statement of joshua gillespie regarding his time in possession of an apparently empty wooden casket. statement given nov 22, 1998. audio recording by jonathan sims, head archivist of the magnus institute, london
our boy josh went to amsterdam for a few weeks with his friends after graduating (they were all in their early 20s)
he was drunk/high most of the time and acted silly even more of the time
and perhaps this is why he decided to go Out (that morning). date ? unknown. middle of may 👍👍👍
all his friends were eeping mimimi so he went out and looked around at the buildings (architecture major)
but after a few hours he got a bit lost due to he didnt have a map/navigation
however it was mid afternoon and he was kinda lost on purpose. but still he decided to find his way back. he cant speak dutch though so he spent a while going the wrong way
by the time he got back the sky was darkening a bit and he was Stressed. so he went to a cafe before going with his friends.
he was there for a while (who knows) but it was Dark Outside when he realized there was a guy at his table. who looked so ordinary joshy boy couldnt describe him. he "had an odd density to him" with short brown(?) hair (maybe the difficulty was due to drugs)
the guys name is john and he said something about "also being an englishman inside a foreign land" (which joshua remembers because its strange)
john is "from liverpool" (accentless 🤨🤨🤨) and look for a friend who he could rely on for a favor
although josh was high. this is rather suspicious behavior. nuh uh !!
but no, josh. its just looking after a package until friends can pick it up !! + he reaches into his jacket(?) and pulls out an envelope. with 10k moneys in it. (he counted)
bad idea and yet he says yes. and then john says hell be in touch and just leaves.
josh has a bit of a panic but BUT something weighs him down and stops him from chasing after john
he DID NOT spend any of his moneys. and wants to return it. but alas. it looms over him. and john does not show up for the rest of the trip.
he flies back to england and everything goes smoothly
AND THEN A YEAR LATER !! he spends some of the moneys in bournemouth (south coast of england) to move there for his Job (architects firm) (entry level job with meh pay)
rent is a tad high and he doesnt want strangers so he uses his moneys. because john hadnt any of his details. and if it was drugs like he thought 10k would be nothing to them. also he grew a beard so recognizing him would be harder
so he rents a place near the center of the town and moves in right away
a few weeks later he was making breakfast and then suddenly. doorbell. two red faced delivery men with a Large (immense) package
they asked if he was joshua gillespie (he was) and they had a delivery addressed to him and then they just went in. they werent wearing uniforms and they seemed to not be from any delivery company.
he wanted to ask questions but they placed the box and left. and they were both super tall (6'0+ tall) and "very imposing" so its not like he couldve stopped them if he wanted to
the door Slammed and he was alone with the package (2m long, 1m wide, 1m deep) sealed with packing tape + his address was on it (no return address or anything though)
he was gonna be late for work but he couldnt leave without seeing what was in the box so he went and got a knife to cut through the tape
in the box was a coffin !!! quite unexpected. he stared at the coffin in Mute Surprise.
the coffin was made of unvarnished pale yellow wood and had a thick metal chain wrapped around it. it was locked with an iron padlock (closed) (key was in the hole)
he was reaching for the key BUT !! he noticed 2 things.
2. "DO NOT OPEN" scratched into the wood (letters 3 inches tall)
he stopped reaching for the padlock and started sitting on the floor, being quite confused.
he unfolded the piece of paper. it said:
"delivered with gratitude.
and now he connected the coffin with john from amsterdam. and all these questions come to his head (is this the package) (is he looking after a corpse) (whos gonna pick it up) (when)
he called in sick and sat and stared at the coffin with no idea what to do.
then he started sniffing it. and smelled nothing. but it didnt stink (so there was either no body or it was a fresh body) (because it was early summer)
as he got up his hand brushed the coffin and it was Warm. like it was in the sun for a While. it made his flesh crawl slightly and he stopped touching it.
he went to make tea and was relieved standing next to the kettle because he couldnt see the coffin from there. and when he was done making his tea he just kept standing there. sipping his too hot tea.
when we went back into the hall (where the coffin was) it was still there and unmoving. he took the key out of the lock and put it on the table and then he grabbed the coffin by the chains and pulled it to the living room and pushed it against the wall
he then recycled the cardboard box like normal. and then he just Had a coffin.
at first he assumed it was drugs in the coffin. but also why would you store something in a coffin and then leave it with a stranger. he decided not to think about it and avoid the living room.
he stayed on the lookout for Rot smells but there was no smell.
eventually he got used to it and started using the living room again (after about a week)
at some point he even used the coffin as a table and placed his orange juice on the lid. and he didnt even realize it until he heard moving. and then there was (slow) (deliberate) scratching at the lid (under his drink) (moving the surface)
this was quite confusing to joshy woshy (the coffin had been there long enough that anything living in it shouldve died) (if there was something in it that could move why didnt it before ???)
he picked up his glass and the scratching stopped. hrmmm. he places it on the other end of the lid and a few (4) seconds later the scratching starts up again (insistently)
he took the glass away again and the scratching didnt stop for another 5 minutes (golly)
he decided to not do it again and used his powers of Ignoring.
he chose to not open it or see inside and instead to not do that. he will not look inside.
coward? maybe. but he lives soooo
he felt better about his decision a few days later. it was Raining and a saturday. he had no friends because he had a coffin in his living room (not good for a social life)
he was instead in his room reading.
the rain outside was Heavy and Big. and the coffin was singing (moaning melodiously) (dats cwazy)
he went out and stared at the coffin for a while and then went back into his room, put some headphones on, and played music to drown it out.
and it was like this for a few months (coffin scratches at stuff atop it + siiings in the raaaain)
he considered handing it off to someone else or going to the magnus institute to investigate but. instead he decided that he was scareder of john (not to be confused with jon, the archivist) (not the same guy) (just btw) than of the coffin. so he kept quiet.
joshua believes the coffin may have given him bad dreams (he doesnt remember his dreams but he kept waking up in a panic) (clutching at his throat) (unable to breathe)
he also started sleepwalking. the first time this happened, he was woken up by the cold (middle of winter) (he keeps his heat off at night)
he was standing in the living room over the coffin when he awoke with the key in his hand (golly !!) this worried him so he went to the doctor + got a referral to the sleep clinic at the hopital but he didnt have the problems at the hopital
he started hiding the key in harder to reach spots but he kept waking up with the key in his hand. one day he woke up and had the key literally in the lock and almost opened it.
so what does he do? he puts the key in a bowl of water and freezes it. sometimes he still woke up to himself trying to get the key, but he always woke up before anything happened due to it was cold
for like 18 months hes just kinda used to this. when suddenly it rains and then the coffin doesnt start singing (:0)
he went to go check on it and yeah. it was not Singing. and then theres a knock at the door (light) (unobtrusive) (rang out like thunder in the quiet flat)
john + the delivery men stood there. and they were surprised to see joshua although he wasnt surprised to see them. he asked if they were there for the coffin (they were)
john says he hoped it hadnt been too much trouble. josh "tells him where to stick it".
john is Impressed when josh goes to the freezer and gets the key. he was so excited to get rid of it that he just drops the ice on the floor and told them the coffin was in the living room. he does not want to see what they do with it or if they open it. and when someone starts screaming. he does not want to know who it is or why. he leaves when the delivery men carry the coffin away.
he follows them downstairs and watches them lock it away into the van (labelled "breekon and hope deliveries") (then they drove away) (there was no sign of john)
and that was the last he ever heard of it. he moved to london with a new job after. and now he just tries not to think about it.
"its always nice to hear that my home town is not entirely devoid of odd occurrences and eerie stories. ice cream, beaches, and boredom are all very well, but im glad to hear bournemouth has at least a few apparitions to call its own." he has drugs + no witnesses as a theme so clearly this statement isnt true. also the institute didnt find any supporting evidence whatsoever + jon thinks its a waste of time now (almost 20 years later)
he did mention it to tim though, who did some digging anyways. breekon and hope existed + were a courier service until 09 when they went into liquidation. but they were based in nottingham (very north of bournemouth) (no records of deliveries available)
the owners of the building that the apartment joshua gillespie listed as the site of events keep extensive records that go back 40ish years. and from what tim could find, for the 2 years that joshua lived there, he was the only person who was there and the other 7 apartments were empty. nobody moved in after he left and the building was sold + demolished soon after the statement was given.
nobody who worked for the housing association in the 90s is still there. and although he tried, tim could not get an explanation for Why joshua gillespie lived entirely alone in that quite large building.
THIS IS MY FAV EPISODE THAT I HEARD WHEN I LISTENED TO THE FEW THAT I DID !!!!!!!!
this clears up my confusion a lot and this was written so well????? you make things our very clearly in the way the actual podcast did not do for me, so thank you for your service <3
i love this whole story so much and how it just is a complete mystery. i hope it's somehow revisited or something. or more information is ever gathered. or something. because something about this story is fucking delicious to me and i'd love to know of more in the same vein or maybe even theories upon this one if no other information was ever given about it in canon tma. OUGHHHH!!!!!!
how did josh just Live Like This btw. i would've lost my mind. how did he just Ignore it all when THAT'S what is happening in your small space of a flat....... hats off to him i guess. he's a stronger man than me
also many apologies for getting to this so goddamn late... i promise i always will get back to them, it may just take me a while due to mental illness stuff and etc. i hope you understand sjksjsk i'm trying my best and i appreciate your time into these a lot. i love them, so thank you for sharing :] hearing these are so fun!!