Mixed Grip Deadlifts are Still Fucking Stupid. Misogyny Aside, Version 2
About three years ago now I wrote what I thought was a pretty banal blog about deadlift grips. Every few months or so it gets someone all huffy in the comments, and we laugh. The pinnacle was reached last year when a Mr. “Tony Mak'' left this absolute diamond:
“You don’t know what the fuck you are talking about. Come lift with real men repping 700-1200 lbs* with mixed grip. Get your girly shit outta here”
I’ve been chasing that high ever since. Tony, if you’re out there: I miss you every day.
*For reference the world record, held by Hafthor Bjornsson (AKA The Mountain), is 1,104.5 pounds for one rep. So there are probably quite a few people who would love to meet our Tony and his 100% real and not made-up deadlift that definitely exists.
Honourable mention also goes to Blake, who calls me names and mentions being “outlifted in front of your girl”. I love you too, boo.
Sarcasm aside, how about the misogyny?
I disagree with most of the comment-leavers, but that’s great - the world needs different points of view. I’m open to changing my mind with new information and I’m always here to talk it out. Not that that would be a particularly interesting chat in this case because anyone who read past the headline knows the gist of my blog boils down to : double-overhand is better for you than mixed grip, except for when it’s not.
Which, you’ll note, has NOTHING to do with gender.
I don’t have a habit of pulling my punches, and I don’t expect anyone else to, either. Unnecessarily aggressive debate is why I get out of bed in the morning. (Pls refer to previous blogs or ask Phill the physio for confirmation). But there is a difference between talking smack and being sexist and I’m not here for anyone who can’t tell - or won’t learn - the difference.
Instead of refuting the point, people like T.Mak will attack the person making it. In this case with an attempt to denigrate femininity in order to dismiss opinions coming from women and non-men as somehow less valid.
This is known as an ad hominem argument and is the intellectual equivalent of going for the player rather than the ball. It’s a dirty move, it’s beside the point, and it lacks finesse. This one isn’t even original, so I’d give it a 1/10 at a stretch.
The term “real men” is also revealing, suggesting that not only men, but specifically only real men, have a right to express themselves on this topic.
But what is a Real Man? How could we ever define that? Is it someone who can deadlift 1200 pounds? Cos that’s precisely zero persons worldwide, my dude.
But apparently Tony knows what makes a rEaL mAn - which would make him the realest of the men, right? Uh huh sure.
As for the heinous crime of “being outlifted in front of your girl”. As if a woman’s place in the gym is to clap our tiny hands and squeal in feminine delight when our male partner lifts more metal off the ground than some undefined Lesser Man… sweet Jesus please let it be tax time because I cannot think of anything more boring.
Insinuating that women are there to admire men’s achievements rather than work on their own is peak misogyny, not to mention full-on narcissism.
Blake’s word choice is also telling. Possessive pronouns aside, surely by his own logic being outlifted BY your girl would be an even sicker burn? But that implies that women have every right to be in the weights room, lifting heavy… and if you let that idea have any air then the whole house of cards starts to shake.
The implication of comments like these are that women and non-men are not welcome in (what they see as) male spaces (eg: gyms) unless they toe the line. And that when they don’t, it justifies the use of dismissive and bullying tactics to put those intruders back in their place.
But possibly the most problematic aspect is the blind assumption that the writer of my article must be a straight man (and as such would be absolutely ruined by allegations of girliness).
I understand that my name can be confusing - but there is a picture of me looking girly AF, as well as a bio including the word ‘she’ and ‘female’, literally one centimetre below the last line. (Not that I needed any confirmation that they hadn’t read past the first paragraphs.)
To me, this reveals that it simply does not occur to them that a person with an opinion about lifting weights would be anything other than male. Like, not even worth the five seconds it takes to check.
Not that I’m shocked - it happens all the time.
Yeah it is changing but sadly it hasn’t trickled down to the bottom of the swamp, yet.
I kind of can’t believe it even has to be said at this point, but the idea that any kind of physical pursuit affects a person’s Femininity or Masculinity is a colossal rip-off to all genders.
It stifles women by putting up stupid barriers to waste our time. Having to answer back to this shit, and talk about how my hobbies somehow don’t match my genitals, has been a part of my life for as long as I can remember and I’m bloody tired of it.
It stifles men by making it seem like the only true goal is becoming a Real Man - and you’d better believe those goalposts don’t stay still.
And it perpetuates the myth that we all have to fit into these two little gender boxes, and that anyone who falls outside or in between doesn’t get to be heard.
Peta, works here and there for us as a Remedial Therapist, but is transitioning into a Full Time roll with the Melbourne Fire Brigade. However she still writes cool shit for us, and looks after our plants. She’s been part of our team for the past 5 years.