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Disclaimer: I am not anti-Vickie by any means. I think Vickie seems very sweet (although there may be something going on with her we don't know) and I will fully support her and Robin if the Duffers can prove to me in S5 why they work together.
That said, I am going to examine the one, glaring issue I have with Rovickie. If you're not put off by that, read on!
So, most of the criticism leveled against Vickie is that we don't know anything about her. That's true; we don't.
However, my main criticism is:
Does Robin know anything about her??
All we hear from Robin in S4 is that Vickie is the girl of her dreams, but we never hear why. In all her gushing/agonizing to Steve, Robin never tells us what about Vickie makes her so special.
Is she smart? Funny? Ambitious? Kind? Is she a pro at playing poker?
Even Tammy Thompson, whose role in S3 was purely offscreen, got a shout out of traits that Robin valued ("she has dreams!").
We can't say the same for Vickie. All we know is:
-she laughed at one of Robin's (Steve's) jokes
-she likes Fast Times
-she talks a lot when nervous
-she possibly likes boobies
And those last two were only figured out by Robin in the final episode of S4.
If Robin's feelings for Vickie are more than mere infatuation based on looks, wouldn't Robin have told us more than the most surface-level things about her?
And if your immediate response to this "well, she just hasn't spent enough one-on-one time with her to know!" .......that's exactly my point.
The writers have shown time and time again that the shallow relationships where tbe couple got into it without really talking or getting to know each other do not last .
I'm reminded of Lucas telling Mike "you're just blind because a girl isn't grossed out by you." 👀
All this in the same season where Robin is spending one-on-one time with Nancy, getting to know her and respect the things that make her "her". Rather than just looks, Robin gets to see Nancy's drive, intellect, leadership and bravery.
She calls her a "genius", says she is "full of surprises", and learns even more about her when Nancy opens up about her relationship inecurities. Robin sees her complexity.
I don't know about you, but to me, this is the core of why Rovickie is not as compelling as a ship. If they are meant to be endgame, why was Robin paired with Nancy all season?
Surely there could've been some plot device to bring Vickie into the fold, just like Max was brought into the Party back in S2.
Vickie could've been trapped with Robin and the older teens after some supernatural things happened at rhe pep rally or other school function and they got separated from the rest, or she could've been related to the Creels and the gang needed to ask her for help. It's a TV show; they can do whatever they want.
Either way, they decided not to involve her in the main plot of the show at all, preventing both Robin and the viewers from getting to know her fully. I believe this was intentional and will have consequences for their relationship in S5.
One final thought- in early S4, Robin tells Steve that she has found the girl of her dreams but can't get the courage to ask her out, whereas Steve goes on a ton of dates but has no idea what he wants.
I think it would be VERY interesting if their roles were actually swapped, i.e. by the end of S4, Robin is the one who doesn't really know what she wants, and Steve is the one who realizes he has found the (person) of his dreams.
vecna 0.5 seconds after one of will’s HAIRS fall off his head and land in hawkins.
Hold the fuck up.. . Steddie AU but it's this bubbline scene from Obsidian
Why do I get the feeling this also applies to Will.....?
"Look, he's not like you, Hopper. He's not like me. He's not like most. "
Oh... so Will is not like most? Is he different? Special?
I think I figured something out!
I took another look at Murray's place in 4x01 to see if there were any goodies, and I saw they focused on this poster for many shots:
Clearly, it was something to focus on. I saw it said Saltzburger Festspiele, a European music featival, then looked very closely to see what year it was. 1976.
So I Googled Saltzburger Festpiele 1976 to see if I could get a program of the music or something and what is the first thing I see?
The Talisman!!!
Which is also the name of the Stephen King novel Lucas reads to Max in the final episode of S4, which people have theorized may have clues for S5.
Ngl I would love to hear the couple phone conversations Mike did have with Will in between S3 and S4.
How awkward were they? How long? What did they talk about? Did Mike tell Will about Hellfire? Did they ever talk about that Christmas meetup that never transpired? Did Mike fill up the calls with meaningless small talk, or did he let the silences run long, so he could listen to the sound of Will breathing?
El unwittingly created the perfect day in Lenora for Max, not Mike