#patton criticism

[prodigal-explorer]

GOD I HAVENT BEEN ABLE TO STOP THINKING ABOUT THIS @paytonthefrog

the way we think so similarly about patton and roman’s dynamic and it seems like literally nobody else gives a shit about it-

it’s all “patton and virgil’s relationship tho” and “why is roman suddenly being a dick” while failing to consider that maybe it wasn’t so sudden.

the mixture of pattons slow snowball into completely mistreating roman and janus’ discreet but constant manipulation and gaslighting is getting to roman and even though he’s trying to, he can’t hide it anymore. it’s obvious that he’s bothered but nobody seems to care why or how to help.

roman just needs help and i hope somebody reaches out their hand to help.

[glacierruler]

Patton Sanders

Just felt like sharing my very nuanced opinions about a certain side. He's not my favorite, but I see a lot of myself in him. Which is both a good and bad thing. Be very warned this is heavily based off of how I act vs. how I've seen him act in canon, but I'm not going to bring up specific in canon moments. It's just how I remember him.

First things first, I adore Patton, but he's trying to juggle too much. He's trying to control his emotions, be the example Thomas is to lead by, be the 'dad' persona, and keep everything in check. Because of this, Patton is manipulative, but I don't think he means to be. I think, most of his manipulation, honestly comes from a place of, things need to be this way morally, if they aren't then Thomas might be a bad person, and if that's the case I've failed him. What am I supposed to do them? Which is a huge weight for any of the sides to carry. Feeling as if though they failed him because they couldn't lead him down the correct path. But what Patton doesn't seem to get, is that he's not the only one making those judgements on morals. All of the sides have their own views on what's a priority and what's moral or immoral. I think in the redux, Patton finally realized that(to an extent, idk if it's an in depth revelation yet), because he saw that he was hurting Thomas. But in seeing that, he and the others ended up hurting Roman, who had looked to Patton for the more moral side of things, because he had thought that only Patton could make the call on that. Because of the sway morality has on the princely side, who's supposed to be doing his best to always do the moral thing, Roman ended up getting really hurt because of this. Also Patton's silence in the end was telling for how his views had changed and he wasn't sure of his stance on anything or anyone anymore, including Roman. Everything was just flipped upside down and shattered for him. Because he had been basing his morality off of his feelings. The feelings he had been trying to juggle, repress, and hide from the others. Yes he had talked to the others about his feelings and repressing and hiding them. But that doesn't mean he's stopped, it's hard to stop a habit that's been so ingrained into your head that no one knew about until recently. And this repression is because he has been raised to view these negative emotions as 'bad' and 'evil' so how could the others like anything about him that isn't perfect and good? And in turn, if Thomas isn't perfect and good, then that's Patton's fault. And on top of that, he's trying to be the dad persona to all of us, someone who's happy and loving. Someone you can always look up to and rely on. He's trying to be all of that, do all of that, and he can't. He's putting too much on his plate, and hurting those closest to him because of that, and he's only just grasped that he's been hurting Thomas because of Janus.

And because of all this, I can't hate him. As someone who was raised in a Christian household, there's a lot of expectations to be perfect. Because I was always 'happy' at school, I was known as the happy friend, where nothing could go wrong with me. I didn't have emotions other than happy. Teachers always looked at me for my good behavior, which only made my need to be seen as perfect worse. Because if I wasn't perfect, who was I? And it ended up with me hurting others, and I never meant to, it just sort of happened. It took my whole world being shattered in middle school for me to start seeing that maybe that wasn't the way to live. That much pressure isn't good for anyone. And it's still a struggle for me, and I'm seeing Patton, someone who is so much like the old me, struggling to learn that for himself. And I can't help but try and cheer him on his journey. Yes he's messed up, and owes a lot of sides a lot of apologies, I am not denying that. But in order for him to try his best to not repeat the behavior, he has to figure out the best way to stop doing it. Which is hard, it's one of the hardest things I've ever had to do. And I wish I had had someone who was going through the same thing as me when I was younger, to be able to help me pick up the pieces. So because of all this, I can't hate him. And I hope he's able to figure out how to love himself, flaws and all, so he can start loving others for their flaws too.

[hopelessly-roman]

Thomas: I don't like my anxiety, I want him gone.

Roman: Aight.

Thomas: Actually nvm, I like him now.

Roman: Sure.

Others: Roman, you should be more accepting.

Roman: Okay.

Virgil: But actually no, not to Deceit.

Roman: Fine.

Thomas: Well, I'd like to hear Deceit out tho.

Roman: Alrighty then.

Patton: You shouldn't listen to Deceit he's evil.

Roman: Very well.

Patton: Actually, Deceit is good and we should listen to him more.

Roman: ???

Patton & Thomas: Roman, maybe you should be more accepting.

Roman: ????

[totsux]

some unpopular, as well as popular, sanders sides opinions

virgil

• kinda overrated

• 100% a top. you can’t change my mind

• not a soft uwu emo bean. like, no more of that please. it changes his personality so much.

• actually really tall (heightened anxiety)

• can be really awful sometimes. i know he’s your favorite, but you can’t just ignore his rudeness.

roman

• he is definitely a bottom

• he deserves way more love

• he is not ok. like, get this boy some help

• isn’t usually in the wrong, contrary to popular belief

• striving to be perfect

• should to make up with janus and talk about his moral conflict about the court case

logan

• deserves more love

• obviously isn’t good at reading emotions, resulting in others feelings being hurt

• mom.

patton

• is really manipulative sometimes

• shouldn’t be treated as though he’s never done bad

• yes he might be a good person, but we shouldn’t overlook his flaws

• responsible for most conflict in SvS

janus

• needs to talk and apologize to roman (and probably remus too)

• isn’t a bad guy, and was mostly in the right

• manipulated roman, which is wrong, but he had good intentions

• loves jazz. i don’t know why, he just does

remus

• he needs to work things out with roman

• listen to him. intrusive ≠ bad

• shouldn’t have knocked out roman

• talks to himself all the time

• does crazy things like eating deodorant to get more attention

• isn’t actually that different from roman (which isn’t a bad thing for either of them)

[quietrainfan]

[hydra-collector]

i find it funny how whenever i write patton i always try to make him generally nice to logan so i dont let my patton hater shine through, but canon continues to deny that he is nice to logan in any sense

[shade-romeo]

Christmas is coming up, and i am once again reminded of "The Sanders Sides 12 Days Of Christmas!" Episode, specifically the end card, when they did the secret Santa.

Ya'll know where this is going..

Everyone was given very meaningful and heartfelt gifts in the end card, and it could be argued that Roman worked the hardest on his gift. What did he get in return? Pasta. Fucking Pasta. What the fuck. All the others got gifts personalized to their tastes, and their likes and needs, for example, Virgil was gifted a gift card for audio books to listen to if he needed to calm down. That's thoughtful, and sweet. Logan was given an entire screenplay depicting his adventures with Sherlock, a character he has expressed his love for, more than once. That's also very sweet, and obviously written with Logan in mind. And Patton, while he wasn't gifted much physically, was given a handmade card, that 1. Was written in the form of a dad joke, and 2. explicitly states that Virgil cares enough about Patton to call him his Best Friend (and this just doubles the sentiment packed into this gift, because then, and now, Virgil has a hard time stating that he actually cares for the other sides), and Roman got SPAGHETTI. What sentiment does spaghetti have for Roman? As far as I remember Roman has never stated that he likes pasta, not once, and even if he had, that's one lazy ass way to decide what to give someone, for Christmas of all holidays. Like-

"Yknow, pasta is really good"

"Oh really? Well from now on you're getting pasta for all your birthdays, holidays, and any other day that requires gift giving. That way I don't actually have to think about what you might find genuinely touching!"

Like, he could've at least gotten him like, art supplies or something, that's super fucking lazy too, but at least that's something mildly personal for Roman. He's creativity, get creativity something to help him be creative! Not fucking PASTA!

Like, you would think, that Patton of all people would be the best at gift giving, considering he's the heart, and he's constantly preaching about how much he loves and cares for his friends. But, obviously when it came to this, he either 1. Forgot until last minute, and panicked bad, or 2. Doesn't give a shit, whatsoever.

What makes this worse though, is that later he gives Virgil a really heartfelt and sweet card, knowing that it was just what Virgil needed. He gave Virgil something that really meant something to him, BUT ROMAN GOT PASTA.

Hhhhhhhhhh this still makes me so fucking mad. I apologize for the rant, but HOLY SHIT

[sidespromptblog]

AU where the other sides are kinda disappointed when they realize that they're Patton's secret Santa. Because they know that they're only going to get food, and not something that they can keep and use.

They don't say anything about it, because they know it would hurt his feelings, but...

They're disappointed.

There is no getting around that.

So they always do what they can to make the unlucky feel better, by pitching in and making them a gift that takes the place of the food that they'd get.