#spiderverse analysis

[alexxuun]

Jeff and Miles’ relationship in ITSV and ATSV

I really really love how Spiderverse tackle Miles’ relationship with his parents, more specifically Jeff and Miles’ relationship. Jeff’s main arc in both movie has been on how to connect to his son so he doesn’t loose him. His relationship with Aaron was what helped him to realise how he could loose Miles.

In Into the Spiderverse, we see him as a father who direct where his son should be as someone who wanted the best opportunity for him. He also forced Miles to say “I love you” back even though Miles was reluctant to do because other kids were watching. He pushed Miles in the direction he think is best but doesn’t considered what Miles find important (fitting in) and his feelings.

Then we saw his relationship with Aaron and how they had drifted apart due to their differences with Jeff being the one who actively disconnected it. When Aaron died, he was devastated because despite all the things he doesn’t approved of Aaron, he still cared for him. Despite all, he regrets not reconnecting his relationship with Aaron and their relationship end with no resolve and no goodbye.

He probably realised then that his relationship with Miles could go down the same path as Aaron and he’s afraid of loosing his son. So when he goes to Miles, he doesn’t demand Miles to talk to him or come out. He stand on the other side of the door and give Miles the option to talk to him when he’s ready to talk. He also said “I love you. You don’t have to say it back, though.”

Because even though he want what’s best for Miles, his life is still his own and he would accept Miles no matter what. He doesn’t want one more important relationship in his life to drift apart until it’s too late to put back together.

And he worked hard to understand Miles, both in ITSV and ATSV. He doesn’t get what’s going on with Miles half of the time, either from his secret identity or him being a teenager, and he does fucked up here and there but he continues to try and learn to understand him. He just loves Miles so much and I think we should talk about Jeff more.

This is also why I think Miles’ “one person” being his dad is actually so important and significant. They both love the other too much to loose them.

“You can’t think about saving the world, you have to think about saving one person.”

[plutonium-triestodraw]

Have any of you guys ever wondered why exactly, in "Into the Spiderverse", the collider pulled 5 spider-people through, instead of random strangers?

The collider works by inserting genetic material into the beam, to select who you're trying to pull from alternate dimensions.

Here in the final battle, you can see them putting in a sample of Kingpin's family's DNA. This will select their genetic matches to come through the collider.

However, the first time they try to do this, in the beginning where the original Peter Parker dies, it goes wrong.

Green Goblin, by putting Spiderman into the beam, is quite literally inserting him as a genetic sample.

This tells the collider to select Spiderman's multiversal equivalents to come through the collider. We can actually see them in the short clip where Peter Parker is looking into the Spiderverse through the collider beam.

Also I love how Noir is still put together, while everyone is glitching out. Not even a collider is going to stop him from having his moment.

Anyways, this is a cool detail I noticed.

Also, someone needs to explain Noir's hat physics to me.

He holds it while he swings, but let's go of it...and it stays on his head. Out of respect for his outfit, I assume.

[starwarskawaii]

It's so interesting to see how Miguel interprets things versus how they happened. The spider escaped. How is that Miles' fault? Peter would most likely have died that night regardless. He didn't die protecting Miles. He died protecting Brooklyn. Stuff got messed up before they stopped the collider. That isn't him or Gwen or Oeter or anyone but Fisk's fault. But Miguel's entire arc is centering around needing someone to blame. Someone in front of him, even if it isn't their fault. Even if it's him.

[paintsplash1712]

Okay but The Spider Society is totally a cult right?

Like am I the only one who's noticed this?

The way they treat people like Gwen is totally like a cult or an abusive family. 'Hey, Gwen, we can see you're all alone with no family or home left so come join our little group and you'll feel whole again everything that happened to you for a reason, but don't call out our BS or you'll be kicked out and never be able to see Miles again!'

Gwen is always on edge with them, she's afraid to speak up until the end of the movie and Peter is too stupid to notice the obvious red flags of Miguel and Jessica-Drew.

Then when Miles reunites with Gwen the Society treats him like shit because of their own personal beliefs and when Miles (as an outsider) tries to call them out they attack him and act like he's a monster that destroyed their perfect home.

And Gwen by that point is too far in to save Miles. Its only when Miles is able to escape she realises how abusive the Spider Society is.

And it's with the help of an ex member, Hobbie, who only stayed to help the newer members escape while they can, that they're able to save Miles (hopefully).

I don't know if I'm over thinking this but I've had this thought this watching the movie

[honeysluiced]

reposting this incredible hobie analysis by @lizzytheowl577 i stumbled across in a youtube comment section

Spoilers ahead 

Ok so Hobie was all set to betray Miguel the moment he realized that Miles might be in trouble. The first thing to tell us this is that Hobie actively congratulates Miles when he stopped the cannon event from happening. Presumably every Spider-person who the event isn't for gets an alert when one is about to happen to keep them from interfering, this includes Hobie. He knows Miles just broke the rules in a major way and he's estatic about it. If I remember right, he's the only person who actually congratulates him on the rescue (Other than Pavitr of course). 

Next, when Miguel orders all of them to come to the Spider-Lobby (I don't think it had an official name and if it did I forgot it) Hobie puts his arm around Miles then says "I don't follow orders and neither does he". I initially read this as Hobie trying to keep Miles safe from Miguel, in a "We'll run right now if we have to kind of way" but the more I think about it, I don't think this is the case. I think Hobie believed that Miles knew he was breaking a cannon event and that's why he tacked on "and neither does he" at the end. 

Once Hobie realizes that Miles is ecstatic to go to the Spider-Lobby, he starts to second guess himself. He asks Gwen how much Miles knows, discovers he knows basically nothing and on the spot switches to talking Miles out of joining. Telling him to make his own watch and that he wouldn't like being in this group.

When Miles asks why Hobie is even there, he's says he's there to look out for his drummer. What he doesn't say is that he's doing that by trying to help Miles. Through this whole conversation, he is stealing bits and pieces of equipment from the lab, and it's implied he uses those pieces later on to make a new watch for Gwen to use. From at least that point, probably earlier, he knows that Miles isn't going to sit quietly while his dad dies, and Gwen is eventually going to want to help him. Which is why he delivers the watch to Gwen instead of trying to go straight to Miles. 

Later on, when Miles is getting angry about all the other Spider-People telling him to let his dad die, Hobie eggs him on. This is not just something he does impulsively. He realized early on when Miles talked about his parents that all he needed was a few nudges to go against Miguel's system. When Miles started showing signs of discontent, he decided to pick that moment to egg him on because that was the most effective time to. Then, Miles gets trapped in the energy prison. 

Hobie helps him get out of it, but the way this is done is genius. He holds up his hands and mouths "palms". To everyone else this would look like he was trying to just calm Miles down. If they just see his hands, it looks like a "calm down" gesture, if they read his lips, "calm" and "palm" are pronounced similarly enough that seeing him mouth one word, they'd assume in that instance he's saying "calm" as in "calm down". This in turn does two things: It gives Miles the element of surprise, and it doesn't make it look like Hobie helped. Those two things give both of them time, Miles get a few stunned seconds of a head start, and nobody chases or tracks down Hobie meaning he has time to make the new watches. He even throws away his current watch because he knows it can be tracked and Miguel might go after him after realizing he didn't help try to catch Miles. 

Basically Hobie is an incredibly intelligent character and they were able to demonstrate this really well in the short amount of time he actually got on screen.

[stormcloudsandshadows]

We only know about what happened to the world Miguel destroyed by replacing the dead him from his perspective. I think something else was going on. I think something else might even have been going on with Pavitr’s world after disrupting that “canon event” because. Like. Miles’s existence supposedly should destroy his world but it’s been a year and four months.

Something something Misunderstandings and trauma and the systems in place hurting everyone that’s a part of them.

People in gwen’s world think spider woman killed Peter Parker. Her dad pulls a gun on her because he thinks she’s a murderer. But Peter became the lizard because of bullying and likely the lack of support in his life.

The spot became a villain because he had no other way to make money. No one would take him, his family wouldn’t look at him. He was shunned by everyone for being other.

Miles always did his own thing. It wasn’t his fault that the scientists at alchemax made the collider. He didn’t choose to get bit. But because he’s outside of what spider society is supposed to be he’s punished.

This is like. A repeated thing here. And Miguel is part of the system but also there’s something going on with him and it probably ties into this.

Hobie is the only spider on Miles’s side because he actively fights against the system that everyone else is tangled up in. There’s a reason Hobie is such an important character here. It’s. I’m onto something right?

[deaddee-anime-brownfanlady]

Black Solidarity in Across the Spider-Verse.   Of all the meta analysis of this movie messages and layers to it.  This is by far one of my top favorite video on Across the Spderverse in regards to focusing on the more Black perspectives of this great movie themes and messages. Especially on the subject of Black solidarity going on between Hobie and Margo not even being super subtle with  it, with them clearly helping out Miles when he seriously needed it the most.   Especially with Margo who went against Miguel orders and didn’t try to stopped Miles when she had the chance to, also I knew Hobie was a real one from the very beginning with how he  that super helpful advice to Miles on using his palms instead of his finger tip when it comes to his electric venom abilities  or him clearly seeing Spider-Society flaws and not being down with it from the start.    

[whosmarinette]

I think at this point I might as well post my theory.

So where do the glitched out things go?

You know? When stuff starts glitching? Atoms don’t belong and stuff? And not only things, where did Gabriela O’Hara go?

“They cease to exist” I hear you say

“Bullshit” I say back

Physics is a great subject. I failed it in school, but it’s great nonetheless. And one simple rule of physics, the law that even most works of fiction, even fantasy tend to abide is the law of conservation of energy.

Things don’t disappear into nothing.

And there is something that even has been mentioned already in Spiderverse, established that it exists and functions, somewhere where things could go without creating collapses in physics as we know it.

HAMMERSPACE

In case y’all need a refresher on what hammerspace is, here’s a comic from the Wikipedia page for hammerspace that explains it better than I could

And when was this concept mentioned? Well, at least once, it was mentioned by the most cartoonish character - Peter Porker, aka, Spider-Ham. I don’t remember if he outright called it hammerspace, but he used it most prominently.

And what was his parting gift for Miles?

A GOD DAMN HAMMER THAT CAN FIT INTO HIS POCKET.

“But maybe it’s only Spider-Ham that uses hammerspace, to signify he is a classic cartoon!” Some of you say, thinking you are very smart

“Where do Hobie’s hair go when he wears his mask?” I ask, and none of y’all smarties can answer.

Spiderverse has established that hammerspace is something that, knowingly or not, basically every and any spider-person can access.

So we have a vast space, where things that basically need to be hidden, usually go, and we have things and people glitching out of existence. Isn’t it logical that those two things are connected?

Wouldn’t it be really fucking funny?