#rvb theory

[orbitingrook]

Yellow Church is an AI Fragment theory

[wonderingwhereileftreality]

Me: *watches the new rvb trailer*

RVB: this will be the FINAL Red vs Blue season

Me: I don't believe you, but continue.

RVB: who is the mysterious voice????

Me: It's Sigma; he's wearing the Meta suit and the closeup shot of Epsilon's head shows orange flames reflecting off his helmets face from where the voice is in the room. Plus he's not in the lineup behind Epsilon in the shot where the other ai appear behind him.

RVB: what does this mysterious voice want????

Me: probably to acquire the Beta ai and finally have all the ai together, thus potentially recreating Alpha at the cost of the other ai.

RVB:...so, you still gonna watch it?

Me: oh definitely! I'm extremely excited.

[the-mercurial-star-o-vesper]

We’ve been here so long...

Still I remember the rainy September Contact.

Hello ladies, gentlemen, all configurations of being...

I present you with another RvB special. The idea that the Chorus Arc was based and reflected from, the fans of RvB over the years.

By this point in Chorus, the whole universe knows about the BGCrew, even if they don’t know the full story. So, in a sense, there are now RvB fans in universe.

So, let’s put this in a simple fashion.

THE FEDS: We like RvB because of this! THE REBELS: We like RvB because of this and we will fight you for it!

... See what I mean? Let’s go further.

Locus is like that one fan that sticks to one interpretation of a character; in this case, Washington, while disregarding all others. That’s not a bad thing in of itself mind, I’m pretty stuck on Church and will sell my interpretation to any who would listen. But Locus’s problem is that its a pretty bad interpretation of Wash’s character, because it completely ignores Wash’s character.

Wash was never a perfect Soldier. He never made high on the Leaderboard, despite being on said Leaderboard, and never really impressed his squad. When he wasn’t full on PFL, he questioned orders, went behind his superior’s backs, caused a fucking Coup with the BGCrew, destroyed a lot of stuff, possibly damaged political relations with the Elites with his killing spree in the Desert, more so for going after Tucker who is an Ambassador and Religious Iconic Chosen One afterwards. And the first chance he got to get out of jail, he did.

Locus’ interpretation of Wash is like you tried to describe Washington but with an RvB Episode Summary. S’not good.

Worse still, he was trying to sell his interpretation of Wash TO WASH.

Felix is like those folks you tried to sell RvB to. But they didn’t get the humor, didn’t get the setting, or just didn’t care; and then went on to actively try to burn it without knowing anything, simply because they didn’t like it.

The Space Mercs? SPACE PIRATES: Wait, RvB is a Thing?

But inspite of all that.

The Crew, in the dreaded Shizno trilogy, is fairly chill with Locus (at least most of em). Because Locus chilled out.

As for the Feds and Rebels... Well, they’re just like the fans in general. Each have their favorites. For example, the Rebels--: - Simmons does have quite the fanbase with the ladies. - Grif is relatable to those of us who suffer from energy and just... everything. - Caboose does inspire tenacity, and that when he’s around, everything just kinda turns up okay, even at it worse. (Mind that when the show attacks Caboose? That usually means things have fallen to deep shit). - Most of Tucker’s arc is just to be inspiring in general, and he succeeds. The Feds? While there aren’t any direct examples of specific fans, Dr. Grey is a big one. She’s the fan that just likes everything about RvB, the funny bits, the serious bits, and she even actively fits in with the BGCrew. And with the subtle hints of a backstory (cut content basically) you could say that Dr. Grey reflects fans that make OCs for the Crew. Her entire demeanor just fits in.

The Chorus Trilogy is like a love letter to the fans. Made better because the RvB characters are directly interacting with what can be taken as fan representations. And you know what it says? The BGCrew loves us. We’re harmless morons, and idiots and boy do we fight over the dumbest shit.

But we’re Their harmless morons.

And that’s what counts.

When I think of you, Your name's in the sky, Ninety feet high, Contact.

[nightmare-foundation]

RVB Theory- How do seasons 15-17 make sense?

Seasons 15-17 are seasons that don’t make much sense to many people, despite many loving them. 

From twisted versions of the reds and blues, to alien AI gods, how do these seasons fit in with the rest of Red vs Blue?

They make little sense. I mean, in season 15, there were twisted ‘copies’ of the reds and blues, Tucker was trusting for no reason, and why the fuck does Lorenzo exist?? In season 16 and 17, there are ALIEN GODS, everyone is out of character, and WHY did Gray let Wash off with brain damage when she’d never let that happen, let alone endorse it??

There is one way for these seasons to make sense, though.

They aren’t real.

None of this ever happened.

The reason i think this is purely because of one fact: It makes me think of season 9, of the iteration Church made of Blood Gulch. Churches version of Blood Gulch, of course, wasn’t perfect. It didn’t make sense at times, things were missing, the BGC out of character, etc. For example, Grif cleaning and not being lazy, or the reds being girls and Tex a guy.

But- how would seasons 15-17 not be real? How are they an AI iteration? Church is dead, so he can’t have made it!

And that’s right. Church IS dead, he’s never coming back. But didn’t Church... fragment? Specifically, he fragmented his memories. And his memories are making the iteration, the world around them. They wanted Church back.

And those fragments are the Reds and Blues.

Of course, this sounds like complete and utter bullshit. First i tell you that seasons 15-17 aren’t real and are being made by an AI, and then i tell you those AI are the Reds and Blues! But at least i have a reason for thinking this.

There are plenty of characters that are out of character, including the Reds and Blues. But the ones that aren’t, or are mostly in character, are Carolina, Washington, and Caboose; the ones he knew intimately and spent the most time with. Hell, he was even in Cabooses head once!

The other Reds and Blues that he didn’t know nearly as well aren’t perfect and OOC, and those who aren’t the Reds and Blues simply aren’t real. Seasons 15-17 weren’t real, but allowed the AI BGC to basically speedrun what Church learned.

TL;DR: Seasons 15-17 were an AI iteration and weren’t real and were made up by the ai fragment versions of the BGC left behind after Churches death in season 13.

[rooster-teef]

Things I love to think about with RvB

Epsilon’s ‘memory unit’ he was trapped in wasn’t entirely a memory storage device- it was also a simulation device! He was able to interact with his memories, and the device simulated the outcome based on his interpretation of the characters around him. For example: Tucker’s class on how to talk to girls never actually happened- the unit played out a scenario that it deemed likely to happen.

When the Director reconfigured Tex into an AI after her death, it prioritized the traits of a soldier, not a wife and mother. She was cold hard and mean (well more than before) because she was an AI made for fighting a war not for compassion. She’s made exclusively to fight and win. That’s why we don’t see any of this tender, loving side that fell I love, got married, and had a kid. The Omega program didn’t do any of these things, and had no memory of it. Alison did.

She went against Project Freelance when she found out where she came from and got access to these memories!!!

Everyone’s character development

Donut talking about wanting to travel.

Doc’s entire character

Locus shooting people in the legs instead of killing them

Locus’s first mission attempt after leaving Chorus to make up for what he’s done, failed miserably. He tried to help another planet, but despite his best efforts everyone died from lack of rescources- including oxygen!

Lopez. Just Lopez.

This scene in rvb17:

Feel free to add your own!

[agentpooks]

Okay, admin here and some thoughts about s15.

Suppose Temple's flashback story is accurate and all that jazz, let me get this straight;

Temple decides to go on a revenge rampage when Biff is killed by an incident caused by Freelancers Tex and Carolina.

Temple is an absolute FUCK-UP.

And Biff told Temple, minutes before his demise, that he were expecting a child with his girlfriend on Earth.

...

Instead of heading to earth, go to said girlfriend which he apparently knew since high school and co-parent the kid in honor to his best friend...

HE GOES ON A FUCKING REVENGE RAMPAGE, TO BLOW UP PROJECT FREELANCER AND THE UNSC.

He straight up abandoned his best friend's pregnant girlfriend, who maybe don't know what happened, and the unborn kid which Biff referred to "Biff junior".

For his fucking revenge.

Okay, forget the shit about the dipshit Director and the theory of Simmons' dad is an asshole.

Temple is the worst godfather (cause no way Biff wouldn't asked him to become his kid's godfather) in galaxy.

Of all time.

[jazzy-j-wolf]

S16 Bad Guy Wash Again Theory

omg, okay I just had a freaking epiphany about the new season of RvB.

So in the trailer there's a point that looks like it takes place in season 11. It's Wash asking Tucker and Caboose if they trust him. Which is weird on a number of levels, Wash is in his black amour and this never happened in the original season , so this is a whole new scenario. 

The only idea I have is that in this timeline, Wash and the Malcolm Hargrove didn't make a deal back in season 7 but a little later. We know old Wash he had no problem shooting Donut, so what if Hargrove makes a deal with him to go to Chorus to take out the Reds and Blues and clear the planet!? 

Wash wanted out of jail so bad in season 7 and when he did he was badass and didn't care (that much) about other people, but he eventually turned and became good.  

Can you imagine how he will be after being in jail for (4 or so years, timelines are weird) He would kill anyone if he could be free, most likely turning him into someone like Locus, just like he had a nightmare about in season 12. It could also be Wash was going to do all of this but then Chorus turned him good, so now he's trying to get the Reds and Blues to help him take out Hargrove. 

But hey who knows maybe I'm just nuts, and reading way to much into that little clip.

[vehlika-pelican]

As I was rewatching the Chorus Trilogy it occurred to me that the reason Wash and Carolina had such a hard time fighting Felix and Locus is because while Wash and Carolina are in faux-Spartan armor and have some enhancements/AI, they are otherwise regular humans. My working theory: what made Felix and Locus truly formidible was not that they were highly trained, but the fact that they were Spartan IVs in legitimate Spartan armor. S14 "Club" and subsequent episodes gave the impression that they were retired/post-military and looking for anyway to contribute to the greater good (oh, Mason Wu). The Spartan IV program didn't rolled out its first class until 2553 post-Human-Covenant War, but the second class rolled out in 2554 from a much larger pool of candidates. The Chorus Trilogy takes place in 2557. Three years is just enough time to have re-enlisted -if only for the Spartan IV project- and have caught Hargrove's attention. He acquires them to "secure military assets" or something, offers money under the table to do his bidding, has them embedded into the Chorus Civil War and there it is. (Mason Wu's fate could be anything honestly.)

It doesn't seem like Kimball or Doyle know either of them for very long and so I thought it was weird that each of them would be placed in such positions of trust for their respective sides when introduced. But this makes sense if they revealed the fact that they were Spartans to Kimball and Doyle. What raises a soldier's morale more than working with- nay- alongside a Spartan? Nothing.

How is it that the enemy has a fellow Spartan leading them now? Well, we knew each other but now that guy's a dick and I'll handle him since I'm the only one on his level.

Oh, people who were part of a Spartan-esque program are on the planet now? Better send the Spartans to recruit them since Spartans have unparalleled solidarity. Damn these guys sure look like Spartans!

I've said before that I believe Wash to be the most Master Chief leaning Freelancer and I think this is why Locus focuses so much on him. Not just because Wash is a real boy soldier, but because he feels like a Spartan in a way that Locus does not and needs to understand. Master Chief is THE SOLDIER. The face of humanity's struggle to survive against impossible odds. Always getting the job done, no complaint, no emotional burden, just soldiering on. Coming back from certain death. Locus wants to be like the man of modern legend and knows he isn't but that Wash somehow contains the quality he seeks - let's say subconsciously for the more skeptical here.

Their augmented strength and speed explain why they initially out do Wash and Carolina at the Comm. tower. They were not expecting Spartans, and based on my own theory, don't even know what real Spartans look like. But later, despite not being actual Spartans, Wash and Carolina hold them off in 1v1/2v2 in Great Destroyers when anyone else would have been curb-stomped but these Spartan IVs in a matter of moments.

Anyway, that's what I got and I can't unsee it now while watching S11-13. Enjoy this fresh level of hell. (not sure if anyone else has had this theory).