#philammon

[whatevstu]

Hesiod has a version of Philones in his writing????

Yes and no. Unfortunately, the answer is a bit more complicated than just saying 'Hesiod wrote this fragment about Philonis,' since, as far as I know, we can't prove with absolute certainty that he was the author of the 'Catalogue of Women' (from which the fragment originated).

But! The fragment does belong to the Hesiodic tradition, so, technically, it's not really such big of a mistake to say it's just 'from Hesiod'! Here's the fragment from the 'Catalogue of Women' in Loeb Classical Library edition, along with Philonis and her sons (and their dads!)

[dkmbookworm]

A fascinating parallel I have seen when looking into Odysseus's family history is the story behind how he is descended from Hermes. Odysseus is related to him through his grandfather Autolycus, the demigod son of Hermes and the Princess Chione. Chione seemed to be the Helen of her time, where she was considered unbelievably beautiful to the point that she had attracted the attentions of two gods, Hermes (of course). And Apollo, who gave her her son Philammon. The level of consent in these counters varies by source, where either it was a desired affair or if it was a case of assault, in which Hermes took her in her sleep and Apollo had disguised himself as an old woman.

But I find this so fascinating to consider when you have Odysseus 2 generations later, who also attracts the attentions of gods unto himself in the form of Circe and Calypso. Two goddesses who (in different sources) give him children and are debated on whether they were desired affairs

[halfiles]

something i find funny is that thamyris is the son of philammon, who is a son of apollo, and thamyris competed against apollo for hyacinthus' love....he got his bf stolen by his LITERAL GRANDPA i dont take criticism

[fleurbleedinghearts]

Ignore what I said in my post about OT3s, actually don't ship Chione/Philonis with Apollo and Hermes

Chione was a fourteen year old child who was desired by a bunch of grown men as well as two old af gods.

She must have had Autolycus and Philammon when she was fifteen at oldest 🤢

This just makes the myth of Artemis killing her sadder too. She was stupid to say she was prettier than a goddess, but she was just a kid :(

Her father Daedalion tried throwing himself on her funeral pyre at least three times and wanted to die with his little girl 😭

Apollo turned him into a bird instead (would've been nice if you saved your teenage baby mama from your sister's wrath so it wouldn't come to this dude 😒)

[lesbodysseus]

Autolycus would be the better parent between him and his twin brother but also the bad Influence on children.

Philammon would be the complete opposite of him

#TRUE and #REAL thank u for more of ur wisdom Autolycus oomf

[lesbodysseus]

Autolycus and his glowing brother.

.... Ok, I just imagine Philammon to be glowing, but not really... It's like when you're oiled up and the sun hits your skin kind of situation also because yk, him being Apollo's son

When you're oiled up 😭😭

BUT YES PEAKKKKK love this concept lots, Autolycus gets to be a thief because of his dad and Philammon gets to glowwww

[saveflowers1]

Art by Byam Shaw (1914) - "Miriam And Philammon."