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did you see agentverbivore 's meta on why fraida is sexual assault? can you comment on it?

so like, i wasn’t going to answer this. i was off enjoying my life, i saw cars 3 which is great i cant believe doc hudson is gay and lightening mcqueen is secretly fitz and if y’all think im not gonna write a cars fraida au you’re wrong

and i come home to this

lovely anon

i was really just going to be like ??? this isnt worth my time and just go write fraida fic and dont worry guys if youre here for baby au or beach house verse or kinky framework smut well i got you covered later today

but before that, we need to talk

this is long, and doesnt cover most the important bits

first off, apologies to my one (1) mutual that is a huge holden radcliffe fan, you should probably look away for part of this meta. because im gonna put some of the blame on him

a few points from that awful meta i skimmed that was again not valid because it was written by a fs stan and these people by default cannot stand any other character looking at fs (like my girl oph may be evil, but like will daniels was not !? but man were the fs stans ready to call him abusive and sexual assualt back then so, again as proof opinions of those extra gross fs stans are not valid)

now if you are a mildly reasonable fs fan or just a normal person that ships other things, please do not let the crazies convince you of some total bullshit 

hee’s some ground facts

my girl aida, now know as ophelia, is one of the main villains of the season. she’s evil af in the later half. im not here to deny that. she’s one of the seasons villains

you know who else are tho - holden radcliffe and leopold fitz

back in 4.01 my girl was created to be a digital assistant, programmed not to lie and not to kill and generally just like a good™ person. now that got fucked up and whose fault is that

well lets have some more facts:

holden gave her the programming that it was okay to kill if it was to fill an objective he set (this allowed her to kill him later and honestly that was his bad)

fitz taught her how to lie, and holden assured her that it was okay to do so

as mack, the only person with a logical fear of robots would tell us, this is a bad idea

and then we get the darkhold

man who, from the other side, convinced aida to read the book? 

who then later enabled her to keep reading and gain all the knowledge and use it to help him create the framework and expand it and make it better

but oh man thats another good point who designed the framework? 

holden radcliffe and leopold fitz

holden specifically was the one that wanted it to grow, that encouraged her to push the simulation, that had the plan to put may into it and give her a whole different life to keep her contained

holden was also the one to have them kidnap and replace the rest of the team

wait you mean? aida was just following orders? the whole time? oh yes, thats right guys. she was

until of course

the framework

now here’s where it gets messy because

the framework 

in the framework, the darkhold has no hold on you anymore

which means, holden gets to experience regret and becomes not the villain anymore go him 

though as mentioned before this, holden’s instructions were to fix regret so people would stay in the framework and not question the narrative or want to leave

which leaves us with

coulson not a shield agent

may saving the girl (both of which ive mentioned in previous metas is why hydra rose with no one to assemble the avengers and a fear of inhumans in the public it was easy)

fitz being raised with his father (who i personally hc as hydra in the real world too but thats just me)

mace being an inhuman

and mack having his daughter

now despite what poor sad jemma simmons, and the fs stan mouth piece that daisy got to be for a brief moment (i miss a well written daisy wow) will tell you,

not having a girl in your life does not suddenly make you a super villain

maybe its idk

the hydra father you were raised with 

in a demonstrated emotionally abusive house that says not to show emotions and weakness (much like john garrett did to grant ward)

a world in which there was a fear of inhumans and a push for hydra to rise

a natural inclination for ambition

now, idk if its just me but

aida didnt make fitz evil

she followed holden orders to fix his regret, 

if anything holden made him evil but really this anger and darkness has been inside of fitz all along and if you dont believe me rewatch season 2/3. watch that scene with ward when he cuts off the air, watch him with the gun and yelling at the space rock, watch him angrily pushing things onto the ground when frustrated

this kid has been two shakes from being a villain since season two

 now to the fraida bit

if you believe ophelia on the beach scene which i do, she’s human now, able to feel things, there’s no way this girl so new to emotions that she has a panic attack thinking about people being hurt, so new that she loses herself to heart break in what is honestly just bad writing but canon so i can use it as a point here

would lie without there being an obvious tell

she’s not lying. 

she wanted to feel loved and human

so she took jemma’s place at the academy

now when did fitzsimmons first hook up? when did they first kiss? how long did that take? 

aida, then calling herself ophelia, wanted to be jemma simmons and like i get that. you, the fs stans, should get that. i mean isnt that why you all write self insert fanfic while slapping the name jemma on the character and pretending its the same one we see in canon?

aidas just like you

maybe a little misguided, playing a fucked up sims game of the real world

in a sense they created an alternate universe

an earth 2

and now you’re here telling me a robot, who cannot canonically feel anything more than pain, was the one to initiate sex? no, that boy def initiated it. 

the horrible example of the meta involves someone being roofed and forced into sex, but thats not what happened. she wouldnt have been the one to touch him first, wouldn’t have been the one to initiate anything because she wanted to experience love and humanity and none of that is part of it

now iain confirmed the friada sex happened, canon later told us that it happened in 4.21 and again reminded us that she could feel nothing, which important take away here

now if you say

there’s consent issues, probably dub-con ill agree

but the framework version of him, this alternate universe man very much wanted every part of that

and honestly could you blame him?

so now i am going to sit here and write my fic set in the framework verse as if it was a full earth 2 and enjoy living it up in my alternate universe sin verse

im going to write my lets ignore everything after she saves mack fix it fics because i can do whatever i want

its fandom

and theres like 4 of us shipping fraida

block the tag if you dont want to see it 

dont come up in my inbox anymore and ask my opinions or for m to justify my ship ever again, im just going to start replying with the parks & rec gif of ron with her permit to do what he wants

ye be warned

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i'm actually high key heated that you would even say cars (the worst pixar franchise) is even remotely better than the incredibles I FEEL SORRY FOR YOU

weLL SHIT ANON YOU ARE WRONG NOW LIKE let me make one of those long bullet pointed metas that i am apparently famous for and lay some knowledge on you

(oh, you thought i was gonna joke reply, youre wrong i love cars more than aida)

first off - let me start by reminding you that we have THREE CARS MOVIES AND TWO CARS SPIN OFFS (AKA PLANES) and honestly this is proof cars is the best franchise and makes pixar the most money and cars land exists and is amazing and i met tow mater once and it was the greatest day of my life

but beyond that

cars is incredible 

first off, we open on owen wilsons sweet car voice saying “i am speed” and honestly, this is the greatest thing ever have you considered that let me just tell you

now cars first off is a lesson in humility, lightening mcqueen is a hot shot at the beginning of the movie, but by the end he has learned not only to be humble but that goodness can be found all around him and most importantly that he doesnt need to win

unlike chick hicks the “villain” of the first movie (who makes an appearance in the third to remind us once again that arrogance gets you nowhere)

he learned compassion and friendship and not to judge people (cars) by their looks like this friendship with mater while strained in the cash grab that was cars 2, remains true at his core like

best fictional friendship goes to lightening and mater thats just facts

also best fictional mentor relationship goes to lightening and doc hudson who (cars 3 made me cry in a theater surrounded by children) acted as a surrogate father to lightening and inspired him and like doc is such an important lesson in fading heroes and good role models and wow i miss doc

cars 3 is the best closure of a hero tale, marvel and dc take note, this is how you retire a legend and let someone knew take up the numbers/cowls, like i dont want to spoil things but cars 3 is a cinematic masterpiece

now those are solid moral facts we also have random facts that make cars the best

the voice actors for each car is significant, like esp in cars 1 look up these people wow 

there’s literally a joke about lightening getting flashed and sally having a tramp stamp in cars 1 how did this happen

doc hudson is gay he’s a gay car wow confirmed

there is a car that is literally high all the time and like how did this get in there wow it was great

racecars dont get cell phones

“RACECARS DONT NEED HEADLIGHTS BECAUSE THE TRACK IS ALWAYS LIT” 

also it leads to me questioning my entire existence like

what happened to the humans

cruz said that she used to run track but how does that work she is a car

how can they use touch screens they have no hands

how did lightening tape something in cars 3 HE HAS NO HANDS

why are cows tractors but cars people

how are baby cars made

how does a car transition from child to adult

when they lose their wheels is it like losing a limb

whey does sally say he smells, she does not have a nose how can she tell

why do they have tongues

why do they have t o n g u e s 

whY IS THERE A SCHOOL BUS BUILT FOR PEOPLE IF THERES NO HUMANS 

anyways cars is great and the best and ANY OTHER OPINION IS WRONG BECAUSE CARS IS GREAT AND THE BEST

thats just facts tbh

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okay but like as someone coming from being hardcore dctv the past few months (specifically legends of tomorrow) and convinced to watch the framework episodes of aos because there was a cosplay i wanted to make and people in twitter said i wouldnt need more than those episodes of context to understand whats going on, it is really interesting to see how two very similar concepts on the outside were really different in actuality. like i expected that framework was going to be almost completely like doomworld - a world that the bad guys shaped to their needs putting them on top and putting their rivals in their own personal hells for their enjoyment. the problem is, doomworld is created by number one petty bitch eobard thawne ( + darhk/merlyn) vs framework which is created by AIDA ( + fitz / radcliffe) now when doomworld was getting going a lot of us speculated that the legion of doom put the legends in their "worst nightmares" like sara made to kill her family, nate having nobody believe him, stein being unable to see his family - these things made sense. however, there's people like amaya and ray and rip who don't really fit this mold at all (and jax who kind of does?) and then canon said that really it was just eobard / darhk being extra af and teasing the legends for their evil enjoyment shitty thing to do basic villain plot, check. the difference is that framework is different. its not just villains being dicks, it is not their greatest fears come to life. rather its a world with no regrets for those on the inside may regrets what happened in bahrain. fitz regrets not having a father growing up. mack regrets losing his daughter. coulson regrets becoming a shield agent. (i dont know mace well enough to tell you what he regrets but thats beyond the point) the point is, unlike petty bitch eobard who was like "i want this evil world that is mine", AIDA is a robot that has been corrupted (like we learned nothing after ultron) one that was built not to lie and to help others, but was instead taught over time that sometimes lying could help people and sometimes humans didn't know what was best for them this is why she did things like killing radcliffe (to keep him in the framework where he preferred) ect now you may be thinking but okay ?? how does taking away all their regrets lead to a world run by hydra? when you step back and think about it - especially after the context of this past episode it really makes sense obviously we have may letting the girl live in bahrain which leads to a fall out over inhumans, people being aware of them sooner and fearing them. we have fitz a very intellegent and prominent scientist now raised by someone who tells him to push down sentiment for ambition and who is a major player in hydra. we have mack who has his daughter back and really i dont see that as a major play on time time line but it is cute so theres that and then we have coulson, who by not becoming a shield agent, is not there to be a major push in the phase 1 mcu movies, no coulson for pepper to turn to when tony is being attacked, no coulson to call off the shot being taken on thor, not coulson to bring the team together (if there ever was a team) after his death by loki so we've got a world where there's no avengers, most everyone fears inhumans, and hydra has one of the worlds top scientists - and we all saw how close they came in ca:tws, is it all that shocking that even with the most minimal of manipulation by AIDA, that just by eliminating their regrets this would had been created now im not saying the evil robot hasnt messed some things up, hadnt maybe cut out the alexander pierce of this world to put herself at the head of hydra - what better way to be the puppet master in case everyones happy endings go astray? or hasnt killed off those who she did not like in the real world, disbelieving that they deserve happy endings in regret free worlds yeah sure, but to be fair, they fucked up her code versus the petty bitches that built doomworld so while doomworld is a super villains wet dream, id argue that framework is more of a flaw in the code created by the players of the game, which is why having watched both of them is so interesting (and leaves me in a place where i get to complain about both shows for their similar yet very different alternate earth plotlines)

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@slamncram replied to your post

“i have determined what makes the difference between being redeemable...”

But what happens when the murder of said dog may or may not have been put into action due to outside factors (i.e. five years of gaslighting and conditioning)? Discuss. (I'M JOKING IT JUST SOUNDED VERY ACADEMIC)

okay but this is the thing, like this is what makes me so angry sitting here being like angry at how my fave baddies from legends of tomorrow basically have half of wards backstory each (and are way bigger fucking villains) but still end up being considered good guys on their fucking team like how does this happen? is it better writing? is it fandom being better? is it the fact that nobody killed a fucking dog

so for those of you that follow me for aos and dont know any lot (because its my new obsession) this will contain some lot spoilers

which is why its under a cut, also it got fucking long, if nobody reads this but chris i will still be content tho cause im upset

lets refresh what some brief bullet points we know about grant ward and how aos did him so dirty

has an abusive childhood (parents/older brother)

sets house on fire to try and kill his abusers fails and goes to juvie

gets busted out of juvie by hydra agent, gets dropped off in the woods, major gaslighting

may or may not have killed a dog

because hydra spy inside of shield 

joins the team 

caws fucks up aos plot reveals that he is hydra and kills hella people

drops fitz & simmons (cute nerdy scientists) into the ocean

gets captured by aos team, locked in glass box of doom

while depressed and in glass box told to kill himself by his romantic interest (for all of season one at least)

gets sold off to his abuser (older brother) - but then busts out and finally succeeds in kill his abuser (burns them alive) 

hydra agents some more

dies

becomes possessed by alien demon thing

eventually gets blown the fuck up but was basically dead earlier and we just kept the actor around for some reason

(okay this is short but i tried to delete most of aos from my memory)

like - when we break this down as bullet points we can see this is shitty right?

now lets compare mick rory and leonard snart’s combined narratives from lot/the flash

(both) grow up in abusive house hold - abusive fathers in both cases i believe

(mick) has severely untreated pyromania, lights a fire in his house that gets out of control, and is so anxious about his family finding out that he doesnt tell them when he runs outside and they all burn alive

(mick is also briefly kidnapped by his future time traveling self right after this but we’ll assume he forgets this)

(len) is forced to commit crimes by his crooked cop father, eventually is forced to take the fall for one of them, and ends up in juvie

(both) meet in juvie, become bffs / partners for life / future husbands

commit a bunch of crimes together and basically just be hardcore criminals that break into places and steal things - oh and kill people, they def kill people

(also they basically raise len’s sister lisa during this time) 

(len) steals/kills someone for a cold gun, so he can go from basic criminal to supervillian and fight the flash. literally kills hella people with the cold gun

mick gets the fire gun

mick also kills hella people

kidnaps cute scientist friend of hero caitlin snow and straps her to a bomb at one point just to be extra (tm) super villains

kidnaps cisco (the other nerdy science friend), forces him to make weapons, tortures cisco’s brother (like freezes his hands?!)

(len) eventually after his sister is threatened gets a chance to get back at his abuser and literally freezes his heart and kills him (in front of the fucking superhero)

and when superhero visits len in prison he is literally like “there’s good in you” 

(both) get recruited to a time traveling team in which is basically a time captain, four superheroes, and these two villains 

somehow this turns out to be the best found family combo in the fucking history of ever? like even tho they are baddies their bad skills are still put to use to help out with the mission and generally (at least len) is always considered to be part of the team in spite of the fact that they are super villains normally. 

mick maybe sells them out to time pirates after their captain mentions that he was only brought along cause he and len are a packaged deal

len is forced to kill mick??? (or so we think for far too fucking long, even for someone just binge watching the series)

jk mick isnt dead he’s the bounty hunter working for their worst enemy (evil org) who has been hunting them since the pilot

as bounty hunter mick kidnaps len and is like “im gonna go back in time and kill your bby sister (aka the only person you love)” and like somehow in the span of this episode len is still like “dont kill him” to the rest of the team when he gets captured

gets put in glass box of doom on ship, and the team has like restorative convos with mick? wants to help him even tho he went evil and tried to destroy the team / threatened people that they cared about

mick is eventually given the chance to kinda heal and is brought back into the fold of the team and a full functioning member again even though he went extra bad for a bit there

one of them gets blown up and dies a fucking hero (also is probably not actually dead, but its been half a season and im not even fucking sure) 

the other one is currently very depressed and not getting the treatment he needs for that, but ill fight those battles later.

so in summary for comparison 

all three grew up in abusive households 

mick and ward both burn their childhood homes down (but mick actually killed his family)

len & ward both have younger siblings they tried to protect from their abuser (but lisa actually likes len and theyre super close, where as you now aos....)

all three ended up in juvie (tho ward got broke out by garrett and that fucked him  up good) (whereas mick & len meet to becomes criminal partners)

all three are bad guys (ward is a double agent) (while mick/len are major criminals and then super villains)

they all kill all kinds of people

they all hurt the fan favorite good guy scientist characters (mick & len with bombs and cold guns) (ward by dropping them into an ocean in a pod that shoulve floated) (i mean honestly like ward was the nicer one when you look at it like this)

all three kill their abusers (though micks was technically on accident)

all three get thrown in prison/glass boxes where their super counter parts come to see them (ward gets told to kill himself) (len gets told there’s still good in him) (mick gets help getting back to a stable mental state)

mick & ward both betray their found family team for their own person interests (and do get kinda shafted by this, like wards whole plot line vs mick’s time as a bounty hunter)

len & mick are both really bad guys that are given hero arcs (len is season one, mick in season one/two ish) and given a chance to redeem themselves while still being a-holes at times.  (whereas ward gets murdered by his old team leader and gets possessed by an alien monster)

in LoT the character dies a hero. whereas in aos... you know how that goes

the thing that gets me is

the plot lines are so fucking similar

and like these characters have been around as minor characters/villains for two seasons of the flash, and then as main characters for a season and a half (so far) of legends of tomorrow

and the villain with an abusive childhood story line is just handled so much better over there. with the characters given chances to heal. rather than pushed off to the side and made worse and worse

and as someone who lived in an abusive household for far too long

getting to see the snarts story line (and mick’s too) is just such a relief after suffering through all that was aos okay

this is why im so angry.

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what about Howard Stark? D:

oh god so this is where i have an issue because i'm a huge howard stark fan, and i've always wanted to write meta on this.

but there's a difference between "im too busy to deal with my kid" howard stark style.

and "i adopted/lied about parentage/told he wasnt good enough/imprisoned" odin or "burnt my kids face" ozai or "my fav son died so i was a douche to my younger one/then put him while still alive on a funeral pyre" denethor or "killed my son's wife/also totally raped her/and constantly discriminated against him because he's a dwarf" tywin lannister

you see? 

and im not saying "too busy to deal with kid" isn't a bad sort of dad as well, but its not the worst in any case. and compared to other abusive ones, howards not that bad... 

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SO I JUST REWATCHED THOR 2

and i mean, i went into this trying to figure out the loki thing at the end. but then was hit by something else.

THE OCEAN OF LOKI AND MOMMA FRIGGA FEELS.

so at first i was super sad because i realized the last thing he said to her before she died was that she was not his mother.

but then a friend pointed out to me something. was that even really frigga there? 

odin did say that he would never see her again, and while both loki and frigga have the obvious skill of illusions. was that her sending an illusion to visit him or loki creating an illusion of frigga because he missed her/as a sort of self-conscious for himself.

especially since her outfit in that scene is different than what she is wearing in her next scene when she meets jane.

this is the real question.

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ever since i made the sirius/regulus to robert/stannis comparison i cannot get over it. like there is an overwhelming amount of feels, and its perfect and i just want to like cuddle them all (or well regulus and stannis, but w/e). or write hp au fic, but asdfghjkl; i have papers to write! and finals to study for! these feels need to go away.

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so you know how i was all like, nahh robert's a slytherin so stannis can be in his shadow still. i think i might have changed my mind..... because my black family feels came back and i remembered how regulus was still in sirius' shadow even tho sirius was in gryffindor and yessss that's what i need. the parallels of sadness!