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TAKE THIS WITH A GRAIN OF SALT (AS ALWAYS), BUT...

From r/conformitygatetheory on Reddit ⬇️

If we remember correctly:

⬆️ THE COLOURS ARE IDENTICAL??? ⬇️

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Creelby is the key to Byler Endgame... just not in the way you're thinking (what I'm calling #BobGate)

Part 23: The First Snowball

With all the buzz surrounding Snow Ball '84 today (thanks @lilialunaa 😉 and @junostarzz, I saw your Twitter posts!) re: the BTTF parallels, Vecna's return to the Snow Ball in S4, and all the Snow Ball reminders in connection to S5 --

I thought I would move up this post because I do think we'll be rewinding to the Snow Ball...

More than one: Snow Ball '84 and Snow Ball '58

If you read Parts 15 and 16 of #Bobgate, you likely remember my hypothesis that the timeline of TFS (a span of several years) was likely condensed to Fall of 1959 for simplicity's sake, since Henry would've been canonically twelve at the time, and TFS is set after the Creel murders*.

*Murders were established via newspaper clippings to have taken place in *March* 1959 on ST, while it's said to have happened the night of Joyce's play on Nov. 6th in TFS.

Henry wouldn't have been in high school... but he could have been in middle school.

All Victor tells Nancy and Robin in S4 is that the Creels only had "one month of peace" in their house before the tortured animals started showing up and the terrifying apparitions began. He never says how long this paranormal activity was taking place.

Therefore, it wouldn't be completely outside the realm of possibility to think that the Creels lived in Hawkins long enough for Henry to be attending Hawkins Middle in the Fall of 1958 and attend that year's Snow Ball.

Why do I suspect he did?

From the West End production of TFS:

Patty: "What do you see?" Henry: "You, Patty. Outside Melvald's. When we got thrown out for kissing. It started to snow. It's beautiful. It's perfect." Patty: "What is?" Henry: "You are. Everything is." We see Henry gallantly drape his jacket over Patty's shoulders. Her back faces the audience (likely so we can see *memory Patty* and *real Patty* at the same time onstage).

He's referring to this scene where he and Patty share a sweet kiss after agreeing to a "date" to find Patty's mom from Henry's attic.

Even though Melvald is quick to clock and shut down the kiss between them, there are plenty of other couples canoodling on the dance floor.

On the dance floor.

Is there *any* chance that, like with all of Henry's other memories, the scene at Melvald's is a substitute for -- a distortion of -- a memory at the Snow Ball?

After all, as Henry recounts the moment outside the Snow Ball of Melvald's, the song "I Only Have Eyes For You" is playing.

Here are the lyrics for reference:

"My love must be a kind of blind loveI can't see anyone but you Are the stars out tonight? I don't know if it's cloudy or bright I only have eyes for you, dear"

This song choice and the red lighting of the scene lead me to believe this is once again Patty/MF's mind tricks at play, making Henry believe Patty was the one he'd shared this "beautiful", "perfect" moment with when really...

It was Bob Newby, once again being upstaged.

And if we needed more proof, @incredibyler made a brilliant Creelby connection to this WSQK moment:

"this next dedication is for george and sammy, they became friends at the middle school snowball a few years back and have been joined at the hip ever since. hey, that's snowball for ya, pretty magical stuff happens there. you tend to, uh, forge bonds in the middle of combat, especially ones involving... sometimes, iceballs. now we have a song request from a... mr. whatsit? [bg music fades out] ..mr. whatsit. guys, we're supposed to be checking these.. before we go on air. i mean, you know, whatever man just.. [silent running by mike + the mechanics fades in] just holding the weight of this station on my shoulders, but [yelling away from the mic] fine! here's a song for mr. whatsit!"

OP also, in a separate post, connected "Sammy" to Sean Astin's character Samwise Gamgee in LOTR. Now, would that make Henry "George"?

I believe it does.

So, if Bob and Henry did go to the Snow Ball together, it raises the question --

What really happened?

While it's not entirely out of the realm of possibility that they shared a kiss here (like Lumax and Mileven did), these are two young boys in the 1950s. I can't imagining either of them feeling comfortable or brave enough to kiss and run the risk of being caught by their peers and teachers at school.

WSQK's "bonds forged in battle" messaging makes me wonder if it wasn't a kiss that got Henry and Bob kicked out of the Snow Ball, but rather a fight?

Bob himself admitted in S2 that he struggled a lot with bullies as a kid, but could never put up a fight against them.

What if, like Will and Mike, Bob was being bullied at the Snow Ball --

When in stepped the new kid, Henry Creel --

And used his powers to save Bob from these bullies?

Though, if the WSQK dedication is any indication, I have a feeling Henry might have given Bob the courage to get his licks in too.

Of course, fighting at a school dance is definitely grounds to get kicked out. But then --

"It started to snow. It's beautiful. It's perfect."

That could have been the beginning of their beautiful friendship: bonding over radios, comics, and Captain Midnight.

Bonding over being real-life superheroes, even if for the briefest moment.

A "Snow Ball" that would eventually turn into an avalanche.

Maybe that's why Vecna felt so compelled to return to that critical moment via Max --

Because the Snow Ball was just as important to him as it was to her.

But, returning to Melvald's in TFS --

Who else was there?

There's, of course, Bob, who dances with Joyce. It's a cute background moment until Joyce ditches Bob at the very same time Patty suggests her and Henry's attic adventure could be a date.

There's also Karen and Ted who, again, make out right in front of Melvald and are not scolded;

Sue and Charles, neither of whom lived in Hawkins at the time according to Lucas on the Line;

And Hopper confronting the Conjur Man/Alan Munson (who we can suppose is actually Scott Clarke).

Hopper is grilling the Conjur Man for being "too lost" in his role, believing him to be the one behind the animal killings. However, Alan Scott is drowning his sorrows.

He says it's over the murder of his dog Brando, but could Scott actually have been crying over something else?

Like unreciprocated feelings? Like seeing his best friend Bob leave the dance with another boy?

Damn, maybe Mike really is Mr. Clarke after all...

I don't have much else, but I think it's safe to say the Snow Ball's parallels with BTTF's "Enchantment Under the Sea" dance is no coincidence, and that it will lead to a lot of time-jumping --

With the Snow Ball as the nexus point.

Though perhaps the time travel won't be entirely literal.

Like El says at the top of S4, "We're all time travelers."

And it's true. She even does it that same season, just not through a flux capacitor. She does it through memories.

We see Holly, Max, and Kali do it too -- in Henry's mind.

It really can be a gift -- being able to jump through time in our minds. Sometimes with the aid of writings, drawings, photos, film. Recalling our favorite moments from the past so vividly, as if we were still living it.

But it can also be a curse when some of those memories are things we'd prefer stayed buried.

Or even worse still -- being cursed with forgetting and being helpless to stop the descent into oblivion.

But could a Snow Ball -- Winter's Dark Bite -- have the power to vanquish the Thessalhydra?

To release the lost souls and restore the memories it's consumed?

Maybe wishful thinking. But then again...

Stranger things have happened.

Forgive my lame pun; I didn't know how else to sign this off. Still --

Stay tuned.

Disclaimer: I'm going to break my evidence for this theory into different posts under #BobGate (also #PuzzleGate) but, if possible, let's keep this contained to Tumblr because I think there are folks who might care about being spoiled for what I think is going to be an amazing twist (if #conformitygate is in fact real) **I haven't come across a theory quite like this one, but in case someone else also had the thought, please lmk!

LET ME FUCKING COOK REAL QUICK

ok so when IT reveals that IT exists in time omnipresently, it sets up the plot point that IT knows of its own death and wants to stop it, thus will go back in time to stop it from happening.

I HATE THIS.

The omnipresence thing is cool and lovecraftian and cosmic but very complicated for the story- i think this whole thing could be solved however.

Ok so, what if IT’s omnipresence only existed through others. If everytime the deadlights are shown to someone, it takes in all the info from the victim up until that point and goes to the same source. The deadlights are a big cosmic iCloud!

So, when Beverly sees them in 1989, it knows of the losers from her memory. She has no way of knowing they’re coming to rescue her and they’ll fuck ITs shit up because it hasn’t happened yet.

ok this is where it doesn’t make much sense and my game theory is going to bite me in the ass

When Richie sees the deadlights in 2016, IT gathers the fact that the losers beat him in ‘89, that Stan is dead (which would explain how IT was able to pull the fortune cookie thing without actually leaving Derry and how Bev knew Stan dies in 89), etc. All of this info is taken and transmitted to the cloud before the losers deliver the killing blow, so IT wouldn’t know it actually dies bc it hasn’t seen it through Richie.

There are issues with this ofc. I feel like IT would notice that there’s a weird drop off where the info hes getting from the deadlights just stops in 2016 like that’s really suspicious. I think IT’s ego is big enough that it wouldn’t even consider the possibility of dying so maybe that solves it??

Anyways I don’t like this development.

#im reaching critical levels of cope right now #welcome to derry #stephen king #pennywise #andy muschietti #the losers club #the deadlights #my crackpot theories and headcanons ig #timetravelgate

Post to add some hypothetical parallels from the movie inspo board s04. It's mostly for time travel theories.

I will briefly discuss five movies, but there is more which are linked by the same theme. Some of them are already discussed by bylers who watched and love those movies. I am sorry I can't keep up with links but I remember there was Arrival pointed out already, and Timeline?

OK, let's go.

#byler #memorygate #flickergate #Timetravelgate

Also did you notice their tendency to say “it’s been 10 years”?? (Caleb, I’m looking at you)

Like, okay when it happens at Jimmy’s show, and you can kinda round up numbers, it’s what we do too in the fandom. I won’t say it’s that weird… but.

But… no, it’s not? It’s not correct, it hasn’t been ten years, the show, you want me to believe, was over in 2025. 9 years. Even if it’s 9 years and half. But still not ten. And the show was conveniently “over” on the very last day of 2025, when you still can’t round up a year to 2026 and say, no, literally — from 2016 to 2026, 10!

Unless… 🙃

Timegate, glad you visited me once again, long time no see.

It’s interesting that it can sound like a stretch but at the same time like a big coincidence (so what, if they round up the number, who doesn’t, big deal!), but at the same time — for real, the 31st of December is SO ON THE EDGE of them being RIGHT about ten years. But it is not! Stop saying ten, it’s not! IF it is not actually true and not just a figure of speech…

And it’s funny that it can be actual timetravelgate as them being from the future knowing that it will be ten years, and that’s why they use this number everywhere. Because it’s true. Otherwise, you can ofc say whatever, it’s not that deep — but saying endlessly that your show’s been on screen for 10 years when it has not… (Shawn, now I’m looking at you and your taking part in 2016-2026 challenge, ok, which felt weird right away when you posted that) I have an eye twitch bc of that.

#timegate #timetravelgate #stranger things #byler #conformitygate #stranger things 5 #stranger things season 5 #caleb mclaughlin #byler endgame #watergatefiles #hawkinsfiles #shawn levy #tales85gate #lovewinsgate

@anotherjlynn noticed Lucas’s s3 shirt changes, @erikiara80 added that he repeats gestures three times, and it made me go down a rabbit hole; comparison of the pic is from the og post, and Doc Brown from my BTTFgate post

空手 — karate ; キッド— kid (Japanese)

Karate Kid in ST has been haunting me.

I knew that it’s a martial art movie, and saw no connection to ST ideas. Now that we suspect a time loop involving the shirt with the name of the movie (and an apparent BTTF ref), I wondered, whether I’d missed something. As far as I knew, the franchise had nothing to do with time travelling.

However… Turned out that it’s not exactly right 👀

something something about dreams and a coma, something something passed out Mike in 5x04, something something a trip to China sounds nice

And here’s a curious match with T85:

something something Saturday morning cartoon

Also “to do something different” in the part 3, is it like the DB wanted to do something different in their season 3? “Do a flying people movie”? “It’s like I could fly” you mean?

This is not the first ref. related to KK, I once went down Ralph Macchio rabbit hole, an actor from KK, and found out that this scene is an homage to the episode “Two Guys, a Girl and a Pizza Place” of the series “Happily divorced” about a couple where the ex-husband is a closeted gay man. Ik I’ve shared it, but it is so mind blowing, I believe it deserves more attention!

⚠️ but I recommend you to check the whole post, there are more juicy details:

💬 8 🔁 13 ❤️ 71 · Conformitygate proofs and byler Easter eggs: · HIMYM, Ralph Macchio, Eric Stolz and Madonna’s “Angel” So, today we disco

Also I loved these finds about Karate Kid:

does it, by any chance, remind you of any show a fanbase of which would be bitching about having only first two seasons grounded and realistic, and about continuous reheating of their nachos?

#karatekidgate #conformitygate #lovewinsgate #lwg #watergatefiles #lucas sinclair #stranger things #timegate #timetravelgate #bttfgate #hawkinsfiles

Why is Holly a cleric? What actually happens to Hopper? And what exactly is Will connected to?

Let’s make it clear once again that I’m here to ask questions, not to give answers :D or let’s see how lucky I am to clock this show’s plot (or its plot holes).

Here we have elmike’s dialogue comparing Dustin to Hopper, after which we have two foreshadowings that never play out:

1) A clock and a handset, both dropped and broken. I’ve seen quite a bunch of posts indicating the importance of both objects here in the show. What can it say about Hopper? Maybe it can foreshadow some problematic situation for him where he’ll end up out of “time and connection” — metaphorically (bc he still is in touch with other members of the party in this scene). But the fact that those two objects are in one shot put in one position kinda speaks for itself. Both symbolic objects! Broken, dropped and that’s the first thing we see before Hopper gets ready to enter the UD.

🕰️ Also — is it not even numbers on that clock??

2) And what about Joyce’s question?

Does she say it to foreshadow anything serious or just to play a caring girlfriend? Why is this scene needed? All together it looks like Hop shouldn’t make it, something should go very wrong. Not just that he gets shot, but being okay after all.

And at that moment they were still expecting it to be their usual crawl. Hoping it’s not but not expecting demos.

And here’s where it becomes interesting.

Firstly, idk mb it’s just an inconsistency (that’s already being discussed as one) but why didn’t Will feel anything out of Hawkins if there are Demos in Russia too? The wormhole that we saw shows just Hawkins as well which makes it weird. (The reason I’m asking it here is: why does Will feel it exactly before it attacks Hopper’s car? It’s obvs that this demo was close to that place some steps before. When does his neck start signaling?)

But okay, let’s go to my secondly:

Why does Will feel Vecna/demos this day? Bc Nov 6th is soon? But it’s not that day yet. It’s just one more crawl. And yet demos attack military in the UD for the first time in 18 months? Why is it shown as an unusual situation? And wasn’t Vecna around this whole time befriending kids?

So anyway, the first demo appears, light flickers, Will connects to it annnd… falls on the floor when demo jumps off the car but the car with Hopper crashes into the wall. Coincidence?

And it’s not that Will passes out here: his mind still in this demo running to Wheelers’ house. But why did he fall exactly when Hopper crashed in that car? (Ofc it still can be just edited this way, one thud after another but I honestly don’t know.) But once again: from the demo’s POV nothing’s changed, it was calmly sitting on the car roof, then jumped (and the car crashed after) and ran to the house. That is, nothing happened that could make Will fall at that moment him being a demo. Not a single attack affected him this way as when the demo was chilling and Will fell with no connection to the demo’s actions.

And then how he comes back is — Joyce slapping him on the face. For real? Like… Idk I swear, is it what really disconnects you from interdimensional creatures when they’re so tightly connected to you? Why did demo attack those exact cars and only after that ran to the house? I mean, probably here it’s just a plot holes zone that allowed Will to see where this creature heads next bc we needed to know and it was the way to show us that. But I have my “why did demo connect to Will that exact moment” and “why did Joyce manage to disconnect him that easily” questions anyway.

But let’s consider for a moment that something happens to Will here, something that can affect the party or even reality (or they way they see it) — I suggest you to remember this one scene:

which leaves me with these following questions:

Why is Holly paralleled to Will here? As she’s been (going to be) paralleled to Mike during the whole season. Is it for something that I can’t consider here yet or is it for this foreshadowing:

Does it mean that it is Will who can teleport people anywhere? Did he teleport Hop in the no-time no-connection zone? Or did he eventually teleport Mike to Camazotz?

Speaking of Hop, even if him being under attack has not enough reasoning (and was needed mostly to show the Wheeler’s house) he still had that not cool foreshadowing before which could lead somewhere where we can’t probably predict, and he still was paralleled to Dustin. Which could also foreshadow something “very wrong” for Dustin too.

And I don’t see him being beaten up by bullies as this thing bc they bully him all the time, and it doesn’t exactly parallel Hop. I don’t know if my assumed parallel was about to happen anyway — it just felt like if they were compared, and Hopper got in something worse than what we saw, then it can happen to Dustin too. Especially bc he was accepted by his schoolmates at his graduation and his bullies conveniently disappeared which… sounds like absolute bs.

I got some questions about Hop in the nexts eps too, but haven’t rewatched all of them to sum up. So for now this is it.