Kagerou Project Comparisons ~
Wannyanpuu’s Kagerou Daze fanmade pv [Oct. 29 2011] (*Incomplete ver.) vs.
Headphone Actor [Dec. 15 2011] vs.
Wannyanpuu’s Kagerou Daze fanmade pv [Dec. 17 2011]*
*NON-CANONICAL BUT vs.
MCA 04, now in HIBIYA’S Daze particularly* [2014]
* despite the fact they originally appeared in Headphone Actor,
Actor!Takane’s pv
* the original Kagerou Daze pv was uploaded by Jin Sept. 30 2011.
* the incomplete version of Wannyanpuu’s fanmade pv wasn’t finished yet after the second chorus, the interlude scene with the clocks
(and the bird on a wire) being added in the fully complete version
(posted days after Headphone Actor pv’s debuted).
However, it appears Jin incorporated the bird on a wire into Hibiya’s Daze particularly regardless in MCA 04, now with
EXTRA OMINOUS BIRDS FOR EXTRA OMINOUS FORESHADOWING OF
THE ADDITIONAL TIMELOOPS
* Wannyanpuu would later temporarily join Jin’s team between the 2012-2013 Kagepro fandom era, contributing PVs for Souzou Forest / Imagination Forest (+ the later Kuusou Forest / Fantasy Forest), Kisaragi Attention, and Otsukimi Recital. Before Souzou Forest she collaborated on Konoha no Sekai Jijou’s [“Konoha’s State of the World”] pv with Sidu.
* She also DESIGNED Momo Kisaragi and Mary Kozakura.
* Her original short-haired Hiyori was designed long before Jin’s Hiyori, Jin’s Hiyori of which appeared to incorporate parts of Wannyanpuu’s design, sans the the shorter hair.
this line + its entire scene were from “Konoha’s State of the World” episode during the time of Konoha’s creation, as Konoha is seen before Haruka.
Just. You know. In case you still think Konoha / Saeru ISN’T immortal.
Even though we legit got this confirmed as WAY BACK as the 2012 Disintegration Book:
KONOHA
A boy who lost his memory. Stays at Hiyori’s sister’s house,
has an IMMORTAL BODY.
(all HARUKA’S stats below)
Name: Kokonose Haruka
Height: 182cm
Weight: 64kg
Blood type: O
DOB: 24th December
From Jin (Konoha):
Konoha is a gentle and quiet boy, and also has a natural side of himself. Although he’s diligent, he had a serious illness*. The one who appeared last in the 1st novel is the present Konoha, he’s also very different now compared to his past*.
* lines pertaining to Haruka and NOT KONOHA, obviously, but we didn’t know this at the time because it hadn’t been written by Jin yet.
Like, tbh, I’m tired of debating this, you guys.
The canonical text tells you RIGHT THERE he’s immortal,
the 2nd manga route told you MORE THAN ONCE that he’s immortal.
The least this fandom could do is acknowledge it if you want to even attempt to understand the timelines and this series that you complain about so much.
this was the ONE profile we got for Saeru
(back when he was “Kuro Konoha”), btw:
Kagerou Project References ~ “The Daze” / Azami’s “new” “world”
[MCA Route] + does time pass in the Daze ?? +
“ DO PEOPLE GROW OLD IN THE DAZE “ ??
MCA:
Kagerou Project Analysis: Hibiya (& Hiyori) Encountering Momo Kisaragi Before “the Daze”
[ How, When, Where, & Why do Hibiya (& Hiyori)
encounter Momo before the Kagerou Daze song happens ? ]
[ also: The Daze itself. ]
( continued from here ! )
Friendly reminder the official order of the Routes / timelines goes, like so:
Music Route -> Manga Route -> Novels Route [as of 2014] and/or MCA Route
MCA: ‘closest to the latter’ (but now we may have more Routes coming so .....)
Music Route:
(keeping in mind what’s been recapped so far from previous posts!)
- Momo Kisaragi hasn’t even been created at the time Kagerou Days was.
- Kagerou Days happens.
- Hibiya wakes up inside the Daze.
- “What time is it now?”
- Repeat (two verses/choruses/loops)
- Third loop:
- “Ah!” “Yume [dream]”?
- Repeat final time; Hibiya switches ? the timelines.
- Momo Kisaragi does not yet exist in the real world (our world).
- Momo Kisaragi is later created / designed by Wannyanpuu.
- Wannyanpuu: possibly contributed to inspirations for the storyline
(especially re: Hiyori Asahina’s design / concept.)
- Wannyanpuu’s Hibiya: has phone. (phone: has time)
- Jin’s Hibiya, still: “what time is it now?”
[ all Routes after ]
[ Hibiya: /no phone ( until possibly novel 8′s end ) ]
[ Hiyori: /has phone ]
[ Ayano: doesn’t even bother mentioning ‘the phone’ ]
Manga Route:
- Shintaro & Momo encounter Hibiya & Hiyori very very early on.
- The entire course of the Routes changes almost immediately.
- Hibiya: “the boy who doesn’t have a wish” [to “save the girl” (yet)] - Saeru
- Hibiya & Hiyori don’t know about “The Park”
- The Park: the initial spot where the Kagerou Daze first begins / traps them.
- Momo: tells them about “The Park”. (MOMO NO) (MOMO STOP)
- Hibiya & Hiyori: encounter truck.
- Hibiya & Hiyori: dies / encounters Daze?
- Hibiya (& Hiyori, but not shown until later on): revives (with Snakes ? ?? )
- Saeru (Snake of Clearing Eyes) forms in Hibiya sometime before
- Hibiya meets (Manga Route) Ayano.
- Hibiya meets Ayano at “The Park”, while trying to remember what happened to him & Hiyori.
- Hibiya can’t recall everything that happened to him.
- Hibiya notably glances towards the swingset
[prominent in Wannyanpuu’s Kagerou Days and indirectly seen in MCA.]
[Hibiya & Hiyori often sit there having heart-to-hearts before the Daze happens.]
- Ayano: tells Hibiya about Azami’s past.
- Saeru: [ possibly: hearing all of this. ]
- Hibiya later winds up in the care of Momo & Shintaro as they all try to search for Hiyori.
- In between, them all encountering various members of the Dan, Konoha (Hibiya encounters Konoha), etc. [ will come back to Konoha later ]
- Saeru: possessed Hibiya at some point before meeting Ayano.
- everything else: happens
- Hiyori: [seemingly] has Focusing Eyes.
- Hiyori: hasn’t had an “Otsukimi Recital” type solo encounter with Momo.
- Hiyori: will probably fail no matter what she does.
- it can only be Hibiya [ ?? ?? ? ]
- Hibiya: “i’m sorry” - to Hiyori
- Hibiya: dead. (no thanks Saeru)
- Konoha: also dead, trying to save Hibiya. (again no thanks Saeru)
- Saeru: duped everyone into thinking Hibiya had Focusing Eyes.
- (ok but what if ..... Saeru’s still duping everyone .....)
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- HOW WOULD (COULD?) HIBIYA REVIVE WITHOUT THE SNAKE OF FOCUSING EYES ???
- IS IT (HIM REVIVING) JUST BECAUSE OF SAERU ???
- IS IT BECAUSE OF ANYTHING ELSE ????? ???
- HOW LONG WAS MANGA ROUTE SAERU THERE FOR ???
- SAERU: “FROM THE VERY BEGINNING” - DIRECT QUOTE FROM SAERU
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- IS IT POSSIBLE FOR TWO SAERUS TO BE POSSESSING HIBIYA AT ONCE ?????
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- Manga Route’s New Form Saeru (literally the most recent chapter as of the initial writing of this post):
“ Hello ! ”
Novels Route:
- Momo Kisaragi exists design-wise and “in real life”-wise (our world), but .....
- Hibiya & Hiyori do not encounter her before The Daze.
- Hibiya & Hiyori wake up inside The Daze.
- Hibiya has various monologues while inside The Daze, Hiyori does too (to Hibiya).
- some monologues may be happening in alternative timelines / spoken to a different character (Hibiya -> Ayano in the Daze from here appears in MCA 04) (still curious about another one exactly [I’ll get back to later]).
- Hibiya escapes The Daze / revives. [w/Focusing Eyes]
- Hibiya meets Momo.
- Otsukimi Recital: later happens.
- Hibiya drops Momo’s “oba-san” (auntie/old hag etc.) and “Aun” cheeky rudeness from him.
- Hibiya -> Momo: “Momo”. (no honorifics.)
[ Momo & Hibiya have become closer ! ? Congratulations, “Momo” & Hibiya-kun! ]
[ .... at the very, very least, he’s a bit more polite now. ]
(... there’s some other fun things in between Hibiya meeting Momo and that)
(I’ll come back to those in a later mini analysis!)
MCA Route:
- starts off very similar to Novels Route re: Hibi+Hiyo’s weirder dynamic.
- Kisaragi Attention (Episode 02) happens
- Kisaragi Attention in Music Route: Momo meeting Mekakushi Trio + Mary only.
- ‘Kisaragi Attention’ here: Momo meeting Hibiya. only
- (Momo would later meet MekaTrio+Mary in Mekakushi Code ep 03 instead.)
- Hibiya: still calling her oba-san
- Momo: let this kind onee-san show you the way! [or: I’M NOT OLD]
[ ^ this: happens only once in all forms of the canon iirc. ]
- Hibiya: NO WAY OBA-SAN --
- Momo: attracts the crowds with her Eyes.
- Momo & Hibiya: “shit”
- Momo & Hibiya: RUNS [cue Kisaragi Attention playing]
- Hibiya: gets overrun by crowds in between, escapes
- Momo: doesn’t get any chance to tell Hibiya about “THE PARK”. (... would she have?)
- Momo: doesn’t get to even meet Hiyori, only Hibiya.
- Momo: doesn’t even make it to the Department store she wanted to go to.
( more on that recurring theme later too )
- Momo: SIGHS
- everything else: happens
- (including Otsukimi Recital towards end of anime)
[ MCA 04 ] (compare: this dumb old amv I made once) [i’m sorry]
( because screencapping everything would take way too long, ok ;; )
( but it has most Daze scenes in it while trying to line them up with Wannyanpuu’s version thematic wise )
- Hibiya & Hiyori: [ inside the Daze. waking up ]
- Hibiya: /NO PHONE (IN ANY OF THEM)
- Hiyori: /has phone
- Hibiya: [ probably thinking it’s like a “dream” / “yume?” ]
- Repeat four or so Daze loops, getting progressively worse each time.
- Hiyori in between: saying things Hibiya can’t hear while smiling / crying
- Hiyori: (”i’m sorry”?) (”I love you”?) - possible
- Hibiya: [ final loop happens ]
- Hibiya: SCREW YOU CAT “Serves you right !!”
- (Cat in Novels timeline: Kano interference.) (Cat anywhere else: ???? ??)
- (Kano interference: by means of Saeru forcing him.)
- Hibiya: SWITCHES THE TIMELINES.
- Hibiya: receives the Snake of Focusing Eyes from the Daze and revives.
- everything else: happens
[ considering new Routes incoming ]
[ MCA: also Reset ? (maybe / likely ) ]
BONUS (from Kisaragi Attention, Ep 02:
( ^ listen. I am not the one writing this series. It’s doing it on its own.)
( Friendly reminder: Hibiya & Momo - closer in age than not )
( ok but seriously it’s more like
Hibiya: just entering junior high school as of Mekakucity Talkers; with conflicting age in canon [still closer to his birthday during loops [August 15th]; Hibiya’s birthday: November 4th].
Momo: just leaving/left junior high school as of MCA, but also with conflicting age. taking supplementary classes; hasn’t yet taken re-do exams.
- She SHOULD be closer to ‘15′ by this point of the timeline.
- her birthday is literally right before the Japanese school year begins.
February 14th -> April [school year begins] -> August 15th [loops / timelines] -> March [school year ends]
- MCA Kenjirou too (I realized): “if you [Momo] fail these [supplementary classes] you’ll go back to being a first year [in high school]!”
- Kenjirou / as Saeru: manipulating the entire freaking city. INCLUDING MOMO’S SCHOOL. INCLUDING MOMO (?)
- loops: happening (probably?: screwing up even more timing re: conflicting ages)
- ... friendly reminder Hibiya has another birthday only a few months after escaping loops. then he’s taking junior high school entrance exams ?. )
- Momo: still has to wait until her next birthday (February 14th) to age another year regardless.
- closer than not ?
- look I’m just saying -
- anyway look I seriously doubt Jin would intend for a serious relationship at all at this stage ok at most it’s friendship / fluff / developing
- even the anthologies imply this with older!HibiMomo comics / manga
- Wannyanpuu and Sidu (Kagepro’s official artists) have contributed to various official anthologies too
- Jin certainly approves of the materials or they wouldn’t be published
- literally .....
- my opinion aside, literally.
- this is mainly for analysis ok. i am not writing this series.
Anyway all that aside:
- MCA screencap above:
HIBIYA SWITCHED HANDS WITH MOMO TO RUN IN FRONT OF HER.
[ MANGA ROUTE QUICK RECAP: ]
Hiyori to Momo: “i’ll walk in front”
Momo to Hiyori: “wow” “it’s like you’re always protecting me .....”
“ There is no such thing as coincidence in this world, there is only Hitsuzen [the inevitable]. ”
( ^ oh hi CLAMP, Cardcaptor Sakura & Tsubasa’s Clow Reed & Yuuko Ichihara )
( JIN, WANNYANPUU, SIDU, ETC. PLANNED ALL OF THIS. )
( or at least most of this ) ( storyboarding wise )
( where even is all of this going ?! )
[ ..... ok a short MCA summary follows ]
( ^ loop 1. NO PHONE. only clock [right; top] )
(still) (”what time is it now?” - KageDaze official song lyrics, Hibiya’s POV)
( ^ oh hi swings ) (looking very ominous with Daze colors imagery.)
( friendly reminder: even if the animation was weird in many ... many parts of MCA )
( literally all of this is still storyboarded. )
( ^ waking up. loop 2 / in between loops)
( ^ NO PHONE [only clock] )
( ^ oh hi “The Park” Momo tells them about. ) [ she tells in Manga Route only that is ]
( looking ... even more extremely ominous )
( Hibiya’s awareness ... growing ..... )
( among other thematic parallels: sky, wires, birds, stop signs, blood, etc. )
( adding poles, etc. )
( birds / crows: also in Wannyanpuu’s music video [inside the clocks] )
( ^ [silently saying something] ) (^ “I’m sorry” / “I love you” ?)
(note her tears.)
( ^ red red red sky )
( ^ Hibiya waking up, frantically looking around [as if to check it was a dream])
( ^ clock ) ( but still not phone ) ( that he still wants in some Routes )
( ^ no phone ) ( Hibiya: closes door slowly. )
( ^ SWINGS / THE PARK ) ( shit )
( ^ TIMELINE SWITCH ) ( this time it’s me not you - Hibiya probably )
( ^ “SCREW YOU CAT!!!” ) I mean ( “Serves you right!” )
(lit: “look at your own failure / how much of a failure you are”
“look at your pitiful self after failing so hard” etc. [to Cat])
alternatively:
“take that!”
“look at the state of things” etc. etc.
MCA Hibiya: dead
MCA Hibiya: receives the Snake of Focusing Eyes and revives
MCA everything else: happens
Manga Route 2: happens
New Form Saeru even after like 6+ YEARS OF THIS: happens
( JIN )
[ ... also: re Honorifics and progressions of ]
( basically it’s like :
last names: can be more polite; first names without knowing: rude
last or first names used intentionally rudely: rude
last names with -san: very polite; formal; etc.
first names with -san: more polite than not with -san etc.
last names with -kun, -chan, etc.: a bit more informal, but still some politeness ?
-san in general: polite, distance; -kun, -chan, etc: more friendly/informal
-kun: often for boys (but can also be used for younger girls, such as underclassmen / etc.)
-chan: often for girls (but can also be used for younger boys, kids, as a cutesy honorific; etc.)
progression to first names, no honorifics: typically means - becoming closer; can be rude if not )
( it’s kind of hard to explain um ..... )
( if you’ve ever watched the Digimon Adventures series ? )
[ oh hi another of my main fandoms since long before Kagepro ]
( ... I don’t know how many of you have, but this is a very good example video )
( if you watch it, note how they progress from last names -> first names ! )
(literally they go through like 5-10 honorifics changes)
( also: rudeness [in between] -> familiarity/closeness )
(note: Hibiya also calls Hiyori by her first name and first name only.)
(initially: can be rude. Hibiya is often cheeky/rude. Hiyori even notes this in Manga Route - [he’s from the countryside so he doesn’t have / know manners] etc.)
(after: _____ ? ?? )
( also [Digimon spoilers below]:
the canon pairing at the end of 02 [Sorato; Yamato x Sora] also becomes canon through honorifics changing and progression all throughout the first and second series. It was a real surprise to most of the Western / American fanbase at the time because literally all of this gets lost in translation [and very bad, fully Americanized dubs]. )
People there to this day still tend to be confused by it because of things consistently lost in translation and their lack of initial interactions otherwise.
[ there are multiple honorifics issues within Kagepro in general too. ]
[ literally there’s a reason why they’re used as plot points multiple times ]
( ..... don’t say I didn’t warn you. )
