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*cough* I’ve just remembered… my startrekgate theory that I shared in February when we didn’t know that Tales would have 2 seasons…

briefly what it is about:

Conformitygate has a lot of connections to Star Trek, and this exact theory I mentioned was about Star Trek The Animated Series (Star Trek TAS).

Here are screenshots from the og post:

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Guess how many season TAS had before Star Trek final movies? TWO, to be exact ____

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boy oh boy I was wrong lol we’ll need to tolerate 2 seasons in the end of the day 👀

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If the pattern continues, we might get 6 episodes/movies, like original Star Trek. But the amount of seasons in the original series of Star Trek and Stranger Things are different (3 and 5), so it may be also not the case. But anyway, interesting how so far it still aligns…

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one of my favourite shots where high quality of production is impossible to ignore

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find ten differences

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Beam me up, Mad Max? Or Michael Myers?

Beam me up, because I’m in the upside down? Which… ofc, it sucks! Ofc it does.

Or beam Mad Max up? If she is so far Michael Myers, White Rabbit from Donnie Darko?

The girl on the picture is talking, asking to beam her up, but 3 guys and 1 girl worry about the space ship. Maybe they don’t need to worry because the space ship is Will’s rainbow ship, and once she’ll go up she’s gonna be fine. Will helping Max to get out from Camazotz? Or is it rainbow ship aka byler ship? bc, as we know, gay love will save the world?

MM seemed too intentional

gif from here

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Another Star Trek parallel meaning Stranger Things will have movies?

The Original Series of Star Trek had 3 seasons, 6 movies and ANIMATED SERIES between them!

Istg, when I thought to make a post about animated Trek, I had no idea that I’d get this insight lmao However, it does look like The Duffer Brothers can parallel this too!

Welcome to Star Trek TAS (The Animated Series)

Initially I wanted to show you just this as a good bonus to startrekgate. But when I typed that this exact show was aired BETWEEN two parts of TOS, its series and its movies…

LOL

I cannot! If the DB for real are doing exactly it, it’s unbelievable!

I gasped.

You know why TAS exists? Because TOS was cancelled after 3 seasons. It was still good but not enough to keep going which was fixed later with an animated series that added two more seasons to the plot.

What does it mean for Stranger Things?

I don’t think that we need to tolerate “two more seasons” before the finale:) The DB might just re-create the pattern itself. But what I do think is:

they did a series 👉 they “cancelled” it 👉 they’ll air an animated series 👉 they’ll air movies to finish the story

Which happened to TOS. It existed in the period of 1966-1969. The animated series with the same crew was released 1973-1974. Then in 1979-1986 they had six more movies finishing the story of the first crew. (Then we got a reboot with an alternative timeline with the same crew in 2009-2016, surprise-surprise.)

What will not be paralleled:

TAS didn’t change canon, it was just two more seasons of the same journey, which is not the case for Tales as it supposedly will depict a period from the past. And maybe from the changed past.

My basic assumption on what Tales might be is in this post, and you can check all connected posts by the hashtag of this gate.

But what about the changed past in Tales85?

This parallel also exists in Star Trek, just not in the animated series but in new movies with the same crew but in another timeline!

To sum up, the original crew stories that The DB parallel:

1) Mike in Camazotz with the original Star Trek movies (search of Mike’s mind, memory loss)

2) the changed timeline with alternative original Star Trek

3) the existence of their animated series placed between the original not finished project and its actual finale with the animated series of original Star Trek.

And I can’t believe that, but it looks that I was right about this:

That Tales could indeed hint at Star Trek’s Starfleet delta! Because, as it turns out, Tales might in general hint at Star Trek!

Based on all this, I assume that we can have an actual finale after Tales. I might be wrong (I wish!). Or another good option: the DB can just “parallel” an animated part only. Or the animated part + movies. We’ll see, but that👆is the reason why I suppose that the finale may be released later.

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Alternative Star Trek: mistakes and a timeline change taken for Stranger Things

As we discuss time being set up for s5, I feel like coming back to startrekgate is quite reasonable.

If you are not familiar with Star Trek or you haven’t read my analysis on similarities between it and Stranger Things, check out firstly this post. And here’s the tag of the gate for more 🖖

Check the gate in general, but for tldr I’ll point out that before we mainly spoke about parallels with the universe of The Original Series of Star Trek (TOS) (and a bit about the next crew’s show, TNG ).

And now let me introduce you to Star Trek AOS: Alternative Original Series.

here are pictures for attracting your attention heh

Basically what it is: 3 movies, aired from 2009 to 2016, that rebooted the original universe with the old characters which allowed its authors to create a new story about them not butchering canon.

(So new audience didn’t even need to know the source at all, but old audience could get all the references and see how it was re-created).

You know how they did that? How they reasoned their reboot? By creating an alternative timeline.

How did they reasoned the timeline?

They depicted an enemy who went back in time and changed an event in the past that created the whole new reality.

This description 👆surprisingly valid for both: Star Trek Alternative universe AND Stranger Things s5.

Like I said, AOS consists of 3 movies. 3 to be exact

Star Trek 2009

The first one establishes relationship between two main characters, Spock and Kirk (spirk), (their original story is here), which, due to the new timeline, is different from the ones we know from the original series.

How different you might ask?

That much that spirk basically haven’t even met by the beginning of the movie, but when they do, they firstly hate each other which never was the case for the original timeline (TOS), to Stranger Things it’s relevant due to Mike and Will’s lost closeness (that led us to the upsetting resolution).

Star Trek Into Darkness 2013

The second movie has now spirk’s closeness and recreates the 2nd movie from The Original universe — again, I mentioned how it was handled in TOS in this analysis, AOS’s version is kinda the same, what important for Stranger Things s5 is:

1) the plot which is still about the villain with super-blood, believing that he’s better than others acting “as a genocidal dictator and terrorist”.

2) Khan is also on one of the movie’s covers. I’d say you’ll never guess why it’s big but you saw it in this post above:

Another way of connection between these two is El having “superior” blood like Henry + her “I’m a monster” plot being played out.

3) as for promised mistakes of the 2nd movie:

Spock and Uhura is a couple. Uhura is third wheeling in Spock and Kirk relationship, even given that Kirk hits on her in this timeline initially too. Spock getting involved in a relationship with her is out of nowhere and this never happened in The Original Series (Kirk hitting on her is also not canon but at least in canon they had a kiss).

So I obviously don’t know if it can even hint now whether Eleven was not supposed to be in a “true” timeline of Stranger Things (and whether she will be with Mike at all in the edited timeline), but as for “mistakes” that The Duffer Brothers could take into their “bad finale parallel”, — m11 in the end gives all the out-of-nowhere-ships (after not being relevant for the past season), which parallels to Spock/Uhura as well. (Who, I swear, is better as a non-romantic connection.)

Star Trek Beyond 2016

The final part of AOS and the bad one. Honestly, I personally don’t even rewatch it, even though it has not bad parts, it’s not that bad in general, but it still kinda is… And you know why?

Sounds like a finale of the show we know?

That’s is a taken mistake #2.

The mistake #3: separating Kirk and Spock.

The iconic duo, who in the 2nd movie (both, in the original one and in the alternate one) has just got the most intimate moment between them, in the next movie has almost no common scenes.

Which (guess what) upset the fans and didn’t help the movie with its disservice.

To sum up

ST1: villain reboots a timeline, bc of that the main ship loses their closeness

ST2: revolves around a superior-human villain depicted on the poster referenced by a superior-human El + has a not needed straight couple involving the guy from the main ship

ST3: an example of a weak generic action movie (an example of the bad “finale”) that side-lined their main ship after they behaved “too gay”

I had a little bonus for you that turned into a separate post about Tales from 85 being another parallel from Star Trek!

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I couldn’t resist 😭 [ not possible memes part 7, goddamit ]

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El is Dr. McCoy

Should we even start on the fact that McCoy being a part of triumvirate also is Spock and Kirk’s symbolical combination, which is heavily reflected guess where: Eleven is byler!

I know, there are a lot of analyses on exactly this part of her character’s symbolism, I personally said just this so far on 5x08. What made me think about it atm is going through the plot of Star Trek II (mentioned in my first analysis) where McCoy carries Spock “soul” (katra) until he can give it back. So, while Spock and Kirk are iconic as a duo, McCoy is the third friend in their group and third angle in the triangle. Which makes the figure stable and complete.

Somehow, writing even this now helps me see that willelmike triangle doesn’t work while the corners are disconnected. It’s either Mike lying to El, which breaks their platonic connection (as they try to be romantic, but that doesn’t work, so they don’t work at all), or it is Will who diminishes his feelings for their happiness, or maybe it is El who doesn’t know what’s really happening, so their communication is broken and doesn’t fully work.

Speaking of McCoy, basically we have 2 main interpretations for his figure: as being the third friend/aspect — or combine two main ones being a bridge.

As McCoy carried Spock’s katra, it shows his as a significant figure in Spock’s life too. But so is El for Mike. Just that he is not in love with her doesn’t mean he doesn’t care. So deleting her from his life — or from Will’s life (and I’ll remind you that they are considered even as siblings) breaks this perspective. It doesn’t mean that she has to be exactly around byler, but it does mean that she either can be (as a friend and a sister) or can be in touch (here you’re introduced to my dreams to see them chilling with Kali looking for what they really want to do in life). And, like I said in my note about 5x08: her absence equals byler’s absence, her ambiguous absence (presence) makes byler the same, and when she’s back, byler is also back. However, I might assume that my take on her future “staying in touch” can make sense in terms of her being around (so byler is ok) but not being needed to parallel Mike’s projection: when he can love Will with no fear, he won’t need to torture El with his lack of feelings to her, so she can be free and byler will be self-sufficient, not needing any buffers anymore.

So getting back once again to McCoy and katra, what I’m saying is not that El will hold Mike’s mind but that she has an access in mind melding too. For me the reference speaks more about the idea in general, that someone’s (Mike’s) mind/soul can be transferred/carried/seen by another human. But seeing McCoy as this “glue” helping Spock in STII, I immediately thought of exactly El, helping — but not exactly helping Mike as it just obviously ruins the whole logic of Mike/Will’s future mind-melding. There’s a reason after all for Will to have these powers now:) So no, McCoy functioning as a carrier speaks to me “Will”, but McCoy glueing a plot together (symbolically helping byler on the way) speaks to me “El”.