited in many Andal or FM houses.
Appease them from what? The Targaryens were the ruling dynasty. They held the dragons. They made the laws. They called the councils. They enforced the succession arrangements. The uncomfortable possibility is that many of these decisions weren’t made because the Targaryens were helpless victims of Andal culture. They were made because the Targaryens themselves preferred those outcomes.
People keep imagining a lost feminist Valyria that Westeros corrupted, but the text never actually shows us that society. That’s why I find it strange when you try to turn the conflict into a simple story of feminist Targaryens versus sexist Westeros.
C) Old Valyria was not gender-equal paradise.
For starters, the evidence we have points to polygamy being something practiced by powerful men, not a system of equal marital freedom. If men can have multiple wives but women cannot have multiple husbands, that’s not equality. That’s a patriarchal double standard. A system where a dragonlord can accumulate wives while women are expected to share a husband is not liberation. It’s still a system organized around male privilege.
Incest prevents female exit. If dragonriding women are only permitted to marry male dragonriders within the same house, they can’t take their power elsewhere. So, even when a woman has a dragon, her children and therefore the future dragons are folded back into the same patriarchal lineage. Her reproductive capacity is captured and redirected toward reinforcing the house rather than herself. Her power stops being personal and becomes “family property.”
And Dragonstone proves it too. Even if Elaena and Gaemon are presented as co-rulers, that’s not the norm. For generations it’s lords of Dragonstone, not ruling queens. That shows a woman’s power depends on what her husband allows same with Westeros, just with dragons.
Valyria not having a monarchy doesn’t make it progressive it just means power was held by elite landholding citizens… who were almost certainly men.
Like Ancient Athens: “democratic” for a tiny male elite, not equality.
Volantis: women show up in the merchant faction, but the Old Blood aristocracy (the ones closest to Valyria) never have female leaders.
Lys: run by male magisters while women are heavily exploited.
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Dragon egg production is high before Dance, as Syrax and her rider Rhaenrya’s fertility flourishes as one.
Most of the major dragons fighting in the Dance were actually born long before either Rhaenyra or Aegon II. Vhagar was ancient by Dance standards and had already had multiple riders across generations. Dreamfyre predated both of them by decades. Vermithor and Silverwing were the dragons of Jaehaerys and Alysanne. Meleys was already an adult dragon before Rhaenyra was born. Caraxes was already a mature dragon before Daemon ever became one of the central political players of the Dance era. Even Seasmoke was hatched years before the war itself. And Syrax people assume she was a cradle egg, Syrax was actually born before Rhaenyra and was already alive when Rhaenyra came into the world.
The same may be true for dragons like Sunfyre and Tessarion. We don’t know their exact hatch dates, but there is no evidence they were newborns of Aegon and Daeron’s generation. They may simply have been younger than dragons like Vhagar, Vermithor, Silverwing, Caraxes, and Meleys.
The reason it feels like “most dragons lived during the Dance” is because dragons live much longer than humans.
They’re not created by Rhaenyra’s fertility, nor does the text state that her reproductive capacity rises and falls according to Rhaenyra’s pregnancies. More importantly, if dragon fertility is supposedly tied to rider fertility, how does that explain dragons whose riders never had children or had only two or one child like Rhaena BB, Rhaenys and Visenya? Or dragons that outlived multiple riders? Or dragons that produced eggs across different generations? The theory falls apart pretty quickly once you apply it consistently.
What we actually know is that the period before the Dance had an unusually large dragon population because the Targaryens had enjoyed decades of stability and accumulated dragons across multiple generations. Jaehaerys’s era alone produced numerous dragons that survived into the Dance.
The dragon population wasn’t flourishing because of one woman’s womb. It was flourishing because dragons are long-lived creatures and the dynasty had spent nearly a century increasing their numbers before the civil war wiped much of that out.
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Then Rhaenyra is usurped and killed, and suddenly, no eggs can hatch.
Check this post. The dragons died in the Dance because the Targaryens used their near-apocalyptic power to tear the realm apart in a brutal civil war, not because the universe tragically lost Rhaenyra’s “sacred fertility” or whatever mystical chosen-one you project onto her. The narrative still repeatedly shows that concentrated power destroys everyone around it. That’s the point. War and feudal blood supremacy are horrible.
There’s something deeply bio-essentialist about reducing a female character’s significance to her womb and treating her reproductive status as the source of cosmic balance. Suddenly dragons aren’t dying because of war, politics, or human choices. They’re dying because the symbolic mother figure has fallen. That’s not empowerment. That’s one of the oldest patriarchal narratives imaginable the idea that a woman’s primary significance lies in her fertility and that the fate of society is mystically tied to her reproductive body.
Clark Kent gaslighting Lois Lane into believing he’s not Superman.
pride month!!!
Is that a miette?
Pride for you! Pride for a thousand years!!
you COME OUT to miette? you come out to her as queer? oh! oh! pride for mother! pride for mother for One Thousand Years!!!!
When Tess Morgan's son came home with a tattoo, she was griefstricken. She knew her reaction was OTT (he's 21) but it signalled a change in their relationship
This is gold this, absolute gold, the most over the top melodramatic hysterical ridiculous thing I’ve ever read
This is actually so interesting to read- it’s from 2012 but its full of the same anxieties, even some of the same phrasing that many of the guardian’s later pieces on transness use. really hammers home how much of the terfism that emerged in the late 10s was middle class mothers angry at a loss of control over their adult children- whether that be their bodies or their friends or their opinions- and making that everyone’s problem because they have the power to do so
He says, “I’m still the same person.”
I look at him, sitting there, my 21-year-old son. I feel I’m being interviewed for a job I don’t even want. I say, “But you’re not. You’re different. I will never look at you in the same way again. It’s a visceral feeling. Maybe because I’m your mother. All those years of looking after your body – taking you to the dentist and making you drink milk and worrying about green leafy vegetables and sunscreen and cancer from mobile phones. And then you let some stranger inject ink under your skin. To me, it seems like self-mutilation. If you’d lost your arm in a car accident, I would have understood. I would have done everything to make you feel better. But this – this is desecration. And I hate it.”
Also just the classism of her associating tattoos with “vest tops, dogs on chains, broken beer glasses”; like, just say you hate poor people
I laughed so fucking hard at this
A 50-kilogram anvil floats perfectly on the surface of mercury, because the density of the steel from which it is made is almost half the density of mercury.
damn that shit is light lmfao
Fun fact! Many lighthouses with especially large fresnel lenses would have huge fucking tubs of liquid mercury in the lantern room because it’s a super easy way to make these giant lenses rotate quickly!
Shockingly, however, spending most of your time in close proximity to 500 pounds of liquid mercury is Not Great For One’s Health and tons of lighthouse keepers started to go crazy from the whole. Mercury poisoning thing. Hence why there are a lot of “haunted” lighthouses or wickies that lose it and maybe do a bit of manslaughter.
Anyway, people saw a bunch of lighthouse keepers go crazy and get sick and got empirical evidence that it was in fact related to the 500 pound mercury bath they have to visit every day and then they decided nah it’s fine actually. So we’ve kept the liquid mercury thing and I think that’s beautiful
I love how it is so dense it does not "wet" the anvil, the drops all run and leave with nothing behind them unlike water, oil, sauce... it's super satisfying it's like in cartoons
In a letter written on April 19, 1825, Augustin Fresnel proposed the use of mercury to reduce the friction in revolving lenses. His statement follows: “I propose to float our rotating devices, of the first order, in a bath of mercury, instead of placing them on rollers. This project won't present many difficulties; nevertheless, as I have not put it into execution, I won't require you to adopt it for your first lighthouse.”
Fresnel’s plan for mercury flotation was not put into practice until 1890 when Monsieur Leon Bourdelles, Chief Engineer of the French Lighthouse Service, designed and built a workable mercury flotation system. The mercury bath allowed the lens to operate in an almost frictionless environment and, additionally, allowed the speed of rotation to be dramatically increased.
Lens Rotation by Thomas Tag | United States Lighthouse Society
Ah to be a sailor in 1890 who has to turn to his fellow men and ask "is it just me or are the lighthouses flashing faster?"
They had been slowly getting faster for decades.
It mattered for optics reasons.
Under less-than-ideal conditions, you can only see the beam when it’s pointed more or less directly at you. In-between beams you would not be able to see anything. One solution to this was to create multiple beams, and the lenses Mr Fresnel designed usually created 8 beams. But, even still, duration between flashes could be as long as one minute in the old mechanical roller systems.
The nearly frictionless operation of the Mercury suspension system allowed the lenses (large pieces of precisely ground glass weighing several hundred pounds in some cases) to rotate fast enough that they could be redesigned to create fewer (usually 3) beams. Fewer beams from a similar light source will be proportionally brighter, and the gains in speed were sufficient that duration between flashes could still be reduced to as little as 10 seconds.
This was a big upgrade. It didn’t just make the lighthouse signal faster, it allowed them to completely overhaul the lens and derive more visibility from a light source.
What’s a little Madness, in the face of Progress?
mods are asleep, post the fresnel lens
The mercury baths are slowly being replaced by a new system, this video about it is super interesting and explains it way better than I can!
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I am always thinking about every line of dialogue in the first 50 seconds of Garth Marenghi's Darkplace.
HELLO?
Darkplace is a key example of how in order to truly master making art that is "deliberately bad" you need to have a thorough understanding of what the medium considers the rules for "good form" so that you can than break every single rule.
this show is the prime example of "on a true or false test, 100% and 0% both require you to know all the answers"
For what it’s worth, Garth Marenghi’s books are to bad writing what the show is to bad TV. Please read them.
Happy pride everyone! 2 cocks, 1 corn!!!
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Why You're Writing Medieval (and Medieval-Coded) Women Wrong: A RANT
(Or, For the Love of God, People, Stop Pretending Victorian Style Gender Roles Applied to All of History)
This is a problem I see alllll over the place - I'll be reading a medieval-coded book and the women will be told they aren't allowed to fight or learn or work, that they are only supposed to get married, keep house and have babies, &c &c.
If I point this out ppl will be like "yes but there was misogyny back then! women were treated terribly!" and OK. Stop right there.
By & large, what we as a culture think of as misogyny & patriarchy is the expression prevalent in Victorian times - not medieval. (And NO, this is not me blaming Victorians for their theme park version of "medieval history". This is me blaming 21st century people for being ignorant & refusing to do their homework).
Yes, there was misogyny in medieval times, but 1) in many ways it was actually markedly less severe than Victorian misogyny, tyvm - and 2) it was of a quite different type. (Disclaimer: I am speaking specifically of Frankish, Western European medieval women rather than those in other parts of the world. This applies to a lesser extent in Byzantium and I am still learning about women in the medieval Islamic world.)
So, here are the 2 vital things to remember about women when writing medieval or medieval-coded societies
FIRST. Where in Victorian times the primary axes of prejudice were gender and race - so that a male labourer had more rights than a female of the higher classes, and a middle class white man would be treated with more respect than an African or Indian dignitary - In medieval times, the primary axis of prejudice was, overwhelmingly, class. Thus, Frankish crusader knights arguably felt more solidarity with their Muslim opponents of knightly status, than they did their own peasants. Faith and age were also medieval axes of prejudice - children and young people were exploited ruthlessly, sent into war or marriage at 15 (boys) or 12 (girls). Gender was less important.
What this meant was that a medieval woman could expect - indeed demand - to be treated more or less the same way the men of her class were. Where no ancient legal obstacle existed, such as Salic law, a king's daughter could and did expect to rule, even after marriage.
Women of the knightly class could & did arm & fight - something that required a MASSIVE outlay of money, which was obviously at their discretion & disposal. See: Sichelgaita, Isabel de Conches, the unnamed women fighting in armour as knights during the Third Crusade, as recorded by Muslim chroniclers.
Tolkien's Eowyn is a great example of this medieval attitude to class trumping race: complaining that she's being told not to fight, she stresses her class: "I am of the house of Eorl & not a serving woman". She claims her rights, not as a woman, but as a member of the warrior class and the ruling family. Similarly in Renaissance Venice a doge protested the practice which saw 80% of noble women locked into convents for life: if these had been men they would have been "born to command & govern the world". Their class ought to have exempted them from discrimination on the basis of sex.
So, tip #1 for writing medieval women: remember that their class always outweighed their gender. They might be subordinate to the men within their own class, but not to those below.
SECOND. Whereas Victorians saw women's highest calling as marriage & children - the "angel in the house" ennobling & improving their men on a spiritual but rarely practical level - Medievals by contrast prized virginity/celibacy above marriage, seeing it as a way for women to transcend their sex. Often as nuns, saints, mystics; sometimes as warriors, queens, & ladies; always as businesswomen & merchants, women could & did forge their own paths in life
When Elizabeth I claimed to have "the heart & stomach of a king" & adopted the persona of the virgin queen, this was the norm she appealed to. Women could do things; they just had to prove they were Not Like Other Girls. By Elizabeth's time things were already changing: it was the Reformation that switched the ideal to marriage, & the Enlightenment that divorced femininity from reason, aggression & public life.
For more on this topic, read Katherine Hager's article "Endowed With Manly Courage: Medieval Perceptions of Women in Combat" on women who transcended gender to occupy a liminal space as warrior/virgin/saint.
So, tip #2: remember that for medieval women, wife and mother wasn't the ideal, virgin saint was the ideal. By proving yourself "not like other girls" you could gain significant autonomy & freedom.
Finally a bonus tip: if writing about medieval women, be sure to read writing on women's issues from the time so as to understand the terms in which these women spoke about & defended their ambitions. Start with Christine de Pisan.
I learned all this doing the reading for WATCHERS OF OUTREMER, my series of historical fantasy novels set in the medieval crusader states, which were dominated by strong medieval women! Book 5, THE HOUSE OF MOURNING (forthcoming 2023) will focus, to a greater extent than any other novel I've ever yet read or written, on the experience of women during the crusades - as warriors, captives, and political leaders. I can't wait to share it with you all!
If you're writing about Byzantium/Byzantine inspired places, there's a few other things to keep in mind:
-Byzantium was a civilization that spanned a millenia and a huge geographical area. The treatment and experience of women was not constant at all times in all places.
-Women had different levels of autonomy at different periods of their lives. Many women gained great autonomy after their husband's death (and he usually died much before her), and could be registered as the head of household.
-There are basically two career options for Byzantine women: wife/mother or nun. Sometimes both, but never at the same time.
-Just as in the Latin West, class mattered a lot, and basically determined a person's entire life. Peasant women worked in agriculture and trades, while noble women had a much softer life.
-the idea that noble women were confined to the house is likely an exaggeration. (A byproduct of Byzantium's "distorting mirror") Furthermore, the women's quarters were nowhere near as closed off and restricted as the later Ottoman harems. In many places, women could move freely between their own quarters and the rest of the house. However, if a non-related male was visiting it was customary that the women would not be seen. This seems to be a mainly noble/middle class practice, and not an elite or peasant practice.
-Women played important ceremonial functions at the royal court. The Augusta (one of three titles for an empress) received the wives of visiting nobles, and was so important that, even if the emperor was unmarried, he might crown his daughter for the role. (See Leo the Wise) Additionally, there was an office reserved just for a woman, she was called "the lady with the sash" and she was placed very close to the emperor, and thus highly influential.
-Imperial women were highly influential, and could be incredibly masterful politicians.
-Women weren't forced to have endless babies until they died in childbirth. Byzantine women had access to both contraception and abortion, and there was some amount of recognition of a woman's right to choose. Furthermore, if a woman already had kids, but decided she didn't want to be a mom anymore, joining a convent was always an option. (For wealthy women)
If you're interested in learning more, the volume "Byzantine Women: Varieties of Experience," edited by Lynda Garland is a good starting point. You can also read the hymns of Kassia the Nun, or the Alexiad of Anna Komnene to get an idea of how women wrote, and what concerned elite women.
Excellent comments - plus, I'll recommend the great Judith Herrin as a magisterial voice in Byzantine women's history!
you just don't get shit like this with 8-episode streaming seasons
Honestly, Tvyek is pretty miraculous. It’s permeable to water vapor but not to water, it’s nearly impossible to tear, but can be easily cut. It’s cheap and made entirely without binding chemicals. In addition to being used for wristbands, it’s used to wrap construction sites to keep out water during construction, for tear-resistant envelopes at Fed-Ex, coveralls for mechanics, and my wallet, actually.
Fun tip, though it looks like paper, Tyvek is plastic, and cannot be recycled with paper.
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I didn’t even know it had a name
Green Collar Boy voices his opinion about getting his nails trimmed. 17 Days
Tatia and Katherine both being mothers....... congrats to Elena Gilbert for beating teenage pregnancy
Ok so old AU but key points
Elena and Tyler had her pre-canon, its a girl, they aren't 'together' but their friendship gets way closer
Tyler decides to lock in for their daughter, and his dad kicked him out, his mom gives money on the down low, Tyler lives with the Gilberts
Elena isn't interested in romance, having a kid wards off Stefan but not Damon
When Elijah shows up he's struck by the similar situation, he's weird about everything
Katherine is also weird about it
Elena makes a deal that she'll die if Elijah promises to keep her daughter safe. Elijah gets even more weird about it
Tyler refuses to let her die, works with Damon, causes fighting between Elena and Tyler
When Tyler triggers his curse, Elena is there for his shift. It becomes something of a concern for their daughter, Elena locks in on werewolves
When Klaus takes Stefan and runs, Elena doesn't chase, she's trying to get Tyler in contact with any other family members
Tyler and Elena start to get closer, romance is back on the menu boys
Klaus is back and he kills Tyler, Elena is freaking out, realizes she likes Tyler
When Klaus figures out he needs Elena, he makes good on his words and takes the WHOLE FAMILY with him
We explore werewolf culture!
Elena and Klaus fight, to the point where he forces Tyler to hurt or almost hurt Elena and she realizes something is very wrong.
She spirals that he could hurt their daughter so she conspires to kill Klaus
At one point, Damon shows up and gets murdered by Tyler at Klaus' orders and he spirals at that, solidifying how serious this actually is
Elena sees the coffins while traveling and opens it to realize Elijah is in it, remembers him mentioning other siblings, other than Rebekah who's at Mystic Falls playing teenager with Stefan
She lets everyone out and using the distraction the teen family escapes back to Mystic Falls
I didn't have anything else planned, originally this was a No Romance Story, with Tyler just being the Civil Co-Parent, which it can be still. Having a kid with your childhood friend and being co-parents while your shitty dad kicks you out and her family takes you in does make an interesting but close relationship!
The idea was that Elena would be less willing to die if she had a daughter to come back to and less likely to want to be around strange men, while also fighting the loss of her teen years. And with the exploration of werewolf culture and Elijah/Klaus obsession, I wanted her to be super willing to kill them. Like no waffling, she wants them dead, active participant. Also less forgiving, this is no "Killed my Brother in front of me but he's ok so we're fine" type shit, if you threaten her daughter or anything its done.
Also everyone keeps trying to play house with her and her baby, and its super weird
Tatia and Katherine both being mothers....... congrats to Elena Gilbert for beating teenage pregnancy